Opioids Tianeptine Megathread v1

[crunkazcanbe]

I know some people my say this is tmi ,but since I do not plan on taking anymore then 500mg by mouth , and the only thing 500mg dose will do to me is keep me from withdrawing now I have moved to the rectal route , and 250mg the rectal route is on par with 500mg by mouth , and I can now slowly move my dose up taking it this way , and staying under 500mg to catch a nod. The next rout if I want to stay under 500mg is the needle ,and I am not gonna do that . I know one thing though this stuff since starting it has given me some of the worse heartburn I have ever had in my life. It has made me the most lazy person in the world to where all I do is set around all day waiting on it to wear off so I can take my next dose before getting sick. As with Oxycodone I still usually had a good amount of energy . Don't get me wrong though I can still talk someones ears off , and anyone can tell I am on something with my pin point eyes . My Eyes have stayed pin pointed for over 2 weeks now with me upping my dose every couple days . Tianeptine is closer to morphine by mouth then anything is what I found out . Morphine makes me a lazy person , and tired , and sleepy all the time where as Oxycodone gives me some energy . On the plus side with tianeptine is that it makes me numb as hell to where I would not even no I got shot . Dead serious I gaged my ears form a 10 Gage to a 00 Gage in 1 day, and didn't even feel a thing .

Once I reach 500mg by the rectal route I will go a couple days without to lower my tolerance back down a bit . With a addictive personalty like mine tianeptine causes very compulsive redoing in the 300+mg range .

 

[crunkazcanbe]

I tried it a while back i remember saying it on bl that it was an opioid and people were laughing it is a nice chem although short lasting. For me redosing prolonged the high very much no one else feel that way? but I always used it IV and high dose's.

Yes sir if I take 400mg , and then a couple hours later take 200mg more I can still feel it 8+ hours later .

 

[crunkazcanbe]

is everyone still alive??

 

[Lady Codone]

Does tianeptine cause a stomach-gnawing pain for anyone else? Real opiates don't even bother my gut this bad. Even at doses of 12-15 mgs it's noticeable. Don't know how people tolerate megadoses...

It sometimes gives me a headache too.

 

[Mysterie]

i can feel the drug in my stomach once it breaks through the capsule, its like a warm chemical feeling, but its not too intolerable usually.

ive dosed higher than 10-20 mg and that is usually when it causes stomach discomfort

once again dosing higher than the recommended dose increases the likelihood of it giving me a headache, i think i have only got very mild headaches from it at 12mg, but that might have been partly dehydration, i need to drink water more than usual on tianeptine

i experimented by doing an 80mg dose, which i fell asleep after, and a 100 mg dose, it wasn't really worth it for me, it was almost like having codeine but the high was longer than codeine is for me.

im back to taking it as recommended and luckily i haven't ruined the therapeutic benefit i have from it due to building tolerance.

i agree with this guys post on tia, in the sense that i don't really think its worth mega dosing this drug

https://www.reddit.com/r/Nootropics/comments/2oo1z8/psa_you_dont_need_to_mega_dose_tianeptine_heres/

 

[《Plasticity》]

Does tianeptine cause a stomach-gnawing pain for anyone else? Real opiates don't even bother my gut this bad. Even at doses of 12-15 mgs it's noticeable. Don't know how people tolerate megadoses...

It sometimes gives me a headache too.

Not pain necessarily but nausea and that feeling as if your stomach drops (for lack of a better word). It's interesting, if I plug this stuff my stomach instantly sinks pretty bad for a while before sort of leveling out. Best feeling I can compare it to is the feeling you get when your on a rollercoaster... or the feeling preceeding the pain of getting punched in the balls . I don't get this with any other opioids. As for headaches, I get that too but they're pretty mild for me.

