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Opioids Tianeptine Megathread v1

Tianeptine is a fantastic drug. Very easy to get it in powder for at. Who knows how long that will last!?

I have used tianeptine both orally and ivd. At 300mg it gave a strong opiate like rush.

At smaller doses it gave a mood lift that was slightly noticeable, I really wanted to take more but 50 mg is already 3-4 times the amount in a 12.5mg tablet.

It's effects are certainly not purely because of mu agonist, how it really works is not really universally understood.

Good for your mood, I am not sure about anxiety though. Hope this helps some.
 
I've actually never tried tianeptine, but I'm interested in it. Is it an opiate or a serotonergic?
 
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Well, it certainly isn't an opiate but it exhibits opioid activity. It has no effect on serotonin that I am aware of, instead working at AMPA and NMDA receptors. I'm no pharmacologist but it is definitely an interesting substance.

As for OP's question, it may well be better for actual depression than kratom is, when used in therapeutic doses. However, I don't know where you're getting that bit about it being relatively easy to walk away from; there are plenty of accounts of people, both opiate addicts and opiate-naive individuals, experiencing pretty awful withdrawal upon discontinuation. Some of these folks were taking it for it's supposed nootropic value without realizing that it had any opioid agonism and had no idea why they were so miserable after stopping it.
 
Where am i getting it from? Maybe the bulk of scientific evidence which says its been used probably by millions since the 80s and only 144 cases of addiction and that was only those with a history of substance abuse.

The only ones who Ive read having trouble with it are those taking huge doses. Just cos there are people screaming loudly on the internet doesnt make them the majority. Ive actually read more people online say its been wonderful and had very few side effects. So indeed i must ask you what drew you to such conclusions. Seems youve only taken a cursory look at select pieces and quickly made a snap judgemnt.

Also where do you get it has no effect on serotonin? Now it might be disputed that it is a reuptake enhancer now that they know it to be a full opioid agonist but I dont know how you are so sure it has no activity? At best we can say we don't know.

Im not trying to defend it one way or the other but your statements smelled mighily of bad science. Please punish yourself accordingly.

damonoxide said:
Well, it certainly isn't an opiate but it exhibits opioid activity. It has no effect on serotonin that I am aware of, instead working at AMPA and NMDA receptors. I'm no pharmacologist but it is definitely an interesting substance.

As for OP's question, it may well be better for actual depression than kratom is, when used in therapeutic doses. However, I don't know where you're getting that bit about it being relatively easy to walk away from; there are plenty of accounts of people, both opiate addicts and opiate-naive individuals, experiencing pretty awful withdrawal upon discontinuation. Some of these folks were taking it for it's supposed nootropic value without realizing that it had any opioid agonism and had no idea why they were so miserable after stopping it.
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Can anyone tell me how compulsive it is mentally compared to kratom. More or less? How tempting is it to want to take more if you are taking the standard dose? Kratom i have experimented with doses but only gently to find my sweet spot of most positive vs least negatives. Like id go up higher then realise it wasnt pleasant due to side effects then go back down.

I know everyone is wanting to be tight lipped since the other thread got out of hand but ill delete the thread if necessary once i get the answers im looking for. Or just pm me if you would be so kind.
 
The vendor I have been buying it from only has the FREE ACID form in stock as of now ,and I assume this is the Freebase . I usefully get the sodium salt version of it and take around 450mg every 4 hours . What I would like to know is if the Free Acid is active ,and if so would i need more to = 450mg. Thank you crunk!

Please I don't want people pounding me that that is to high of a dose ,and it my kill me bla bla bla . Just want a quick question to my answer . Thanks again !
 
well this is a harm reduction forum so im going to say that if you take 450mg every 4 hours u have some terrible WD symptoms lying ahead if you don't taper down to the therapeutic range which is about 1/30th of what your taking.

the freebase form is pretty much inactive. from reports iv read on reddit, i wouldn't buy it.
 
