Very weird and i read this sometimes , i have taken alot of pregalabine and never felt any wd symptoms from it nor even rebounds . Then i read people struggling coming off of 900mg lyrica after a year . I just don't understand why anyone would take 900mg for a year . Since any recreational effect diminishes after 2 uses ... Is this for legit pain or something ?
Is opiod addiction the worst addiction?
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I doubt benzo's are a "little less likely " to cause addiction compared to heroïne . If everyone in the word would have unimited acces to benzo's or heroïne i am pretty sure heroïne is alot worse .
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Everyone has a substance that suits him/her/it/zer/ihr/dir/mir... the best. Drug of choice as we call it. For many people cocaine can be too much anxiety provoking but they try kratom and become insanely addicted. But removing all those "from person to person differences" the substances that have main mode of action by activating GABA are the hardest and most dangerous to stop. Alcohol, benzodiazepines, barbiturates...they will not just rake you to a world of unimaginable pain but will kill you via induced seizures. This class off drugs are antisiezure drugs that are used to treat epilepsy and because GABA is bodys main inhibitory system/neurotransmitter/neuromodulator/"inhibitor of action potential"... when one stops abusing them the body goes into overdrive on every level.
But if you would ask me I would answer this:
But if you would ask me I would answer this:
Gaba withdrawals for sure are the worse .
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I take 300 mg every night. Or at least, I did. I’m coming off it in order to get pregnant and it is very difficult. Pregabalin isn’t recreational for me, as I was using it for the treatment of fibromyalgia. If you use it every day, it’s not recreational anymore due to tolerance. Also, 900 mg is pointless as the good effects plateau at 600 mg
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It's you who have assumed that addiction only means addictive potential of the substance.
Just let it go already.
Yeah but it takes alot longer to get withdrawals from lyrica then benzo's in my experience with it.
No dude its you that constantly talks about how horrible the "withdrawal" from benzo's is and that benzo's is per definition the worse addiction. I mean dependancy from a drug happens because of psychogical addiction , if it wasnt psychological addictive no one would get dependant . But as a matter of fact benzo's are actually one of the only meds/drug where people can get dependant without being psychological addicted to it , like staying to long on them on accident or doctors keep prescribing them ,specially in the USA .
Actually addiction and dependancy are 2 different things if you look at it . You can become dependant on anti depressants and what not without them being addictive .
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Do you mean “takes a lot longer” in terms of how many months/years you need to be consistently using before you get WDs, or the space of time between stopping use and getting WDs is longer than with other substances?
Yeah with consistently using i mean , how fast you get withdrawals with daily use . I don't rlly understand the latter of your text , isnt this the same ?
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Yeah, it's like i said. You have done some internal verbal trickery and decided that because opioids are more addictive, opioid addiction must be the worst addiction. However, this is not true in reality. Both cognitive impairment and withdrawal effects are important factors in the problems of addiction. Other people have chosen to focus more on those factors. It's not straight up wrong just because it's just not exactly the same as what you're thinking. That's why you're struggling to find any reasonable arguments to support your sentiment. It's unnecessarily limiting and not much else.
Think about it. A super addictive but completely harmless drug - is that really the "worst addiction" just because it's most addictive?
All this being said, you haven't even substantiated your myopically irrelevant claim that opioids are significantly more addictive than benzos/GABA drugs.
xtcgrrrl
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No. The former is about the length of USE, the latter about the time of NONUSE.
Well first of all what is the worst addiction is rlly up to the user and there brain chemistry . A Alcoholic is never going to do heroïne . Also i don't understand what you mean with verbal trickery kinda seems like your projecting yourself. You know how many people die from opioide overdosis ? I don't see that with benzo's since its practically impossible to od on benzo's alone . So what is the worse addiction again? Also i have been in addiction centers/detox and benzo's are far far lower .. like i said again if the majority had Unlimited benzo's or Unlimited heroïne what is going to be more problematic ?