 

[Mysterie]

has anyone here thought of getting the sulfate form of tianeptine as opposed to the sodium salt.

its less hygroscopic so its easier to store and encapsulate.

also i think its half life is longer and it is absorbed more slowly into the bloodstream, so instead of dosing 3x a day, 1x a day is enough. i think i read that you might just need 25mg as opposed to 12.5mg

 

[crunkazcanbe]

Not pain necessarily but nausea and that feeling as if your stomach drops (for lack of a better word). It's interesting, if I plug this stuff my stomach instantly sinks pretty bad for a while before sort of leveling out. Best feeling I can compare it to is the feeling you get when your on a rollercoaster... or the feeling preceeding the pain of getting punched in the balls . I don't get this with any other opioids. As for headaches, I get that too but they're pretty mild for me.

I dont get this but I see what your saying . It may be because I am so backed up that I am actually hurting .

 

[crunkazcanbe]

I have had a pretty bad headache once in the 400mg range . It was so bad I had to go lay in a dark room just for a bit of relief . I am up to 600mg 3 times a day , and I am having to back my dose back down. I have only taken 300mg today , and am going threw mild withdrawals right now such as body chills so bad I go stand by a heater runny nose achy body . What I have found out is the first dose in the morning is always the best . I usually set the alarm clock a few hours before I normally get up , and take a 500mg cap , and within 30mins I am in full blown euphoria bliss nodding out heaven . I usually watch a you-tube video until I nod out in the morning then ill fall a sleep for a few hours . usually after waking up I still feel it in me only mildly maybe a little over 50% is left in me . Any other dose in the day I can barely feel if at all . This is why I am baking my dose back down. I have been so constipated with this stuff . I have not shit in 5 days now , and after taking only 300mg today I finally shit rabbit pellets . Its funny because today after taking only 300mg I have not been able to hold any food down as soon as I put it in my stomach I get the sudden ,and instant urge to go throw it up . But back to what I was saying above if i take it any other time in the day besides the morning I will not feel it the least bit even at 600mg anymore . I am sure if I take more then 600 mg I could feel it ,but I am not going to do that . I just don't understand why I feel it in the morning now , but not any other time .

Anyways I hope everyone is doing good out there .

 

[Peacephrog1972]

Well I am a believer

Did 200ish mg on Sunday ......absolutely awesome......lasted about 3 hours did 200 more? Right back where I started!!!

Amazing.....I am going to keep this one to maybe twice a week as I don't want to build a tolerance to it

 

[Tikhil]

Heh, I posted a thread about how well it solved w/d almost a year ago, but until I saw this I forgot I even had it in my desk.

Idk if anyone remembers me, I was active here, mostly in Bupe and Kratom like a year or so ago.

I kicked my dependency, spent about a year clean and went back to kinda chipping (tho somehow my strong love for opiates is not present, so I use even less then I expected or allow. In the time I wasn't using I seem to have increased my affinity for Ketemine, and lost much of my love for opiates).

Still I was reading this thread about an hour ago, still tweeking from my vyvance script I only take when I need to get work done (applying for a new degree). Hate stims, so decided to see what ya'll where talking about (never pushed my dose like that back then). Only had 150mg left, so i popped it into a cap and took it. Not sure I'd call this an opiate high, because it made me tweek much harder, but I am more relaxed with no stimulant come down, so I'll take it.

Ordered another gram, something to fuck around with for a few weeks. When its gone I'm done, but it'll be good to replace my two weekly doses of Kratom for a lil bit. Not for any other reason then letting the Kratom get fun again. When I get to used to it, it really starts feeling like a functional stim more then a fun substance. Either case, thanks for the fun night, Pinpoint and Plasticity, I chatted with both of you while I was kicking I believe, how goes life these days?

 

[NOtoInvega]

I was coerced into 3 invega sustenna injections. I have never been convicted of a crime or been violent. Due to events I won't get into here, I had positive symptoms of a schizo disorder for a little while. It was a spiritual issue and not a biological one. Evil spirits exist. An angel explained to me what happened and what to do to stop it from happening. I have been "symptom" free since then. That was right after meeting Jesus for the 2nd time. Sound crazy? Yeah, I thought so too, that's why I didn't tell the psychiatrist. He would have been like "You lack insight. We need to up your dosage."

