🤝 Cultural 🤝 What Was Your Morning Fix v. Hit The Bottle & Go Right To The Rock

[PtahTek]

2g kratom
.2mg Benz
600mg gabap
2g shrooms
1/2 tab cid
coffee
no cig
no more

 

[crazyotter87]

My morning fix was skydiving for the first time today. I can't even describe what it felt like. It was beyond bananas. I highly recommend everyone here give it a try if they ever get the chance. I'll definitely be doing it again.

Now it's 4:00p.m., and I think I might take some 4-MMC, lie on the couch, and listen to some music.

EDIT: Well, five hours later, I'm officially out of mephedrone. Grand total was about 0.5g. I'm still wired as fuck, so I'm probably gonna take some landing gear and pass out. After that, I'm 100% staying sober for a couple of weeks. That ought to do me some good.

I've been taking way too many drugs ever since I had to put my cat down. I just can't control myself with 4-MMC. I haven't noticed any real repercussions from it yet, but then again, I haven't done it that much. If I lived in Europe, where it's dirt cheap, it'd be game over, lmao. It has all the empathy of MDMA, fuck, it's great!

I'm really glad it's expensive in the States. I have an absolutely ridiculous stash for no real reason, but thankfully I have pretty good self-control. I just have a habit of buying in bulk: 14g+ of MDMA, 7g of MDA, 3.5g of 5-MAPB, 1g of 5-APB, 2g of 6-APB, plus downers and dissos. Straight-up Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas type of shit.

This stuff is too damn good! Back to reality tomorrow ;]

 

[Esperighanto]

My morning fix was skydiving for the first time today. I can't even describe what it felt like. It was beyond bananas. I highly recommend everyone here give it a try if they ever get the chance. I'll definitely be doing it again.

Now it's 4:00p.m., and I think I might take some 4-MMC, lie on the couch, and listen to some music.

EDIT: Well, five hours later, I'm officially out of mephedrone. Grand total was about 0.5g. I'm still wired as fuck, so I'm probably gonna take some landing gear and pass out. After that, I'm 100% staying sober for a couple of weeks. That ought to do me some good.

I've been taking way too many drugs ever since I had to put my cat down. I just can't control myself with 4-MMC. I haven't noticed any real repercussions from it yet, but then again, I haven't done it that much. If I lived in Europe, where it's dirt cheap, it'd be game over, lmao. It has all the empathy of MDMA, fuck, it's great!

I'm really glad it's expensive in the States. I have an absolutely ridiculous stash for no real reason, but thankfully I have pretty good self-control. I just have a habit of buying in bulk: 14g+ of MDMA, 7g of MDA, 3.5g of 5-MAPB, 1g of 5-APB, 2g of 6-APB, plus downers and dissos. Straight-up Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas type of shit.

This stuff is too damn good! Back to reality tomorrow ;]

Skydiving seems fascinating, I will eventually get to it but I've never heard anyone speak negatively on it which is wild to think about. I'm curious to ask somebody else who's used a handful of different empathogens like that, which have you found the most useful, for what, and if any were useful, were they used solo or with other drugs? I've been on this hunch that 5-MAPB exhibits superior therapeutic capacities for normal people but there's a mescaline-ish psychedelia to MDA that I can't really see being comparable to 5-MAPB, apples-to-oranges type shit. I've also not experimented with administering 5-MAPB to anyone else though, so I've got only personal experiences with guiding any empathogens outside of MDMA, MDA and high potency kanna extracts. Of those three, I definitely find MDA to be the most useful, but it often benefits from a low dose of a sedative to go along with it. 5-MAPB feels like it already has that chillness sort of "baked in" if that makes sense.

I agree with your general sentiment, but I feel like you're playing devil's advocate and you frankly, come across as a bit of a twat. I know it's not intentional and you could probably school me in Bio chem 101 (not to mention beyond). With all that said, you seem like you know your stuff...now compare your knowledge to an average meth user. Are they titrating doses? Are they taking Dex vs. Meth into account? NO. The answer is NO my friend. Meth is always abused generally speaking, to think that isn't the case is just....dumb. You're too smart to know I'm not speaking BS.

