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Tryptamines The Big & Dandy 5-MeO-MiPT Thread - Part 2

Auditory hallucinations at high doses

Recently SWIM took a high dose of 40 mg 5-MeO-MIPT nasally and went on a total paranoia trip after smoking a bowl of Sativa dominant weed. SWIM is a hardhead that always needs double the recommended dosages of almost everything to get 'there'.
While barely experiencing any visuals other than everything being a bit swishy, I could hear LE discussing my arrest with a lot of info that was partly very precise ad this went on for hours.
Has anybody else experienced such 'plot scenario' voices with this substance?
 
It's not visual at all almost I've vaped mixed w a php tho w 20 mg moxy and had some mild visuals like still photos looking like they are animated. It's more like mdma w a trippy head space and music is awsome
 
acidandmore said:
Recently SWIM took a high dose of 40 mg 5-MeO-MIPT nasally and went on a total paranoia trip after smoking a bowl of Sativa dominant weed. SWIM is a hardhead that always needs double the recommended dosages of almost everything to get 'there'.
While barely experiencing any visuals other than everything being a bit swishy, I could hear LE discussing my arrest with a lot of info that was partly very precise ad this went on for hours.
Has anybody else experienced such 'plot scenario' voices with this substance?
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This sounds like a classic "psych amplifies weed effects" scenario. If you skipped the weed I doubt this would have happened.
 
VoidNexus said:
5-MEO-MiPT is indeed a very interesting substance, but I do prefer the synergetic effects created between it and, for example, Allylescaline. By itself, there is a certain hollow bleakness underlying the experience, a sort of emotional detachment reminiscent of being an observer rather than an active participant in what's going on. It's sort of hard to put one's finger on. Regarding dosages, it seems that the purity might differ greatly depending on where in the world you buy it. We've got a couple of vendors selling it here in Sweden, and judging from the batches that have been sold here for about 2 1/2 years, 10 milligrams by itself is not very powerful (unless combined with something).
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my feeling exactly. 10mg is quite strong for me, but something is definitely missing. I will use it likely to combine with other chemicals which seems to be perfect as I like the headspace it puts me in.

40mg nasally is very very strong and would not be recommended at all.
 
acidandmore, have you reagent tested your chemical?

other people please never take that dose of 5-meo-mipt. some people have bad reactions from less than 10mg. Erowid reports the high end of the dosage window at 15mg. I mentioned earlier, Shulgin reported the high end of the dosage window at 6mg.

in higher doses repeating faded blackouts lasting longer than the duration of the chemical were reported. this is often accompanied with hospitalization.

20mg blackouts and hospitalization
From Moxy To Hospitalization in 6 Hours
https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=96737

15mg blackouts and physical complications
Know Your Body (Heart Trouble?)
https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=46027

25mg blackouts and hospitalization
Death and Rebirth
https://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=29734
 
yes
6mg is a ++
10mg a +++

and for most people comments Ive seen, 12 to 15 mg is strong and nobody should take more then 15 mg if he never took that substance.

heres some interesing reports:

1-For me, low doses (1-3mg) provide a very relaxed - almost sleepy - experience that's very conductive for talking and free thinking without much, if any confusion! Virtually no ill-effects at this dose either. There's no very apparent come-up or down and it's really kind of difficult to know how long it really lasts...

Medium doses (3-8mg) provide a totally different trip. It's almost like a different drug. It starts becoming slightly stimulating in nature - but very different from the familliar stimulation felt from the 2C-x and DOx drugs. Uplifting emotions, though not forced like with the MDxx drugs flow. Trippy thoughts and creative actions come easily. A trip that is easy to make of it what you will. Side effects are very mild if any at all (muscle/jaw tension, insomnia).

High doses (8mg+) are also not anything like the lower ones. This drug hits FAST. The FASTER it hits you the better. This is for sure a drug you want to take on an empty stomache! It drastically changes the effect. A gradual come-up with high doses is undesirable and leaves you wanting MORE, but redosing is not advised.

The onset is very intense. Overwhelming. Can be nauseating, but the feeling passes. Very stimulating, extremely euphoric feelings come in waves. Other people have said this, and I feel it's accurate - Tryptamine Roll. Dancing to very loud music can really be great if you're in to that. This drug is very stimulating in higher doses. Usually need to find some way to move around because it feels so good. Depending on dose the Roll phase of the trip lasts from around 3-5 hours.

