Opioids Tianeptine Megathread v1

[deruyityn]

I don't mean to nit pick, but a substance cannot be "compulsive".

A person or an action can be compulsive, but Kratom itself cannot be "compulsive".

Did that really contribute much to the thread? It what clear what I meant. You sound like the grammer nazis corrcting your and you're. :D

 

[deruyityn]

Well yes that is pretty much how I use kratom. Though I wouldnt want to use either every day since I dont like the idea of something being in my system 24/7. So like i say I would plan on a day on a couple off etc.

Well my main question is how tempting it would be to want to take more 'just to see' what its like. For kratom I didnt have the urge because more made me feel worse but I am not sure how well I will regulate something that I KNEW felt better at higher doses. Ive never been an abuser of substances really always erring on the side of caution but still its the unknown factor.

the therapeutic dose is 12.5mg, 3x a day. for tianeptine sodium

it would be worth doing a cycle of doing that for a month, then taking a month or two off.

it doesn't 'blast' you outta depression, but it is a useful aid or tool.

if your using it at the right dosage, you wont have withdrawal symptoms, and you wont have an opiate high. but tolerance will build after a few weeks, which is why its worth having breaks.

 

[Mysterie]

I was curious and took 150mg once, it wasn't hedonistic at all to me.

There's no more positives than taking the recommended dose. I wouldn't worry about getting risky with tia if you can hold shit down with Kratom. I found Kratom to have many more recreational qualities than I saw in tia.

 

[crunkazcanbe]

I was curious and took 150mg once, it wasn't hedonistic at all to me.

There's no more positives than taking the recommended dose. I wouldn't worry about getting risky with tia if you can hold shit down with Kratom. I found Kratom to have many more recreational qualities than I saw in tia.

Again take 500+mg and tell me this again . It blows even UEI kratom away ,and many low to mid range opiates ,but it has a very bad WD worse then any opiate I have ever had . Even worse then a Fent analog I have been taking for a few months now .

 

[pinpoint]

Pinpoint, what was your tolerance like prior to using it and at what dosage did you feel opioid action?

What does it feel like? Is it a warm classic opiate feel like morphine or more tramadol-ish?

I was an ounce a day plain leaf kratom user at the time. Dosage was 200mg to 400mg a whack.

I recall that it had all the classic symptoms like itching, constipation, constricted pupils, etc. Take the length and intensity of an oxycodone high and condense it into 45 minutes. For me that was the tianpetine feel. Took me about a week to get cracked out on it, so I haven't gone back. I'm actually entirely opioid free now.

 

[deruyityn]

I was curious and took 150mg once, it wasn't hedonistic at all to me.

There's no more positives than taking the recommended dose. I wouldn't worry about getting risky with tia if you can hold shit down with Kratom. I found Kratom to have many more recreational qualities than I saw in tia.

Cool. Cheers for info.

 

[Mycophile]

Did that really contribute much to the thread? It what clear what I meant. You sound like the grammer nazis corrcting your and you're. :D

I know sorry.

I AM a grammar nazi because I'm an English tutor so it's hard for me to control myself but I apologize haha.

 

[emjay]

Tianeptine appears to also be a TCA (tricyclic antidepressant)? If that's the case I really wouldn't encourage such high doses - a TCA overdose is no good.

And I'd imagine that the TCA action would also be responsible for making withdrawals worse. I've been on all sorts of SSRIs, TCAs, and even MAOIs (phenelzine and tranylcypromine), and the TCAs were not only the only ones to give me significant withdrawal symptoms, but they were an absolute nightmare to get off. Withdrawing from a TCA and opiate at the same time would REALLY suck.

I wish it was prescribed here though as my depression is extremely treatment-resistant and tianeptine sounds like it'd have a decent shot at some efficacy. That or get on one of these ketamime trials...

 

[roi]

TCA is a structural class, it doesn't say much about its mechanism of action. Most antidepressant TCAs are mainly just SSRIs/SNRIs and histamine antagonists, see Wikipedia.

Tianeptine however is fairly different!

 

[killakillakam]

So I quite ,and it tianeptine I now consider the worst mistake I have ever made in my life by starting it . Its nice in the beginning ,but I would say once you start upping the dose your looking into uncharted waters with its toxicity .

Sorry why was it such a big mistake? What toxicity did you perceive?

 

[FlawedByDesign]

My bad for deleting the original mega thread.I felt like it was attracting negative attention and my paranoid personality disorder got the best of me.

 

[Lady Codone]

Guess I'll add my experience with tianeptine since I've been using it for a while. Started in February 2014 and have used it for about 2 weeks per month ever since. Tolerance definitely builds to the fun effects if you take it constantly. It seems to be a good adjunct to SSRIs, which for me potentiate tianeptine (and other opiates).

