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Comedowns, Serotonin Syndrome and MDMA abuse (plus problems after use)

Thanks for the welcome and thank you for the advice!

You are indeed correct, I have started to realise my usage is obscene and it's probably time to cut back.
Hell, if I'm not going to heed the advice of the more experienced on this site then why did I join? Your advice was not harsh but true and I appreciate it greatly.
I'll cut down to the recommended once a month (unless anyone thinks this is a bad idea also) and if need be explore 'other' alternatives.
 
cyberius said:
Stop taking MDMA. The comedowns almost Never get better, only worse. This isn't nearly as bad as whats to come if you keep frying your already damaged receptors.

Time will heal everything but after each roll this time can get exponentially longer
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Completely agree with cyberius. Long term use of X can cause ongoing verbal and visual memory impairments--scary stuff.
Take twice as good care of your body for while. Excersise, good nutrition, juicing is a miracle worker, Omega 3 fatty acids, probiotics,...did I miss anything??
 
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it has happened to me like on the come up. like i will just be exhausted and kinda feel crappy and down. then all the sudden, blast off.

do you feel like that the whole time? or does it go away?
 
did I get serotonin syndrome?

I was wondering if what happened to me might be possible serotonin syndrome and was wondering if anyone had any thoughts on it.

I am on 45mg of Mirtazapine nightly and 150mg of venlafaxine every morning, I've been on mirtazapine a few months now but as my depression seems pretty resistant they added the venlafaxine a few weeks ago.

I am also an occasional MDMA user, when I was just on the mirtazapine I would delay my evening dose until I was coming down and sleep it off, had no problems feeling the high that way. So when my friend invited me out to this house party over the weekend and mentioned there would be some MDMA about I decided to skip both the venlafaxne and mirtazapine dose the day before.

The night of the party I get there and have a few drinks, feeling good and then the mandy comes out, I do two quite small lines within about an hour of each other, I start to feel the high and get a little roll on but then I start to feel quite agitated, I wanted to be outside I was hot and sweaty, badly needed air not 10 minutes later I start to feel really, really sick. My friend finds me passed out with my head on the toilet seat. They try to wake me up and give me some water I can talk but have no muscle control can barely lift my head I start dry heaving like I am desperately trying to be sick but nothing is coming up (major TMI moment) I start to feel like its going to come out the other end, my friend had to stand me up and sit me on the toilet like a child I really couldn't do anything at all for myself, it starts coming out both ends I have a bowl in my lap, snot everywhere but I am too weak to blow my own nose!

I kept semi passing out, going limp, sweating and shaking. They put me in a cold shower and had someone stay with me keeping me awake until the worst of it was over, which was about 2-3 hours.

My friends were seriously considering calling an ambulance for me but every time I woke up I begged them not to send me to hospital, I think I am very lucky to be alive, I honestly thought I was going to die.

2 days later I have pretty much slept it off, I am cautiously taking my meds, still have a very upset tummy. Nothing like that has ever happened to me before and I am so worried it will happen again.

Is this serotonin syndrome? and do I need to tell my doctor? Or can I just make sure it doesn't happen again?

Thanks for reading.
 
Help needed - bizarre bizarre experience.

Okay so any explanation as to why the following happened to me would be much appreciated as I am seriously confused.

Following took place over about a 12 hour period.

[*TL;DR* as its long: alcohol plus Coke then MDMA. MDMA essentially didn't kick in untill 4 and a half hours later when I smoked a joint, seeming as if the weed created the come up. Why is this?]

Full story...

Started at 7:30 PM: moderate alcohol consumption between 7:30 and 10:30 PM. Enough to create slight buzz.

10:50 pm: one medium line of average quality Coke. Not much effect felt.
11:40 pm: one small line of same Coke. Again not much noticeable effects.

12:45 left party to go clubbing. Decided to take MDMA. Didn't want to take too much due to cocaine so at about 12:55 bombed about 0.2g of good ish quality MDMA (at least I'm fairly sure it was MDMA rather than some variant such as MDA).

Proceeded to go clubbing. At about 1:40 started to feel very very slight effects like gurning and leg wobbles but no euphoria, no real come up (bear in mind last time I dropped was about a two and a half months ago so tolerance shouldn't be an issue). Essentially I didn't really feel anything, to be honest felt pretty shattered. Left club at 3:45 ish. Got home at 4:20 ish.

4:30 am: I shared a hash joint (small one not King sized) with my friend (who had taken the exact same amount and same batch drugs as me the whole night.)

4:45 am: had finished joint and was sitting on bed. Friend was feeling bit baked and tired, nothing out of ordinary, wanted to go to bed. This is when it started to get weird. I was feeling very strange, huge body high, intensely intensely comfortable and a bit of a rush on. Proceeded to leave my friend to sleep and went into my own room at maybe 5:15

5:20 am: started to essentially come up. Mouth dry, gurning fairly heavily, kind of classic MDMA symptoms except not much like head high (perhaps due to weed). Lay down and felt pretty incredible, every movement was very pleasurable. Rode out the roll for about an hour maybe a bit less.