One thing I absolutely love about 5-MeO-MiPT is when the rolling part is over, there is no sad awful gut-wrenching feeling that the good feeling you had earlier is gone.

Then it gets trippy. Like really out there, esp. with 14mg+ just overkill depending on your reasons for taking the drug in the first place. And if you redosed during the 'roll' part trying to feel more euphoric - hahahah oh man you're in for it. Extremely difficult to convey what it's like with words. This 2nd part of the trip can persist and be very strong for hours depending on dosage.



2-Swim is starting to grow even more fond of the chemical (he's got boatloads of the stuff by shipping mistake, oops) Moxy is great at the 6-10mg level for exploring the rush of the experience and a semi-lucid afterglow from the big bang of the whole thing.

at 15mg+ it is overwhelming to swim. everything is too much. The visuals are not the perfectly formed fractals that one gets with LSD, but more scatterbrained and odd... the seem almost lopsided to swim. But the body feeling is on par to swim as low dose vaporized 5-MeO-DMT.


3-
2-5mg for me is just very stoning, it isn't like weed but "stoned" seems the best way to describe it. I get the strange body energy as well but mentally I'm just constantly zoning out on nothing.

Above 5mg is where it really shines for me. 6-10mg is my sweet spot for having giggle fits, social interaction, and seemingly endless sexual energy.

Above that range 12mg+ gets into full on psychedelic head space and it reminds me a lot of the classics. I get strong visuals and everything at that dose, music sounds amazing, impossible to interact with large crowds at that level though. At high doses the weird body load isn't a problem for me anymore, at some point between the first and second hour I break through it and it doesn't bother me any longer.

My highest attempt with this one was at 18-20mg back in the early part of summer. I didn't feel overwhelmed by it but at times it did feel like it was on the verge of begin a little too much. On another attempt 12-15mg (error in dosing) destroyed me as I was not expecting it and was in a social setting.
 
Finally got around to sampling this at 3mg the other night. After having had stored it in the freezer for about a year, I weighed out 10mg and dissolved it in 10mL booze, for volumetric dosing as my scale isn't accurate enough to weigh out individual doses. I did an allergy/safety test of 0.5mg and then two days later took 3mg.

It was extremely social, gave me a really strong urge to talk, hang out, communicate. I was really surprised by this effect, I knew it was supposed to be social, but it was much moreso than I had expected. The comeup was ever so slightly jittery and uncomfortable, but full of humor as well. Had to shit twice during the comeup, probably due to the drug. This could be inconvenient in a club. I noticed my fingers and toes got a bit colder than they would normally, so probably some vasoconstriction. A hot shower at 2 or 3 hours in was divine. Good feelings, and mild euphoria followed.

It didn't really feel particularly psychedelic to me, but I'd be hard pressed to explain why. It did stimulate some interesting ideas and perspectives. It just didn't feel particularly profound. My dose was fairly low, so I'm curious how it changes as you go up.

The next days have had a nice little afterglow, no negative after effects at all. I feel rejuvinated, like a small press on the reset switch. Surprising considering how mild the actual trip was.

I'm really impressed by this substance - It's unique, not like anything else I've sampled, a gem. I definitely agree with the label "tryptamine roll". It feels very much like a tryptamine, and it's stimulating, social, euphoric character gives it the roll.

The talk above of comboing with Allylescaline sounds promising. I'd really like to try mixing this with 2C-D. I think they might fill each others gaps in just the right way, and synergize along the social-recreational axis. Plus their durations line up nicely. Any mixes should be tested with caution however. There are a few horror stories floating around on BL and erowid of people mixing 5-MeO-MiPT with phenethylamines at not-insanely high dosages, and having pretty out of control trips.
 
5mg of this IV'ed were very very shtronk, much more shtronk than anticipated. What Shulgin said about parenteral doses might've been true for inhalation, but not for intravenous injection, not as far as I can tell anyway. It's been 8h and I still feel all the classical tryptamine side effects. It had it's beautiful moments and was overall impressive for it's sheer intensity, but I can't see myself seeking it out again. I actually gained some insights to areas I had no access to for years, but the body load was just too much. It went past ecstatic. It felt like the drug was trying to prove to me how well it performs, presenting stunningly beautiful visuals, profound emotional depth and biographical insights, tactile sensations unmatched by any orgasm, but while doing so it shot way past what I wanted to experience. Very taxing, probably the least tranquil of tryptamines I have tried, DMT obviously being number one in that respect.
 
