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Is opiod addiction the worst addiction?

Kizaru said:
But can you state facts that benzo's are more addictive then opioides ? It isnt about the "withdrawal" only ,there are a billion other reasons why something is addictive . I feel benzo's are notoriously high rated because of the worst withdrawal scenario and not so much the psychological addiction . You just speak out of your own personal opinion on what withdrawal sucked more and not so much about the addiction in total .
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bro I was simply replying to you saying that people in this thread are not commenting "BS", as you put it. You honestly lost me and seem to be trying to argue many different points at once. IN the end, it still truly is purely anecdote and highly subjective. There is no definitive study to answer the OP, hence the Bluelight post to collect opinion.
 
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mdaniel80 said:
bro I was simply replying to you saying that people in this thread are commenting "BS", as you put it. You honestly lost me and seem to be trying to argue many different points at once. IN the end, it still truly is purely anecdote and highly subjective. There is no definitive study to answer the OP. hence a Bluelight post o collect opinion.
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mdaniel80 said:
bro I was simply replying to you saying that people in this thread are commenting "BS", as you put it. You honestly lost me and seem to be trying to argue many different points at once. IN the end, it still truly is purely anecdote and highly subjective. There is no definitive study to answer the OP, hence the Bluelight post to collect opinion.
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Ok man , i just thought it was about addiction and not just battle of the withdrawals .
 
Kizaru said:
I don't agree everyone saying benzo's is worst . Thats bs for sure , opioides are far more psychological addictive then benzo's will ever be .
Benzo's Arent even euphoric or anything its just the physical addiction that can be worse .
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Its not "BS for sure". Maybe for YOU
 
honestly, I think it's more of a pick-your-poison thing. I've never tried meth, and never wanted to, but I can see meth, heroin, codones, codeine, amphetamine, crack, etc. being all equally addictive. they are all incredibly strong mood-altering substances that are highly addictive and can easily take your life away from you in many ways. (not saying that amphetamine alone can do that, but it can be a gateway drug to methamphetamine which is known to ruin lives.)
 
mdaniel80 said:
Its not "BS for sure". Maybe for YOU
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This thread was about are opioides the worst addiction . You can't just say benzo's are worse because they have a more difficult withdrawal profile . There is more to addiction then just ranking benzo's at the top because they have the most horrible withdrawal . That was just my point nothing more .
 
mdaniel80 said:
Its not "BS for sure". Maybe for YOU
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Just like my ghb addiction , ghb is far more forgivable then benzo's withdrawal wise . Still g is alot more problematic for me cause its far more psychological addictive . Many people get benzo's prescribed without actually getting psychological addictive but stay to long on them and have the worse withdrawal .
 
your average druggie said:
honestly, I think it's more of a pick-your-poison thing. I've never tried meth, and never wanted to, but I can see meth, heroin, codones, codeine, amphetamine, crack, etc. being all equally addictive. they are all incredibly strong mood-altering substances that are highly addictive and can easily take your life away from you in many ways. (not saying that amphetamine alone can do that, but it can be a gateway drug to methamphetamine which is known to ruin lives.)
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Yes all these things are ALOT more mood altering then a normal range dose of benzo's . Still benzo's get selected rank 1 because of bad withdrawal . ..
 
Byzek said:
Science ... just google drugs harm chart.
Heroin is on top if that.

Alkohol is nothing lol.
Like the whole world is consuming alcohol.
Interesting how it would be if everybody would smoke crack.
And then tell me whats worse drinking a beer a day or smoking a crack pipe a day.
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I don't think the comment was referring to people that only drink one beer a day... alcohol (and benzos) are the only two withdrawals that can actually kill you. Opiate withdrawal just makes you wish for death. Alcohol is nasty shit. So is heroin though too.
 
I've never suffered from alcohol addiction and physical dependence, so I can't speak to that one, though I'm sure it's one of the worst, if not the worst.
I have went through opioid addiction before. Once was oxycodone at around 120mg-150mg per day. I took benzos everyday with my oxy. From that experience, opioid addiction was very horrible for me personally. That being said, I have also suffered from multiple cases of Benzodiazepine addiction. Two notable times especially... One of them I was on 80mg-120mg Valium per day. The other time it was 5mg or so of Xanax + 8mg or so of Klonopin PER DAY. Now I must say confidentially that both of those experiences with Benzodiazepine addiction were worse than my experience with opioid addiction (oxy oral). That's not to say the oxy addiction wasn't bad... trust me it was insanely horrible for me.
But those two separate benzo runs were life-shattering, existential-dread, paranoia, felt like my spirit was disintegrating type of shit EVERYDAY for MONTHS ON END. The PAWS was horrendous. Severe dissociation EVERY SINGLE MORNING for about an hour. The rest of the day was pure anhedonia paired with severely dysfunctional anxiety. Had to go to a medical rehab to detox/taper each time, in fact, I did for the oxy addiction too.
Believe it or not, though, just going off my gut, I think I'd choose to go through either of those again anyday as opposed to having to go through severe Alcohol addiction and withdrawal/detox.
 
