The MDxx Discussion Thread Number 2

[junkie skumbag]

I'm not disputing that adulterants probably increase a comedown but I can't say I agree with MDMA having no comedown. when you think about the effect it has on serotonin, and causes reduced serotonin levels in the synapses for the next few days, one would expect a comedown. You expect some amount of depression in the least.

that said I don't have any experience with 100% pure MDMA. but theoretically speaking, gotta disagree.

I guess if you are abusing it,but if you keep your use to a senseable level you should expirence no comdown what so ever.I havnt expirenced a comdown off these brown rocks yet and i have been quite naughty with how much im dosing,however a friend of mine had a huuuuuge binge (4 days of IV'ing and oral dosing quite high dose's too) he def got some mild deppresion and anxity but after a week or so he was back to his normal self and has learnt his lesson.....

 

[footscrazy]

thanks for the response footscrazy

No worries

 

[Mr Blonde]

^ Credit where credit is due, I basically said the same thing you did footsy.

I guess if you are abusing it,but if you keep your use to a senseable level you should expirence no comdown what so ever.I havnt expirenced a comdown off these brown rocks yet and i have been quite naughty with how much im dosing,however a friend of mine had a huuuuuge binge (4 days of IV'ing and oral dosing quite high dose's too) he def got some mild deppresion and anxity but after a week or so he was back to his normal self and has learnt his lesson.....

The only times I have had really bad comedowns with MDMA is when it was combined with methamphetamine or if I did not drink enough water during the experience. Now that non-adulterated-with-psychoactive molly is around, and I'm a bit more thoughtful about rehydrating, I just feel a bit tired from lack of sleep but that's about it for comedown.

 

[footscrazy]

I'm not disputing that adulterants probably increase a comedown but I can't say I agree with MDMA having no comedown. when you think about the effect it has on serotonin, and causes reduced serotonin levels in the synapses for the next few days, one would expect a comedown. You expect some amount of depression in the least.

I agree. I don't generally 'come down' from mdma or stimulants, but the idea that the scatterdness is only due to adulterants is false. It depends on a whole host of factors, probably most importantly one's individual makeup, but being scattered is a normal symptom of the mdma come down and not necessarily indicative of the purity of your shit.

 

[SpiritFolk]

I find with good MDMA there is no come down the next day....

Its later in week that fucks you. Too much MDMA makes me over emotional and have crazy ass dreams for a while. I cry after chessy movies and shit in the middle of thw week and my fiance is like wtf? I find LSD a much better regualr serotonin stimulator.

I think i was permantley changed from taking e's every weekend for over a year in my teens, and while most is for the better, I definitley could have had more breaks.

I like to dose MDMA every month - 2 months these days

K is my more regular fav, and the quality out there is amazing. I akin it to double dropping fresh tabs but all in the space of approx 3 hours...

 

[Sustanon]

I'm not disputing that adulterants probably increase a comedown but I can't say I agree with MDMA having no comedown. when you think about the effect it has on serotonin, and causes reduced serotonin levels in the synapses for the next few days, one would expect a comedown. You expect some amount of depression in the least.

that said I don't have any experience with 100% pure MDMA. but theoretically speaking, gotta disagree.

Good point but there is no such thing as 100% pure MDMA. Comedown as in meaning scat. I hardly do any MDMA these days but on the rare occasion when I do do it I never ever get any negative feeling following the comedown or even the next days. If you deplete the receptors over a long period of time then yes there will be depression, ive been to rehab for MDMA before, my depression was severe, nearly to the point of ending my life. If I had a large dose on Saturday id feel very badly depressed on Tuesday. They dont say Tuesday blues for nothing.

This was all from abusing the shit out of it many times a week for a very long period of time. The way I meant it is when the drug experience is over Im pretty much back to a normal state where I can eat, sleep and wake up feeling fine the next day. On the other hand ive had a lot of experience with poorly synthesized MDMA where Id feel absolute shit when I come down. Felt like I was mugged in a dark alley upon coming down. Everything was aching and wasnt pleasant at all. Id like to hear frequent users experiences to comparing poorly synthesized MDMA to very clean stuff.

On a side note you are right footscrazy, its not just the adulterants or the synth methods, if ur living a very healthy lifestyle with plenty of sleep and good foods and what have you you can reduce the chances of feeling shit.

 

[candyflip420]

Hey Kroniic, how did your experiance with the speakers and hearts go?