I'm sorry it came off as dickish, I'm genuinely just trying to defend the fact that a ton of people in the community I grew up in use meth the exact way I described, and it's exceptionally non-problematic, it's essentially impossible to distinguish it from Vyvanse when we would blindtrial folks with gel caps. The average meth user I know isn't seeking hedonistic rushes, they're too poor to afford their Concerta/Adderall/Vyvanse/Etc and turn to the streets to buy usually a single gram at the start of every month, often diluting it with what to me is the "old school" method of oral meth use. Drink a 2 liter down to the label, and they always claimed it had about 30 shotglasses of liquid left in it. Is that even remotely accurate or consistent? Idrk but it seemed close enough, these people always dissolved the gram in the remaining soda, and would bang a shot of it every morning for the next month, typically having a shot or two leftover at the end of the month.

I also don't know to what degree I consider isomerism of meth on the street to be something that people really detect, it might be? I doubt any self-respecting chemists would release isomerically impure meth given how severely it impacts quality and how easily it can be properly isomerized. Market competition rn is fucking absurd anyways, cartel ice is absolutely unbelievable as far as quality goes imo, I can read text on paper through the crystals with how clear they are.

Saying meth is "always abused generally speaking" is goofy shit through my eyes, but I've also seen far more common use of it in pressed addies and low oral doses as a functional stimulant, than I have ever seen the reckless hedonistic abuses of the molecule. Rushes are best chased through crack, according to most stim users I've asked, idk I also prefer oral cocaine relative to other RoAs. Off the top of my head I could name 6 people I am quite close to who have used oral meth for a period of their life, almost always later transitioning to lisdexamphetamine or XR formulations of amphetamine. One person just dropped stimulants altogether, and the other person was offered a Desoxyn script but turned it down. The fact that you also imply I'm playing devil's advocate over some nonsense about meth RoAs is wild to me, but if your only experiences involving methamphetamine revolve around hedonistic overuse then I can see why this would seem weird. Many people I don't know closely who I've tutored in South Florida, as well as tradesmen who I grew up with in my hometown on the opposite side of the country, all also use oral methamphetamine in reasonable doses. My hunch on the matter is that it's likely unwise to touch any amphetamine if you're prone to chasing rushes of hedonism, but if you're not prone to that then it's a pretty useful tool imo.

 

[crazyotter87]

Skydiving seems fascinating, I will eventually get to it but I've never heard anyone speak negatively on it which is wild to think about. I'm curious to ask somebody else who's used a handful of different empathogens like that, which have you found the most useful, for what, and if any were useful, were they used solo or with other drugs? I've been on this hunch that 5-MAPB exhibits superior therapeutic capacities for normal people but there's a mescaline-ish psychedelia to MDA that I can't really see being comparable to 5-MAPB, apples-to-oranges type shit. I've also not experimented with administering 5-MAPB to anyone else though, so I've got only personal experiences with guiding any empathogens outside of MDMA, MDA and high potency kanna extracts. Of those three, I definitely find MDA to be the most useful, but it often benefits from a low dose of a sedative to go along with it. 5-MAPB feels like it already has that chillness sort of "baked in" if that makes sense.

It was truly surreal. Once I got into the plane, there was no going back. I highly recommend you do it. I know I'll definitely be doing it again.

The most useful? Oh man, I've only done MDMA, MDA, and 5-MAPB. I haven't tried 5-APB yet, but I'm leaning toward making that my next roll. From what I've read, it sounds like a longer-lasting and more intense version of MDA, but please correct me if I'm wrong.

I also haven't tried 6-APB yet. I was only able to find some a couple of weeks ago, and I sent it off for testing, so I'm waiting on the purity results. I suspect I'll need to take 200mg or more. The funny thing is I was actually planning to ask you how to dose it based on the lab results once I get them back.

As for the empathogens I've tried, I've almost always taken them alone in my apartment. Well, except for one time when I took 100mg of MDA at a Phish concert a few years ago. That's the only time I've done one in public. They're easily my favorite class of drugs. I mainly enjoy benzos, but there's just not much to them compared to empathogens. They're so versatile. I can lie on the couch listening to music, chat with friends online, talk to people on the phone, dance at a concert (I was fucking moving at Phish the whole time!), reflect on my life, dance around my apartment like an idiot, or just enjoy the experience in whatever way feels right.