Life has never been worse since getting the injections. I'm non functional. Akathisia, severe anxiety, severe depression, memory loss, 0 energy, no pleasure from anything etc.. Weight gain, sleep 12-14 hours a day..you get the idea. What you would expect from blocking dopamine and serotonin. They actually force kids to take this stuff, such as autistic kids. That is - they torture autistic kids and make millions to do it (Johnson & Johnson rigging studies to make it look like it's not torture - no surprise there). Rich people will be rich people, I guess.

So now, after trying a lot of different things, I have found that if I take enough tianeptine mixed with a stimulant, the akathisia and anxiety go away, I get energy, I don't feel terrible, I can remember stuff, I can get out of bed etc... I can function. And on top of functioning, I have peace. I can play with my kids again. After this experience, you don't know what that means to me.

TL DR-------------------------------------

The question becomes how sustainable this is. I have to take around 300-500 mg of tianeptine per day if I want to remain functional throughout the day. How dangerous is this, how often is this doable without a serious addiction (would every other day work?), is it safe to mix with stims, and will a large tolerance develop? I know that average therapeutic doses as an anti-depressant are down at like 12.5 mg 3-4 times per day, but I have read about people taking up to 2g+ per day.

 

[Mysterie]

soo what happens if you take 12.5mg of tianeptine 3x a day?

by taking 30-40x the recommended dosage on a daily basis, you are entering uncharted territory, in terms of what potential consequences it could have on your body/mind, and what is might be like coming off that dosage.

there are some concerns about the possible hepatoxicity of tianeptine, while there seems to be not much worry about this with small doses, i could see it being more likely that there could be issues with liver functioning in mega doses. so it might be worth getting a liver function test done if you plan on continuing with ur regimen you have come up with.

my opinion is that it is unwise to take huge doses of tianeptine on a regular basis, tolerance is known to develop quickly, i have read reports of withdrawal from megadosing tianeptine

just because someone on this site takes 2g of tianeptine, doesn't make it safe

what stimulant are you taking? what dose?

 

[NOtoInvega]

soo what happens if you take 12.5mg of tianeptine 3x a day?

by taking 30-40x the recommended dosage on a daily basis, you are entering uncharted territory, in terms of what potential consequences it could have on your body/mind, and what is might be like coming off that dosage.

there are some concerns about the possible hepatoxicity of tianeptine, while there seems to be not much worry about this with small doses, i could see it being more likely that there could be issues with liver functioning in mega doses. so it might be worth getting a liver function test done if you plan on continuing with ur regimen you have come up with.

my opinion is that it is unwise to take huge doses of tianeptine on a regular basis, tolerance is known to develop quickly, i have read reports of withdrawal from megadosing tianeptine

just because someone on this site takes 2g of tianeptine, doesn't make it safe

what stimulant are you taking? what dose?

If I take 12.5 mg, nothing goes away. In fact, below 100mg I still have akathisia. At 200mg I feel like my old self to an extent. I'm not able to feel euphoric regardless of the dose.

I hope it is not too hard on the liver. I will get it tested in a month or two.

I take either mixed amph or p-r-o-l-1-ntane (I don't like that to show up in searches) with it. 40mg amph 100mg of the other 1

This is the only combo of substances I have found that restores my functionality, and I have tried quite a few. I know the opiod activity is not what causes it because kratom doesn't do the job.

I'm looking at another 2-6 months before the injections clear my system..

Has anyone heard of something that works?

 

[hatrix]

I don't see any stimulant being beneficial to someone with schizophrenia... I would imagine it would only exacerbate symptoms.

The anti depressant mixed with a stimulant seems to obviously be increasing mood/energy, not surprisingly. But I can't really comment on taking such high doses of tianeptine safely. Who knows in the long run. Permanent changes to your serotonin and norepinephrine could be possible.

 

[NOtoInvega]

I don't see any stimulant being beneficial to someone with schizophrenia... I would imagine it would only exacerbate symptoms.

The anti depressant mixed with a stimulant seems to obviously be increasing mood/energy, not surprisingly. But I can't really comment on taking such high doses of tianeptine safely. Who knows in the long run. Permanent changes to your serotonin and norepinephrine could be possible.