 

[junkie skumbag]

^ There are no removed comments on this page or the last?

oh shit soz mate mustn't of posted it right

 

[DjLeo]

Anyone else suffer from jelly legs after taking MDMA at a festival? I was walking down George St after the festival and felt like I had just drunk a bottle of vodka even thou I was fairly sober by then haha.

 

[kroniic]

Hey Kroniic, how did your experiance with the speakers and hearts go?

I ate the speaker at about 11.30am, didn't plug the green heart until about 3.30. The speakers were out of this world, and the green heart was unbelievable. Ended up getting my hands on a couple of playboys for the rest of the day! The speakers absolutely belted me, the green heart picked me right up and it was an all round good day. Ate 50mg of a Seroquel at the end of the night, got a solid 8 hour sleep and woke up the next day 100%. Now it is time for a solid 2-3 month break

 

[Juvenile]

This discussion about pure MDMA being pure MDMA reminded me of a thread a long time ago in a past life:

http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/54015-ISOMERS-of-mdma...

 

[peterpellet]

here is a relevant quote to this debate

"I received research samples of each of the two isomers from my NIMH contacts, and set up a pretty much blind study. One of the results was clear and not unexpected. The "S" isomer was clearly the more potent one -- the effective dose was between 60 and 120 milligrams, whereas the "R" isomer was barely threshold at 160 milligrams. This was about a 2:1 weight ratio favoring the "S" or "stimulant" isomer as defining the action. What was unexpected was that neither isomer gave the magic of the racemic MDMA. It was almost as if both the separate pharmacological components needed to be present to experience the unusual properties of this drug. " - Dr. Shulgin

meaning MDMA is NOT MDMA, a different mix of r and s isomers will have different effects on the user, hence why there could be difference between AUS and EURO MDMA.

 

[3 to the 3]

^ Cool. If that is in context it could explain so much. Thanks.

 

[candyflip420]

I ate the speaker at about 11.30am, didn't plug the green heart until about 3.30. The speakers were out of this world, and the green heart was unbelievable. Ended up getting my hands on a couple of playboys for the rest of the day! The speakers absolutely belted me, the green heart picked me right up and it was an all round good day. Ate 50mg of a Seroquel at the end of the night, got a solid 8 hour sleep and woke up the next day 100%. Now it is time for a solid 2-3 month break

Awesome man, do u see any sort of differance in the dutch stuff like alot of people say?

 

[candyflip420]

here is a relevant quote to this debate

"I received research samples of each of the two isomers from my NIMH contacts, and set up a pretty much blind study. One of the results was clear and not unexpected. The "S" isomer was clearly the more potent one -- the effective dose was between 60 and 120 milligrams, whereas the "R" isomer was barely threshold at 160 milligrams. This was about a 2:1 weight ratio favoring the "S" or "stimulant" isomer as defining the action. What was unexpected was that neither isomer gave the magic of the racemic MDMA. It was almost as if both the separate pharmacological components needed to be present to experience the unusual properties of this drug. " - Dr. Shulgin

meaning MDMA is NOT MDMA, a different mix of r and s isomers will have different effects on the user, hence why there could be difference between AUS and EURO MDMA.

Awesome info, thanks for that.
I have always wondered because the very first MDMA pill i had, it was just on another level to the stuff at the moment. I felt at one with the world, any problem that i or any of my friends had was so easily solved or no longer an issue. It was amazing. The stuff doing the rounds at the moment, crystal and pills. yes its nice, but does not even bring me close to those kind of feelings, and i do not abuse mdma what so ever.

 

[peterpellet]

Awesome info, thanks for that.
I have always wondered because the very first MDMA pill i had, it was just on another level to the stuff at the moment. I felt at one with the world, any problem that i or any of my friends had was so easily solved or no longer an issue. It was amazing. The stuff doing the rounds at the moment, crystal and pills. yes its nice, but does not even bring me close to those kind of feelings, and i do not abuse mdma what so ever.

yer but thats not to say what you had was mdma, could be mda or mdea or somemix with or without other nastys, ive definitely noticed that the pills around Adelaide in 07 where exceptionally munty (eyes spinning, chewing, funny hand and face gestures etc) than they are nowadays, some people liked that feeling more than the cleaner buzz that is around at the moment. kind of silly to say that was mdma without testing

 