Out of the three, MDA has been by far the most beneficial. MDMA is wayyyyyyy too hedonistic. I mean, MDA definitely has that side too, but it still leaves room for introspection. To me, 5-MAPB just felt like a more sedating version of MDMA that lasted quite a bit longer. As far as therapeutic value goes, I think 5-MAPB and MDMA would accomplish pretty much the same thing.

With MDA, there are moments where the roll completely takes over, then other moments where the psychedelic aspect comes forward instead. I can definitely see why it has mostly been phased out and why so many people don't even know what it is anymore. I'm mostly talking about the average person who has rolled before and only knew "molly" as MDMA. MDA can be a lot more difficult, and I don't think it would appeal to the audience MDMA is generally marketed toward.

I've mostly used everything on its own, aside from my daily Klonopin, clonidine for sleep, and the occasional non-prescription benzo on the comedown. I've only done 5-MAPB twice so far. I candy flipped once with MDMA, but honestly it felt like too much of a drag. I also smoked DMT at the peak, sort of nexus flipped by taking 5 to 10 mg of 2C-B toward the tail end to extend things a bit, and used ketamine in small doses on the comedown. It didn't live up to what I expected. I've also used nitrous, but I honestly find it too distracting, if that makes sense. If I had a 2,000 g tank sitting next to me, I'd probably spend most of the peak doing nitrous instead, and that feels like a waste considering I usually wait at least a month between rolls. Oh, and I've also combined MDMA with MDA and vice-versa...

Anyway, I really wish I had someone to roll with. It would be beyond magical to share the experience with my best friend or even a close female friend. I'm leaning toward just waiting until the timing is right instead of forcing it.

I honestly find all of them beneficial. They're penicillin for the soul to me. They remind me that genuine happiness really is possible and that I can be that sociable without them, even if it's rare. They all hold a special place in my heart. They've genuinely been the most effective antidepressants I've ever experienced. Or I just love them too much. Either way, I think a lot of it comes down to what you make of the experience.

Sorry for the wall of text. I'm still sort of geeked from the 4-MMC and just waiting for my clonidine to kick in.

 

[crazyotter87]

I'm sorry it came off as dickish, I'm genuinely just trying to defend the fact that a ton of people in the community I grew up in use meth the exact way I described, and it's exceptionally non-problematic, it's essentially impossible to distinguish it from Vyvanse when we would blindtrial folks with gel caps. The average meth user I know isn't seeking hedonistic rushes, they're too poor to afford their Concerta/Adderall/Vyvanse/Etc and turn to the streets to buy usually a single gram at the start of every month, often diluting it with what to me is the "old school" method of oral meth use. Drink a 2 liter down to the label, and they always claimed it had about 30 shotglasses of liquid left in it. Is that even remotely accurate or consistent? Idrk but it seemed close enough, these people always dissolved the gram in the remaining soda, and would bang a shot of it every morning for the next month, typically having a shot or two leftover at the end of the month.

I also don't know to what degree I consider isomerism of meth on the street to be something that people really detect, it might be? I doubt any self-respecting chemists would release isomerically impure meth given how severely it impacts quality and how easily it can be properly isomerized. Market competition rn is fucking absurd anyways, cartel ice is absolutely unbelievable as far as quality goes imo, I can read text on paper through the crystals with how clear they are.

Saying meth is "always abused generally speaking" is goofy shit through my eyes, but I've also seen far more common use of it in pressed addies and low oral doses as a functional stimulant, than I have ever seen the reckless hedonistic abuses of the molecule. Rushes are best chased through crack, according to most stim users I've asked, idk I also prefer oral cocaine relative to other RoAs. Off the top of my head I could name 6 people I am quite close to who have used oral meth for a period of their life, almost always later transitioning to lisdexamphetamine or XR formulations of amphetamine. One person just dropped stimulants altogether, and the other person was offered a Desoxyn script but turned it down. The fact that you also imply I'm playing devil's advocate over some nonsense about meth RoAs is wild to me, but if your only experiences involving methamphetamine revolve around hedonistic overuse then I can see why this would seem weird. Many people I don't know closely who I've tutored in South Florida, as well as tradesmen who I grew up with in my hometown on the opposite side of the country, all also use oral methamphetamine in reasonable doses. My hunch on the matter is that it's likely unwise to touch any amphetamine if you're prone to chasing rushes of hedonism, but if you're not prone to that then it's a pretty useful tool imo.