Tianeptine at medicinal doses does not give me any of the body warmth of opiates...it's more of a head high. It's slightly stimulating and makes me want to exercise more. Even higher doses of 20-30 mg are not euphoric in the traditional sense. There are far better things to abuse if you want to get an opiate high IMO. It's as effective as Imodium for diarrhea/cramping and seems to decrease my desire for codeine, which I use frequently.

Just recently ordered some Coaxil pills (12.5mg) and they're kicking my ass! Maybe I wasn't taking a high enough dose of the powder. The pills also don't irritate my stomach like the powder did. They're about double the price though.

 

[deruyityn]

Not planning on recreational doses but to use it as an acute antidepressant. So to blast me out when I get into a trough.

Is it the same rules as kratom? just dont take it every day? and dont dose too high?

The short half life makes it even less likely to cause withdrawals right? so long as you arent redosing?

 

[deos68]

general rule of thumb when taking anything take in moderation and make sure you give yourself long breaks in between is the best way to avoid WD, tolerance build up etc
question is can you do that?

 

[Anamo7tram]

You need to take it consistently to get the intended purpose of it, otherwise your just taking a selective opiate agonist and getting high.

 

[deruyityn]

You need to take it consistently to get the intended purpose of it, otherwise your just taking a selective opiate agonist and getting high.

That is just the stock big pharma answer youre spitting out.

Ive read plenty of ppl use it in this spot dosing regimen with good results. They say it provides immediate benefits.

 

[emjay]

That is just the stock big pharma answer youre spitting out.

Ive read plenty of ppl use it in this spot dosing regimen with good results. They say it provides immediate benefits.

Any opioid will have strong and immediate antidepressant effects. Doesn't make heroin a good idea to "spot dose" for depression.

The problem here is that people who think they're only going to take opioids like this occasionally almost invariably wind up cheating a little bit here and there until they're eventually taking it everyday and hopelessly addicted. I'm sure you think you're different, but so did everybody else.

I have depression that's very treatment-resistant and wound up addicted to opioids because they're the only thing that helped - not therapy, not MAOIs, NOTHING ELSE worked. And still I regret it every single day. If you're going to be stubborn and do this either way, at least lose the fantasy and do it with the knowledge that you are resigning yourself to a life of addiction, because you almost certainly are.

 

[Hodor]

I have a script for Tianeptine, 12.5 mgs three times a day.
I guess I am a bit of a naughty boy in that I take my whole daily dose at once because it gives me an ever-so-slight buzz, but I've found in the past that tolerance builds *very* quickly if you exceed 75 mg per day.

So yeah, to get the maximum antidepressant benefits out of this stuff, you unfortunately have to listen to the party poopers from Big Pharma(tm).

 

[deruyityn]

Well its not just being stubborn/naive/pigheaded, since there is a large body of evidence to attest that it isnt that addictive.

I dont really have any horse in this race other than that I would like to find an effective anti depressant. I am a hypochondriac so am the first one to err on the side of caution but even after reading about it for 6+ months I can say the reports of addiction are in the minority. Even so those small ones are the reason Ive hesitated trying it so far cos Im scared of taking pretty much any risk in life but seeing from years of depression it only gets worse if I dont try something I feel I have to do something or my life is gonna stay miserable and just get worse.

If millions and millions have taken this as an anti depressant since its release in the 80s then I dont see how you can stand by your claim of it being so addictive. If it was so bad servier would have taken it off the market.

Like I say Im not that bothered but the scientific research doesnt not support the claim. The literature says the only people that become addicted are those who were already prone to abuse of other substances.

Any opioid will have strong and immediate antidepressant effects. Doesn't make heroin a good idea to "spot dose" for depression.

The problem here is that people who think they're only going to take opioids like this occasionally almost invariably wind up cheating a little bit here and there until they're eventually taking it everyday and hopelessly addicted. I'm sure you think you're different, but so did everybody else.

I have depression that's very treatment-resistant and wound up addicted to opioids because they're the only thing that helped - not therapy, not MAOIs, NOTHING ELSE worked. And still I regret it every single day. If you're going to be stubborn and do this either way, at least lose the fantasy and do it with the knowledge that you are resigning yourself to a life of addiction, because you almost certainly are.

 

[deruyityn]

Maximum effects maybe doesnt mean I couldnt get proportional relief from spot dosing

I have a script for Tianeptine, 12.5 mgs three times a day.
I guess I am a bit of a naughty boy in that I take my whole daily dose at once because it gives me an ever-so-slight buzz, but I've found in the past that tolerance builds *very* quickly if you exceed 75 mg per day.

So yeah, to get the maximum antidepressant benefits out of this stuff, you unfortunately have to listen to the party poopers from Big Pharma(tm).