Chloralhydro said:
I've never suffered from alcohol addiction and physical dependence, so I can't speak to that one, though I'm sure it's one of the worst, if not the worst.
I have went through opioid addiction before. Once was oxycodone at around 120mg-150mg per day. I took benzos everyday with my oxy. From that experience, opioid addiction was very horrible for me personally. That being said, I have also suffered from multiple cases of Benzodiazepine addiction. Two notable times especially... One of them I was on 80mg-120mg Valium per day. The other time it was 5mg or so of Xanax + 8mg or so of Klonopin PER DAY. Now I must say confidentially that both of those experiences with Benzodiazepine addiction were worse than my experience with opioid addiction (oxy oral). That's not to say the oxy addiction wasn't bad... trust me it was insanely horrible for me.
But those two separate benzo runs were life-shattering, existential-dread, paranoia, felt like my spirit was disintegrating type of shit EVERYDAY for MONTHS ON END. The PAWS was horrendous. Severe dissociation EVERY SINGLE MORNING for about an hour. The rest of the day was pure anhedonia paired with severely dysfunctional anxiety. Had to go to a medical rehab to detox/taper each time, in fact, I did for the oxy addiction too.
Believe it or not, though, just going off my gut, I think I'd choose to go through either of those again anyday as opposed to having to go through severe Alcohol addiction and withdrawal/detox.
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Ive been a heavy drinker before but never to the point were I needed medical detox. Thats someone who drinks 24/7 for several days in a row to the point where there body chemistry changes and they physically need alcohol just like if you take oxy for too many days in a row you develop a physical need for them. But with alcohol, and I bereave this is because it slows down your CNS hence it being a downer, that once you stop drinking your CNS is in over drive saw with benzo and this is what causes the deadly side of cold turkey..... cause as your CNS starts firing uo again to normal rates you could have random seizers.... which is what can kill you.... I would like to nknow the actual biomechnism that causes this.

Where as oxy is just your body not having all the fun chemical being abnorbly being released, hence low dopamine causing your body to withdraw but not effecting your CNS as much as alcohol or benzo's....correct me if I am giving misinformation but this is what I was taught/believe.
 
4meSM said:
I'd say being heavily addicted to gabaergics is probably worse, especially alcohol. Although being addicted to heroin or other illegal opioids definitely has a worse social stigma.
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Pregabalin is suuuuuper hard to quit. Take it from someone who knows.

Edited to add: but benzo WD was sheer, unceasing hell on earth. For MONTHS. Opiate WD was a piece of cake in comparison
 
paranoid android said:
Not even close. Hands down the worst ive seeen is alcoholics. Im talking about actual alcoholics who need to drink in order to survive. Like my uncle who once drank aqaua velva aftershave because there was no booze left. unlike opiate adddiction you really dont get any joys from it. Opiate addiction is relatively easy to handle as it only even really becomes a problem when you run out. i came off 150mg's of morphine cold turkey in the psych ward along with 6mg's of clonazepam i cold turkeyed from. i was so fucked from wd i dont know which was worse the benzo or opiate wd. opiatye wd sucks but its not the end of the world. Unlike wd from alcohol which can actually kill you

I actually found coke to be way more psychologically addictive then opiates. Fucking coke dreams and everything
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OMG the coke dreams, yes! When I went to rehab I didn't even miss the dope but craved smoking crack for months and had using dreams every night. In every dream I'd smoke but not get high it was terrible...
 
jane douloureux said:
I used to think meth was the worst addiction, bc of it destroys the body the worst, but its been edged out by fentanyl now because fentanyl needs to be done so often and and also destroys the body
alcoholism is also up there as it makes the user unbeatable to be around and destroys the body
benzos I would put pretty low down on the list actually
im addicted to benzos and the withdrawal scares me but they don‘t interfere with my day to day life, no one could ever tell I’m addicted to them, and I have no plans on facing that withdrawal If I ever do decide to get off of them I will do a taper that lasts years

1. fentanyl
2. meth
3. Alcohol
4. heroin (actual heroin)
5. oxy,pain pills in general


addiction: being in active addiction with all the things that come with it are radically different then what the withdrawal
profile looks like
alcohol, opioids and benzos are all unpleasant to withdraw from but they are radically different to be addicted to
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meth was def the worst addiction for me. It fucked my life and the lives of my loved ones more than anything. Within 3 days of use I dropped out of culinary school and got robbed. This was my 2nd go around. During the first binge I lost my kid for 6 months. Nothing else put me in a hole like that.
 
Kizaru said:
So the average person is more likely to get addicted to diazepam or any benzo then lets say oxycodone . Wanna bet ?
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The thread title says "worst addiction" so you may wanna chill before you personally decide that it says "most addictive" and have an unnecessary conflict about that.

Benzos may be a little less likely to cause addiction but their effect on behavior and risk profile in withdrawals are way worse.
 
ztevoka said:
OMG the coke dreams, yes! When I went to rehab I didn't even miss the dope but craved smoking crack for months and had using dreams every night. In every dream I'd smoke but not get high it was terrible...
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Ya in my dreams i keep dreaming that im about tready to take a shot of coke and i wake up
 
Mjäll said:
The thread title says "worst addiction" so you may wanna chill before you personally decide that it says "most addictive" and have an unnecessary conflict about that.

Benzos may be a little less likely to cause addiction but their effect on behavior and risk profile in withdrawals are way worse.
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Yes the title says worse addiction , does addiction only means withdrawal ? Like what the hell ...
 
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