6:15 am: turned over onto side and proceeded to attempt to sleep. Very steadily I basically started to hallucinate. The wallpaper on my wall had gold scribbles on it and they were like melting and making patterns, becoming 3D and like coming out towards me. Same with the ceiling, which looked a bit like a Tetris game floating down. I also was seeing white figures walking around my room (very unthreateningly) a bit like ghosts. Essentially anything I looked at / focused on morphed into something weird. I saw red dots swirling around too in a kind of mirage type effect. If I closed my eyes I saw full on colourful hero metric patterns that would remain when opened my eyes then slowly fade away. Was very pleasant but as you can imagine I was incredibly weirded out.

Went to bed at around 8am.

Please someone explain why this all happened (why I came up so late - around 4 hours after dropping). I can understand why the Coke would have delayed the come up but I think it's more than a coincidence that I felt nothing all night untill I smoked weed?? I haven't ever heard of an instance when weed makes the MD kick in or anything so I'm finding it difficult to find an explanation as to what happens lol.

Any elucidation again would be appreciated!
 
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Yes, that is probably serotonin syndrome caused by a drug interaction. How are you feeling now? This is Definitely something you should share with your doctors.

If this happens again please don't ride it out, serotonin syndrome is a very intense and painful condition that can kill you. Don't mix MDMA and psychiatric drugs ever again, the effects can be nulified or amplified.
 
Its hard to explain how SSRIs actually work when administered for a couple of weeks but suffice it to say that the mechanism that normally protects you against serotonin syndrome (called auto receptors) were not doing so hot because you had been on anti depressants, while normally SSRIs block the effects of MDMA you probably stopped taking it just long enough for it to stop blocking the effects.

So yes I would say this was a case of mild serotonin syndrome. I would also say that MDMA is counter productive to your medication regimen, aside from being very dangerous.
 
^^ haha indeed - just post your question in the most relevant thread (which will generally be this one).

I was wondering why it said I'd posted in this thread before when I knew I hadn't lol

TachyonT said:
Thanks for the welcome and thank you for the advice!

You are indeed correct, I have started to realise my usage is obscene and it's probably time to cut back.
Hell, if I'm not going to heed the advice of the more experienced on this site then why did I join? Your advice was not harsh but true and I appreciate it greatly.
I'll cut down to the recommended once a month (unless anyone thinks this is a bad idea also) and if need be explore 'other' alternatives.
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Personally I've felt the effects of excessive use after much less abuse - 3 nights out with only 2 weeks between each night. Felt like shit after the third. Wasn't worth it imo.

Honestly I'd recommend taking a bit longer of a break initially, then going to the 'once every 1-2 months' rule, at the least. I know it's hard because goddamn MDMA makes going out clubbing so much better....but is the risk worth it in the long run? I don't particularly enjoy going out without rolling, so rather than ruining myself I just convinced myself to only head out every couple of months. I don't drink personally, so that may be an option for you in place of MDMA while you wait out the month break between use. I won't recommend anything else as simply I don't have much experience with anything else and we don't like giving that kind of advice anyway haha...but if you NEED to go out, I recommend doing some more research into viable alternatives that won't do harm or hinder the 'recovery' and tolerance between MDMA use.
 
Questions regarding my MDMA use.

Hi! Im new here but im a loong time lurker :)

just wanted to say ive tried mdxx 4 times with great success, last time was yesterday. All of the three last times ive experienced afterglows lasting WEEKS, except yesterday(today). I started in early sept. And have spaced out the usage with 1-2 months. The last three times ive done it once a month (breaking my own rule of three months).

when i woke up today i felt completely fine, just had a blurred vision in like twenty seconds imediately when i woke up, but it went away quick. I have no depression or anxiety, just a little bed bound. I excercised a few hours ago and i feel okay honestly.

But what i really want to know is if im really pushing it? Im a little concerned that i got no afterglow, as it is the big thing for me with this rolling thing i started. My friends never get it and i feel very lucky to get these afterglows that last so long. Is the blurred vision that lasted 20 sec a sign that i should quit this forever or space it out more? And since i have no afterglow anymore, does it mean next time it will take a sudden shift an become a comedown? The comedown talk frightens me, as i cant seem to wrap my head around hownthe best night of your life suddenly becomes hell the next few days?? I mean dont get me wrong i dont want to learn the hard way lol, im just genuinly curious.

