I believe being possessed by an inner Reptilian Deamon

[Doldrugs]

There's nothing western about that viewpoint, unless you're equating legitimate science with the west, which I feel like is pretty insulting to nonwestern cultures.

 

[w01fg4ng]

Psychedelics are not for everybody.

Neither are anti-psychotics. I've helped my own blood come off those nasty ass drugs and I would do it again in a heart beat.

There's nothing western about that viewpoint, unless you're equating legitimate science with the west, which I feel like is pretty insulting to nonwestern cultures.

Geographically and historically, yes it is westernized.

 

[Doldrugs]

You're glorifying and othering nonwestern cultures. Just like in your view of western medicine, older cultures did shitty dangerous things and used shitty dangerous chemicals medically. The only difference is they didn't consistently use the scientific method, which has drastically increased the average quality of life on this planet.

 

[Vorpal]

It may have just been a visual representation of the reptilian part of brain which we all have, it is mostly concerned with survival so may carry with it selfish traits we may interpret as dark or evil

well if that's the case then Washington DC is slap full of reptiles!!

 

[w01fg4ng]

The only difference is they didn't consistently use the scientific method

Exactly.

Now tell me where the Scientific Method even slightly suggest the OP should start downing anti-psychotics.

 

[Doldrugs]

Now tell me where the Scientific Method even slightly suggest the OP should start downing anti-psychotics.

Well it's a little more complicated than that. The scientific method says find a doctor who will work with you and try different methods of dealing with your mental illness that have scientific evidence behind them until you find one that's effective with the least negative side effects. And yes, you will likely have to deal with some side effects, but they will be worth it if you have a serious mental illness. There's a lot of options out there, and antipsychotics are just part of the puzzle. But for many people they're the answer. Dismissing them out of hand because of some ignorant idea about evil western medicine is harmful to those people. Antipsychotics work a lot better than weed and psychedelics for psychosis.

 

[w01fg4ng]

Dismissing them out of hand because of some ignorant idea about evil western medicine is harmful to those people.

I've only dismissed the idea that the OP should start taking anti psychotics for no reason other than people on here are suggesting to take it. That's harmful to assume he has a mental illness and start making prescriptions when we nothing about the OP. That's exactly the type of harm that "westernized" medicine has brought to our society. We need to take a step back if we are to see the big picture.

Maybe the OP is just creative. There is no need to jump to conclusions here.

 

[AA357]

I've only dismissed the idea that the OP should start taking anti psychotics for no reason other than people on here are suggesting to take it. That's harmful to assume he has a mental illness and start making prescriptions when we nothing about the OP. That's exactly the type of harm that "westernized" medicine has brought to our society. We need to take a step back if we are to see the big picture.

Maybe the OP is just creative. There is no need to jump to conclusions here.

I think the recommendation for antipsychotics was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I'm sure DrGreenthumb isn't seriously suggesting that the OP actually start self-medicating with antipsychotics... it sounds like he's making fun of the OP for talking bullshit. It does read like it was written by somebody who was, shall we say, not in control of all their faculties.

Creative people are still grounded in reality. If the OP is being genuine, he's distressed because he actually believes that there are lizards and monkeys living in his head that control his thoughts (lizard = bad, monkey = good). That's not creative thinking - it's psychotic thinking.
Schizophrenia is a very real, very serious condition. If you'd ever watched a schizophrenic have a psychotic break on LSD you would understand... this is exactly the kind of paranoid nonsense they talk.

 

[w01fg4ng]

I think the recommendation for antipsychotics was meant to be tongue-in-cheek. I'm sure DrGreenthumb isn't seriously suggesting...

And I'm sure he can speak for himself

 

[AA357]

And I'm sure he can speak for himself

I'm sure he can.
After seeing a schizo lose his shit on LSD, this is an issue I feel quite strongly about. Your apparent disdain for "Western" medicine is worrying. I know there are a lot quacks out there but psychiatry and psychology are very real and legitimate whether you like it or not.

People who have psychotic conditions or a predisposition to them should NOT be taking psychedelics, end of. If you're mentally fragile and prone to delusional thoughts then you really ought not to be fucking with psychedelics... if not for your own sake then for the sake of those around you.

 

[w01fg4ng]

Personally, I found the OP's story to be interesting and not far from a normal heavy mushroom trip...imaginative metaphors and imagery painted.

Don't you have a "far out" story to tell in your psychedelic usage history? Most people have a very strange trip every now and then, no?

 

[Doldrugs]

There's no evidence he's using metaphor. If you're assuming everyone who posts about demons and time travel and the like around here is speaking in metaphor you're sorely mistaken. Most of these people are worsening their very real psychiatric disorders with drug use.