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Wow, I didn`t feel anything like what you guys described at all...
For me, 8mg was quite a generic tryptamine high. Not profound, no visuals and a slight comfortable body load. I Did not feel all that energy you talk about and was not particularly social. I also did not feel any tactile enhancement.
10 mg was the same, but a little bit stronger, and I was a little bit less social...
Strange huh?
 
Yeah I did 20 (with a tolerance, approximately 12 taking that into account) and got what felt like a very weak mushroom trip with a stronger and more negative body load. Either I have shitty stuff or this chemical is a waste of my time.
 
Torresmo said:
Wow, I didn`t feel anything like what you guys described at all...
For me, 8mg was quite a generic tryptamine high. Not profound, no visuals and a slight comfortable body load. I Did not feel all that energy you talk about and was not particularly social. I also did not feel any tactile enhancement.
10 mg was the same, but a little bit stronger, and I was a little bit less social...
Strange huh?
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If you are referring to my experience, remember I used it intravenously. I have read on another forum that entire groups of people felt next to nothing off this substance while being 100% certain they had 5.MeO-MiPT (I am sceptical). Either there is a significant difference in purity of the batches going around or another substance is passed off as this by some retailers or people are just affected very differently by it. Judging by Shulgin's reports I'd say there is some crappy impure stuff going around. I know my tryptamines and this was intense as motherfucking fuck. Just as brutal as 5-MeO-DMT. Shit, even moreso.
 
I am 100% sure I have real stuff, but as it's on blotter the dosage could be wrong.
 
100% is a very daring statement, even if a trusted friend of your did GC/MS on the material, some healthy doubt should always remain. Not suggesting you did NOT have proper material, please don't get me wrong.

I want to add that this was indeed not worth shit as a social enhancer, I went over to friends to play board games during the tail end and if anything I had less fun than usual - which was still a whole lot. :D
 
What is most striking is that there is a member of df who claims to be 100% certain to have the real deal, simply because he is an organic chemist (no further info given). He said ALL of his friends showed next to no reaction to the substance. This is puzzling. It makes me think I might have something entirely different. This was no 5-MeO-DMT though, no way. It lasted much too long. Judging by what I read in Tihkal I have the real deal. Judging by all these firm believers who are in possession of a near inactive compound which they know with 100% certainty is 5-MeO-MiPT I have some other chemical. One that is really fucking brutal compared to all other tryptamines I've tried. In retrospect, the most brutal I have tried, especially physically.
 
cr00k said:
Just as brutal as 5-MeO-DMT. Shit, even moreso.
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The Shulgin reports indicate the compound nearly feeling like a different drug vaporized, and indeed feeling way more 5-meo-dmt like. This probably applies to IV use too. Oddly, Shulgin argued for a larger dose required for vaporization in comparison with oral administration, which is totally bizarre. I wonder if it will pan out across others' reports.

ebola
 
I tried it a week prior so I had a tolerance. I never said it was inactive, just that it wasn't what was being described by others. It was active at 5 mg, just really light and boring. It's highly possible the tabs are underdosed.
 
10mg is strong and the trip last long and feel taxing to the body.
even 6mg is quite psychedelic and not something very light as vacoconstruction and bodyload is noticeable.
 
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crOOk said:
If you are referring to my experience, remember I used it intravenously. I have read on another forum that entire groups of people felt next to nothing off this substance while being 100% certain they had 5.MeO-MiPT (I am sceptical). Either there is a significant difference in purity of the batches going around or another substance is passed off as this by some retailers or people are just affected very differently by it. Judging by Shulgin's reports I'd say there is some crappy impure stuff going around. I know my tryptamines and this was intense as motherfucking fuck. Just as brutal as 5-MeO-DMT. Shit, even moreso.
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I have recieve this drug from two different vendors.

The first batch was crazy potent--I felt nervous whenever dosing it because the +/- 2-4mg accuracy inherent in any reasonably priced scale was enough to make or break a trip--the character of this compound at low 2-4mg doses is radically different from its character at higher 5-10mg doses and different still from doses beyond that. I had several uncomfortable nights trying to dose just one or two mg 5-meo-mipt with something else and accidentally taking on muh more than I bargained for.

The second batch, on the other hand, is much weaker. It still has effects, but I can't really give a comparison of effect strength because in every circumstance it's just seemed "milder" rather tha merely "lower dosed".

That being said. I highly suspect both compounds are 5-meo-mipt and my mild experience with the second batch is mostly related to a nervousness/dose-conservative approach I've developed regarding this compound due to the first batch.
 
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