Aand im also a little bit concerned that i feel a little bit of memory loss. The last 3 times ive been able to remember almost every detail of the night, while yesterday its small gaps in the memory. Like i know i rolled balls and had an amazing time, but i have to really think through everything that happend yesterday like im missing something. I feel like my last roll yesterday was perfect and in e perfect setting so everything went all right, but this feeling of that im missing out of something is a liiitlle bit frustarting, because mdma have been so usefull and i feel like inget the most out of it everytime but yesterday wasnt the same. I dont "remember" the body gasms but i remember and know thatninhad them lol. Its like the previous rolls I couldmjust lay back and think about the good feelings and actuslly feel them while stone cold sober(this is the afterglow for me) but now i cant recall those feelings 100%. Maybe its the dosing, ive never taken more an one and a half pill. And the pills here in northern europe is strong as fuck. A month ago i took half a pill then redosed with a half more, yesterday i took a whole one and redosed with s half.

Next thing i want to say is that im very glad that i can find so much info on BB(and the internet generelly) because without you guys or the famous recovery thread im convinced i would end up in one of those threads eventually. Ive never taken mdma more than once a month or 2 by the way.

is these 'off' feelings a way to tell my body that i should respect this sick drug even more? I got mad respect for mdma and all drugs as they can be the best and the worst, and the line seems to be veeery thin. Im petrefied, and i mean PETREFIED by abusing mdma(that fucking recovery thread dont play, shits real lol) and im planning to do it again in a lower dose in march/april. Does this sound responsible??? Thank you so much if you have read all this (mind you my mother tounge is not english im from northern europe)
 
I think I would definitely take the original creator of MDMA's advice and use MDMA max 3-4 times per year, and make sure you're taking vitamin E the days leading up to the roll and vitamin C during the roll.
 
Yeah i forgot to tell my diet is very good and consist of clean food and whole grains and a shitload of vitamines everyday, as i am a bodybuilder. Never drink suagry drinks only water and juice once in the blue. Always eat a handfull of blueberrys everday for example.

And yeah i will stop this once a month thing as it seems that it will in the long run(doesnt even have to be long i guess) catch up to me
 
You won't just suddenly have a comedown for a high or a bad comedown on it's own, though if you are not active in your experiments than you will come to strange conclusions that seem so real. Don't take my word on it but lowering the dose will just mimic the effects of a high dose after many many uses.

As to one of your issues you say you don't feel right after generally, I might be able to suggest becoming more active in your experiments, maybe do it the way you like and not leisurely.
 
I wouldn't worry about it. Your going to cause yourself more stress. You've seen a dr., specialist and an mri. Everything seems good. It could simply be age. I noticed similar issues with my eyes and night driving, halos it's just part of aging. You can purchase yellow lenses to cut down on glare.
 
trozzle said:
^^ haha indeed - just post your question in the most relevant thread (which will generally be this one).

I was wondering why it said I'd posted in this thread before when I knew I hadn't lol
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Haha, yeah, I'm being forced to work and organize here. The messiness of this board is insane.

ATTN: (again) Bring your general questions regarding problems with MDMA after usage (as well as the three topics noted in the thread title) in this thread! This has already covered 80% of threads on the first page alone! Do NOT try to skirt around it, especially on purpose. They will be automatically closed, merged or deleted because none of us staff members are naive and are aware of the possibilities of why this is being done. As I said, it makes it easier for everyone, especially those looking for this kind of information to make this information centralized and not splattered all over the place. I am going to check individual threads to see if the information in those threads can be found by using the search engine, and if so, I will simply make a note of it in the back of mind for now. It will be easy for me to remember that and remember which posters are simply ignoring these requests. This is for the good of everyone, especially those looking for real help, and to somewhat reign in the "teehee, trolling time" folks. This isn't what BL is for.

Edit: If you want to troll around, go to Reddit, 4chan or other boards (eg. I heard there are some on the dw where people go nuts). Even for myself, I post on Reddit here and there (but I'm not telling anyone what my sn is, so that I'm freakin' not followed there either). Seriously, plz troll the other boards and don't be a tail, especially if you don't even like me. Don't be backwards because it makes you look bad.
 
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I have a bump on my head from where I passed out, headaches and a very upset tummy still but nothing like it was, my doctor doesn't know I am a recreational user and I am very worried about the consequences of them finding out.

I have learned my lesson and won't be taking MDMA again.
 
Colourful_Soup said:
I have had the exact same thing for about 8 months now with nothing getting any better, have you found any solution, have you gotten any better
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Yeah as I said I woke up from a shitty sleep (4 hours or something) and my vision was blurry in 20 seconds then everything was normal. My question was is this a way the mdma is telling me to stop doing it once a month? I know the answear and im not going to do it in a couple of months, but it was strange the blurred vision. And no afterglow i was just bed bound the whole day. Im completely fine I was just curious why this happend and no more afterglows, like a comedown is the next thing im gonna experience if I do it (have never had a comedown from mdma, not this anxiety depression every one is talking about.
 
I think what i describe in the OP can be done as long as the doses are kept very low...perhaps frustratingly low.
 
red22 said:
I think what i describe in the OP can be done as long as the doses are kept very low...perhaps frustratingly low.
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You are not correct in this my friend and everyone here is trying to help you telling you it's not a good idea. But hey, it's your brain.
 
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