Mysterie said:
well this is a harm reduction forum so im going to say that if you take 450mg every 4 hours u have some terrible WD symptoms lying ahead if you don't taper down to the therapeutic range which is about 1/30th of what your taking.

the freebase form is pretty much inactive. from reports iv read on reddit, i wouldn't buy it.
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Thank you man . I am waiting on my PFBF to help with my 540mg a day Oxycodone habit ,but I can not wait that long for it to get here form swedan . I use to abuse Tianeptine and I know it hits the opiate receptors pretty hard ,and if I buy some right now im going to pay the 30$ overnight shipping fee ,and down 900mg right when I get it. Last times I was using it for months I got up to 900mg at a time 3 times a day and found that it completely blocked my withdrawls from 540mg oxy ,and even gave a mild buzz. Just dont feel like going threw shity WDs while waiting on my PFBF to get here . I ran out of my prescription of 30mg roxies very early I get 240 a month , and I need something. No plans on quiting opiates so thats not a option . Last resort ill go buy some smack just hate ridden in the bad side of town .


EDIT: Oh on last note when I did 900mg of Tianeptine 3x a day for over 3 months a quit and I will be honest it was the worst WD I have ever had . Whole body aches , throwing up , the shits , And damn RLS I could not stop moving I looked like I was high on coke when it was really WD. I have WD from Heroin ,and Oxycodone and Hydromorphone many times and never had such intense WD . So I do know what I am in for . Its just I can not be in bad WD right now Because of my job , so I am getting what I can to stay functional .
 
It's active, I had the same worries about a week or two back because this particular vendor ran out of the sodium salt. It's definitely weaker, though it is also longer lasting and has pretty much no taste... seriously, I can dump my whole dose on my tounge and all I taste something akin to flower. The sodium salt on the other hand is truly vile tasting stuff.

When I do take the sodium salt I usually dose about 300-350mgs, with the free acid I required around 450mgs. You may find the conversion rate different as this is just a rough effect comparison from one person so take it fwiw. Drawing comparisons becomes difficult when you factor in tolerance and individual variation.

Never been much of a fan of tianeptine but despite the weaker potency I honestly think I prefer the free acid. The duration becomes closer to something like oxy rather than the steep up and down of the sodium salt, one of the biggest turn offs previously. The stuff is dirt cheap dose for dose regardless of the form.
 
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Ye I noticed that and for once I got to read the good stuff before it went; usually I get to threads once the party has finished. People were going quite gangbusters talking about the recreational effects. Once one said something everyone piled in with their recreational tales. Im still trying to ascertain if its any more addictive psychologically than kratom because i can really do with some antidepressant as kratom stopped working but dont want to get myself in to some deep waters. Never had a problem with kratom use tho so wondering if this would be any different/any more compulsive?

Also this thread should be relabelled this is no RC :)
 
Pinpoint, what was your tolerance like prior to using it and at what dosage did you feel opioid action?

What does it feel like? Is it a warm classic opiate feel like morphine or more tramadol-ish?
 
I use kratom as the litmus test since Ive never had a problem regulating my usage with it.

Only interested in using tian as prescribed as an anti depressant tho Id hesitated with all the talk of it being as bad withdrawals as heroin.

I dont plan on every day use just when I want to blast myself out of a pit of depression. So want to get clear whether it has a pull to take more or not, if comparative to kratom then I dont think id have a prob and since I dont wanna take every day. But wanna check the consensus from ppl who have used it/both first.
 
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Pinpoint, what was your tolerance like prior to using it and at what dosage did you feel opioid action?