[candyflip420]

yer but thats not to say what you had was mdma, could be mda or mdea or somemix with or without other nastys, ive definitely noticed that the pills around Adelaide in 07 where exceptionally munty (eyes spinning, chewing, funny hand and face gestures etc) than they are nowadays, some people liked that feeling more than the cleaner buzz that is around at the moment. kind of silly to say that was mdma without testing

The first pills i ever had were Blue Mighty Mouses and from what the PR says they were an MDA/MDMA combo (looking back on it i would agree aswell). I've never had that combo since but have had both chem's seperately and like i said never been close to that state i was in the first time. i have recently come onto pills that are MDA and i have a stock of other MDMA pills so i will def be combining the 2 in the near future

 

[clipses]

With the resurgence of pure mdma available, I kinda overly indulged during the past 3 months. I'm gonna take a break, was wondering what would be a nice long term to wait out?. Would i.e 6 - 9 months suffice? I don't mind even longer periods, just wondering what are your usual mdma break timeframes.

I still get the empathy and such, but the serotonin rush doesn't floor me so much anymore. I guess the honey moon period is over, and I'm kinda regretting the binge. Mentally/emotionally I'm perfectly normal and fine, no signs of anxiety/depression.

 

[junkie skumbag]

Anyone else suffer from jelly legs after taking MDMA at a festival? I was walking down George St after the festival and felt like I had just drunk a bottle of vodka even thou I was fairly sober by then haha.

haha all the time buddy.When i droped that red rockstar i was shuffling from side to side through the train station

 

[thestudent14]

as long as the bombs are in a baggie out of the light you'll be sweet

Don't think that matters when it comes to MDMA dude. LSD gets raped by light, but I think it has zero affect on MDMA and all other amphetamines I'm pretty sure.

Lol^^

Just thought I'd add that the max purity possible of MDMA crystal is 84% for those who don't already know.

There is quite a bit of nice crystal from across the pond if you know where to look

Umm.... Prove it (seriously if you have some references I'd love to see it)?
Even with my limited knowledge of chemistry I'm pretty sure that makes no sense, with the right lab and equipment 84% as "max purity possible" simply sounds completely false. I'd imagine skilled chemists could get to 97-98% With pure chemicals to start with. (Often the reason for Australian Molly being a much lower standard is both because people still pay through the roof for it, but also some of the precursors to make MDMA are hard to obtain at 100% on the black market.


Pretty sure it's been confirmed that we had 97% MDMA was imported from Canada quite a few years ago 2007 rings a bell.
Also as far as I know, it's not un-common for overseas for Molly to be 95% and discolouration (browning rather then it being white) whilst it is from incomplete synthesis, it can still be over 95% even at brown.

Mdma is mdma as I and others have said before. The molecule doesn't change its effectiveness depending where it's from. The only difference comes from different purities, diff drugs used in combination or diff set and setting.

This isn't entirely true either foots. Like many non-chiral chemicals they have multiple forms whilst still maintaining the same exact elements and location of the elements, the shape can be different. Different shapes will have different affects whether its's big or small is arguable. If you read this kindly linked from juvenille http://www.bluelight.ru/vb/threads/54015-ISOMERS-of-mdma
and scroll down to Phase_Dancers post, you can see the two different forms of MDMA. S(+) MDMA and R(-) MDMA, from the yellow Carbon atom you can see that in one picture a methyl group faces towards the Amphetamine group and in the other it faces away.

I've heard people say that they prefer one isomer over the other and that for EXPERIENCED users/(cooks) you can distinguish between the two. The affects of how one was preferred to the other at the same doses I can't exactly remember though.


I think the biggest problem with people guessing amounts of MDMA in pills, is everyone is trying to compare them to other pills that have probably been gauged falsely themselves and as a result our guess's are getting more and more sketchy.
I've always thought that the pills that got me really into Ecstasy Purple Grinners 2008 were probably around 120mg mark. But more recently when people are putting pills like the green hearts at 100 either my purple was more close to 180 or the green is considerably less. I'm inclined to think the latter but without ever having something that I know first hand how pure is I will always be inaccurate. People have put the recent pacmans around 65-80mg. Well... my mate had 9 on Sunday over the space of about 7 hours. Whilst he was rolling pretty hard and having a good time. Even though he is a fiend but at the estimation of 600mg+ I would've thought he'd be on the floor rubbing the carpet. Rather then still being able to roll J's and smoke cones for hours to come.

I also double dropped these, but I reckon I could have 4 straight up and still be relatively functional.