If you buy the dopamine hypothesis. Schizophrenia as defined by the DSM does not have anything to do with dopamine levels. Dopamine levels could potentially have to do with schizophrenia as defined by the DSM in some cases, however. If the dopamine hypothesis were true - no one on neuroleptics would be relapsing. Faulty logic is being used to justify things that are truly motivated financially. If schizophrenia ever exists as a biological illness, it is much more likely that the wiring in the brain is responsible and not excess dopamine. And they know this, when it come down to it.

I hope no permanent damage is possible...

Actually I was surprised it causes a mood lift. Most substances that cause mood lifts under normal circumstances don't work.

 

[hatrix]

About the schizophrenia, I have personally known friends who when taking things such as cocaine, had extremely bad episodes where their symptoms were much worse. A lot of evidence would suggest dopamine as responsible. Its why anti psychotics take away things like voices and hallucinations.

I can't say for sure about the permanent damage unfortunately.

 

[NOtoInvega]

About the schizophrenia, I have personally known friends who when taking things such as cocaine, had extremely bad episodes where their symptoms were much worse. A lot of evidence would suggest dopamine as responsible. Its why anti psychotics take away things like voices and hallucinations.

I can't say for sure about the permanent damage unfortunately.

Saying dopamine is responsible for hallucinations and racing thoughts is like saying gas is responsible for a car going really fast and spinning out of control. Of course, if you take away the gas - the car won't go really fast and spin out of control.

Neuroleptics don't take away voices and hallucinations, but rather they drastically slow down the human brain resulting in a reduction of everything the brain is doing, hallucinations and delusions included. People still relapse on neuroleptics all the time although they surely do not have excess dopamine.

Hallucinations and delusions could be caused by a number of things, and if it is biological it is more likely to be the wiring in the brain (which we can't observe).

This is why they say they don't know what causes severe mental illness. The dopamine hypothesis is used as a justification for forcing people with serious mental illness to take neuroleptics (which keeps them under control).

The core confusion, the neurological pathways that have been improperly formed to reinforce delusions and hallucinations, is what has to be dealt with. More importantly, the cause of the confusion has to be removed (and if that cause is spiritual, looking for a biological solution will be an endless race).

After going through this, I feel terrible for people who are court-ordered or kids who are forced to take neuroleptics. What is even more concerning is that I have come to the realization that the people profiting off of this are fully aware that the studies in peer reviewed medical journals are rigged. I saw one that showed that less than 5% of children given what I was given even developed a little anxiety. That's when it hit me. They know better. Akathisia is nothing to play with. It is so bad that a lot of people kill themselves. Of course, the suicide is attributed to the illness and not the neuroleptic.

 

[joshua_2015]

Crunkazcanbe - hey man my order is suppose to be here at my house any minute can you give me some advice on measuring out milligrams I don't have a scale or any capsules I'm wanting to plug it so some advice would be greatly appreciated you can pm me back if you like only capsules I have are three mylan 1610 caps I could empty out just let me know what you think the best route to take is

 

[crunkazcanbe]

Crunkazcanbe - hey man my order is suppose to be here at my house any minute can you give me some advice on measuring out milligrams I don't have a scale or any capsules I'm wanting to plug it so some advice would be greatly appreciated you can pm me back if you like only capsules I have are three mylan 1610 caps I could empty out just let me know what you think the best route to take is

Well I recommend a scale man especially for your first time ,but since you don't got one , and I don't need one anymore myself because I have it down pat by eye . about 1 mm thick of a pile of 3 quarters the size of a US penny is about 250-300mg of powder . After you have this much sitting in front of you I would scoop about a quarter of the pile away then whats left should be 150-250mg put that dry powder in your syringe then pull about 3ml of warm water in with it then shake it real good no air in it then put that up the bum. Make sure it all dissolves in the water . I have already gone threw 30 grams of this stuff ,and still have 20 Grams left before I reorder . I have been taking 150mg up the bum every 3 hours now to cut my tolerance back down some before I start back taking 300+mg. I can not even get a buzz from 600 mg anymore ,all I will get is a slight body warmth ,but my tolerance is so high its to be expected .