No one is advocating self administering antipsychotics. That's ludicrous. Stop inventing silly nonexistent things to oppose.

 

[w01fg4ng]

There's no evidence he's using metaphor.If you're assuming everyone who posts about demons and time travel and the like around here is speaking in metaphor you're sorely mistaken. Most of these people are worsening their very real psychiatric disorders with drug use.

Did you seriously just make the implication that MOST of the people here that use metaphors have psychiatric disorders?

No one is advocating self administering antipsychotics. That's ludicrous. Stop inventing silly nonexistent things to oppose.

Did you read this thread at all?

a RESPONSIBLE BL user would use harm-reduction by saying "go to sleep, if these delusions continue talk to a doctor, try to get on anti-psychotics"

Antipsychotics will be better for you than psychedelics if you believe any of this.

 

[Doldrugs]

Did you seriously just make the implication that MOST of the people here that use metaphors have psychiatric disorders?

No, I made the implication that the threads about demons and shit are not metaphor. Why don't you ask the authors? They tend to make it pretty clear. The OP here was talking about getting an exorcism done by a priest. Doesn't sound like a metaphor to me, champ.

Did you read this thread at all?

Yeah I did. Do you honestly think those people are advocating self medicating with antipsychotics? One of the quotes you used contained the words "see a doctor."

Are you for real?

 

[w01fg4ng]

No, I made the implication that the threads about demons and shit are not metaphor. Why don't you ask the authors? They tend to make it pretty clear. The OP here was talking about getting an exorcism done by a priest. Doesn't sound like a metaphor to me, champ.

OK, but you didn't ask him yourself you just admitted to saying it's not a metaphor, so it sounds like you don't need to ask because you already have the answer.

What is a metaphor anyway? Why can't a priest metaphorically release a demon anyway?

Yeah I did. Do you honestly think those people are advocating self medicating with antipsychotics? One of the quotes you used contained the words "see a doctor."

Are you for real?

Yes. There is a very real thing called doctor shopping, and that's one of the inherent things that happens when you go see a doctor for one drug you have never been prescribed before.

When someone on the internet says go see a doctor to get THIS drug. How is that NOT a form of telling someone to go doctor shopping? you might as well tell them to go to the black market.

 

[Doldrugs]

Antipsychotics aren't recreational. Priests don't remove metaphors. Self medication is vastly different than having a doctor prescribe medication.

 

[jason7]

Surprised at how many people think the OP was actually possesed while tripping, or that it's very possible. You were tripping ... you weren't possesed . If people wanna keep spoon feeding nonsense that's okay, but threads like this make PD look like a welcome home to delusion, the cooky corner of BL. The MXE threads are pretty bad as well. I should say that I'm no stranger to some weird stuff during trips, but possesion???

Inb4 hateful sillyness...

So you're the world authority on demon possession? Just because somebody chooses not to believe in something it doesn't mean that it does not exist. People do get possessed by nonphysical entities, whether you want to accept it or not. The OP didn't say he actually thought he had been possessed anyway. He said it seemed something like that but he thought that it was parts of his own personality. I think you are an ignorant person and to call what others say or believe a "delusion" is very rude. Maybe I think YOU are deluded, thinking that things don't exist just because they are vastly beyond your comprehension.

 

[jason7]

Well after an initial flurry of 'demon-enablers', there have been lots of posts arguing against the literal reality of demonic possession (only some of them insultingly). In an open forum that's all we can hope for isn't it? Maybe you should provide more arguments yourself to tip the balance.

I thnk you're an ignorance enabler. How about that?

 

[AA357]

Don't you have a "far out" story to tell in your psychedelic usage history? Most people have a very strange trip every now and then, no?

Yes. Whenever I'm tripping hard I tend to go pretty loopy, especially on acid. Often I burst out laughing at some of the silliness that goes through my head.

I once had a bad trip on LSD which led to a panic attack. I felt like I was going to have a heart attack or end up permanently insane. Thankfully I'd done my homework on this drug so I knew it was just a severe panic attack and nothing more. You can avoid a lot of negative thoughts just by knowing your shit.

You have to take the psychedelic experience with a pinch of salt. Sure they can be great for meditation and introspection but they really fuck with your thought processes so you can't take anything too seriously.
I believe everyone has a soul, but I also know that on a basic physical level we humans are made up of a highly complex system of chemical reactions and that changes to this delicate system can have profound effects. The reason psychedelics make us think and see weird shit is because they cause significant changes in your brain chemistry. That's it.

 

[Doldrugs]

Just because somebody chooses not to believe in something it doesn't mean that it does not exist.

Just because thousands of years have produced zero proof of demon possession doesn't mean it does not exist. Oh no, wait, that's exactly what it means.