What does it feel like? Is it a warm classic opiate feel like morphine or more tramadol-ish?
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This would most likely be hard for even him to say ;because it is such a unique chemical . But for me its a mix of Morphine ,and Oxy . Starts as warmth in my lower legs then slowly spreads to my whole body. Pretty good euphoria/talking peoples ears off . Its very energetic in the beginnings of using it but slowly over time starts leaning more so on the morphine type buzz once you get up into the 500+mg range . I started taking this compound in the 300mg range and by the 3rd month I was taking 950mg 3-4 times a day ,and evry morning I would need a 950mg dose just to get rid of wd ,and be able to sleep ,and sometimes catch a nob before drifting back off to sleep ,but after the 5th month 950mg did nothing ,but keep the WDs away . No buzz anymore ,and I was afraid to go over a gram at a time due to toxicity . So I quite ,and it tianeptine I now consider the worst mistake I have ever made in my life by starting it . Its nice in the beginning ,but I would say once you start upping the dose your looking into uncharted waters with its toxicity .

I swapped to a fent analog ,and yeah I know you hear all the horror stories about fent ;but from my experience of taking fent and its analogs for months and stopping for a few days hear and there waiting on my new supply the withdrawals are not even a quarter as bad as tianeptine . And this is with 7.2mg of PFBF every hour or two for 2-3 weeks and quiting for a few days waiting on more .

I am not saying fent or its analogs are better ,but in my brain I tell myself there far less toxic ,and some have been studied way more then tianeptine ,and it just feels all around cleaner/safer . I would rather see someone start fent or a analog then this shit. This is me being honest ,and I swear to god tianeptine withdrawals are on another level . I am not promoting fent or its analog ,but my cold hearted and honest opinion I would say use fent or its analogs instead . Tianeptine and fent both have about the same short half life so nothing changes there you will need repeated doses every hour or 2 . This is my 2 cents ,because this stuff is being sold falsely as a nootropic on many sites ,and people are un-expectantly getting sucked in to a opiate addiction ,and its far from a clean opiate .

At the end of my 5 month binge like I said about a gram at once was doing nothing for me ,and damn if I am going to up it or keep taking a opiate that does not even give me a buzz anymore .
 
deruyityn said:
I use kratom as the litmus test since Ive never had a problem regulating my usage with it.

Only interested in using tian as prescribed as an anti depressant tho Id hesitated with all the talk of it being as bad withdrawals as heroin.

I dont plan on every day use just when I want to blast myself out of a pit of depression. So want to get clear whether it has a pull to take more or not, if comparative to kratom then I dont think id have a prob and since I dont wanna take every day. But wanna check the consensus from ppl who have used it/both first.
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Read what I posted here ,and on many other threads you will see about tianeptine here on BL. My advice I have used kratom many times ,and its nothing to tianeptine not even close. I consider tianeptine a full blown opiate with fucked up WDs .
 
Personally, I don't think so. Tianeptine doesn't feel all that opiate-like to me. But everyone's different.
 
the therapeutic dose is 12.5mg, 3x a day. for tianeptine sodium

it would be worth doing a cycle of doing that for a month, then taking a month or two off.

it doesn't 'blast' you outta depression, but it is a useful aid or tool.

if your using it at the right dosage, you wont have withdrawal symptoms, and you wont have an opiate high. but tolerance will build after a few weeks, which is why its worth having breaks.
 
I don't mean to nit pick, but a substance cannot be "compulsive".

A person or an action can be compulsive, but Kratom itself cannot be "compulsive".
 
crunkazcanbe said:
Read what I posted here ,and on many other threads you will see about tianeptine here on BL. My advice I have used kratom many times ,and its nothing to tianeptine not even close. I consider tianeptine a full blown opiate with fucked up WDs .
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Guy, you were taking 1 gram of it per day obviously that is stupid dosing. Youre probably the same type of person who would take 50 grams of kratom a day then complain about the withdrawal.

Although I dont have experience with tianeptine I wouldnt want to get overconfident about saying how Id dose that but your case is way overboard what most other ppl use.

If its been used by millions of ppl since the 80s and only 144 or so documented cases of addiction and of whom had a previous history of addiction then its clear you fit into that category.
 
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