No freaking way it will be benzo's like what the hell
. Many people complain about benzo's are the worst are always speaking about the withdrawal part just like you do again over and over . Same people that somehow didnt know benzo's where so bad to withdrawal from like Jordan Peterson . If u use benzo's as prescribed and never abuse them they ain't so bad at all .We have known for very long gaba withdrawals are dangerous .
I mean are all my points invalid just like you say its not straight up wrong right ? Sorry i don't want to try to be a douchbag or anything but i believe i do come with some valid points ...
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Well first of all what is the worst addiction is rlly up to the user and there brain chemistry . A Alcoholic is never going to do heroïne . Also i don't understand what you mean with verbal trickery kinda seems like your projecting yourself. You know how many people die from opioide overdosis ? I don't see that with benzo's since its practically impossible to od on benzo's alone . So what is the worse addiction again? Also i have been in addiction centers/detox and benzo's are far far lower .. like i said again if the majority had Unlimited benzo's or Unlimited heroïne what is going to be more problematic ?
No freaking way it will be benzo's like what the hell
We have known for very long gaba withdrawals are dangerous .
But opioid OD kills primarily because it's illicit street stuff, right? Not because of the drug itself. Dosing opioids isn't a mystery in itself. But you're right the acute lethality is a factor in the comparison.
I believe opioids are also quite safe if used "as prescribed".
No way, your posts are not entirely invalid at all. Your opinion is as valid as anyone's. The problem for me is that you invalidate other opinions and arguments with such determination. If you examine the posts from the other camp, you will find that they don't have the same cock-sure presentation as yours. They just state their own opinion without categorically invalidating the other based on unclear and limited reasoning. That's where the problem arises. Nothing wrong with your opinion and experiences. Sorry if i came across that way
The thing is i have never invalidate benzo withdrawal i know withdrawal of benzo's is practically voted n1 and i am grateful i have never experienced it . Ok maybe i should Have not said that its BS in my first post but i was a little intoxicated and needed a nice discussion so sorry about that . And yes i totally agree opioides can be safely prescribed but the same goes for benzo's . Isnt it true in the USA they hand them out like candy ? Here in Holland a doctor would never prescribe a benzo for longer then 2 weeks , alot of benzo problems come from this or is this false ?But opioid OD kills primarily because it's illicit street stuff, right? Not because of the drug itself. Dosing opioids isn't a mystery in itself. But you're right the acute lethality is a factor in the comparison.
I believe opioids are also quite safe if used "as prescribed".
No way, your posts are not entirely invalid at all. Your opinion is as valid as anyone's. The problem for me is that you invalidate other opinions and arguments with such determination. If you examine the posts from the other camp, you will find that they don't have the same cock-sure presentation as yours. They just state their own opinion without categorically invalidating the other based on unclear and limited reasoning. That's where the problem arises. Nothing wrong with your opinion and experiences. Sorry if i came across that way
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Barbiturates are easily the worst. Low theraputic index, highly addictive and a withdrawal that can kill you (not just make you wish you were dead).
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I've tried Seconal once - I'm a peaceful kind of a guy but me and another guy who had also imbibed were hanging around outside a pub trying to start a fight! Even the hard cases saw the look in our eyes and realised that we intended to play for keeps.
That and nitrazepam are the only 2 drugs that have ever made me... angry.
I WOULD like to try echlorvynol and glutethimide,.
When I was struggling with alcohol (1.5L of gin a day for a year), I found an on-line place that would sell clomethiazole without a prescription. I bought 84 of them and in 2 weeks dropped from 12 a day to nothing. It saved my life. It's VERY dangerous but it doesn't make you mean like barbiturates.
That and nitrazepam are the only 2 drugs that have ever made me... angry.
I WOULD like to try echlorvynol and glutethimide,.
When I was struggling with alcohol (1.5L of gin a day for a year), I found an on-line place that would sell clomethiazole without a prescription. I bought 84 of them and in 2 weeks dropped from 12 a day to nothing. It saved my life. It's VERY dangerous but it doesn't make you mean like barbiturates.
Always wondered what barbs felt like, even wiki psychonaut states Barbes are much more addictive then benzo's .