I completely agree with your mindset regarding methamphetamine. I actually used it responsibly in college as a VERY cheap replacement for Adderall while studying. I only took it orally and rarely exceeded 2.5-5mg. I'm extremely sensitive to stimulants, so my goal was simply to improve focus and make boring tasks more engaging. I never wanted subpar euphoria to get in the way.

I think it has far more stigma attached to it than it deserves. My impression is that the majority of users aren't abusing it to the extreme that people often assume. The route of administration also makes a huge difference. I snorted it once just to see what all the "hype" was about, and, as I expected, it wasn't there. If someone is smoking it, of course it's going to be much more hedonistic than a smooth oral come-up & ride.

 

[BK38]

I'm sorry it came off as dickish, I'm genuinely just trying to defend the fact that a ton of people in the community I grew up in use meth the exact way I described, and it's exceptionally non-problematic, it's essentially impossible to distinguish it from Vyvanse when we would blindtrial folks with gel caps. The average meth user I know isn't seeking hedonistic rushes, they're too poor to afford their Concerta/Adderall/Vyvanse/Etc and turn to the streets to buy usually a single gram at the start of every month, often diluting it with what to me is the "old school" method of oral meth use. Drink a 2 liter down to the label, and they always claimed it had about 30 shotglasses of liquid left in it. Is that even remotely accurate or consistent? Idrk but it seemed close enough, these people always dissolved the gram in the remaining soda, and would bang a shot of it every morning for the next month, typically having a shot or two leftover at the end of the month.

I also don't know to what degree I consider isomerism of meth on the street to be something that people really detect, it might be? I doubt any self-respecting chemists would release isomerically impure meth given how severely it impacts quality and how easily it can be properly isomerized. Market competition rn is fucking absurd anyways, cartel ice is absolutely unbelievable as far as quality goes imo, I can read text on paper through the crystals with how clear they are.

Saying meth is "always abused generally speaking" is goofy shit through my eyes, but I've also seen far more common use of it in pressed addies and low oral doses as a functional stimulant, than I have ever seen the reckless hedonistic abuses of the molecule. Rushes are best chased through crack, according to most stim users I've asked, idk I also prefer oral cocaine relative to other RoAs. Off the top of my head I could name 6 people I am quite close to who have used oral meth for a period of their life, almost always later transitioning to lisdexamphetamine or XR formulations of amphetamine. One person just dropped stimulants altogether, and the other person was offered a Desoxyn script but turned it down. The fact that you also imply I'm playing devil's advocate over some nonsense about meth RoAs is wild to me, but if your only experiences involving methamphetamine revolve around hedonistic overuse then I can see why this would seem weird. Many people I don't know closely who I've tutored in South Florida, as well as tradesmen who I grew up with in my hometown on the opposite side of the country, all also use oral methamphetamine in reasonable doses. My hunch on the matter is that it's likely unwise to touch any amphetamine if you're prone to chasing rushes of hedonism, but if you're not prone to that then it's a pretty useful tool imo.

I think we have led very different lives and that's ok, in my experience, those that I know that use methamphetamine (regardless of ROA) almost always end up abusing it (many of them became addicted too - I include myself in that number - 12 years clean now though). We can certainly have different perspectives on methamphetamine use. It may have been a bit "goofy" of me to speak in massive generalizations and let me be clear, I did not and am not calling you a twat, it just gave me that sense. I know that was not your intention and perhaps I should have chosen my words more carefully.

I think what you said struck a nerve with me as someone who has had massive negative reprecussions as a result of methamphetamine use (which spiralled into abuse). I have seen too many good people taken down by the drug. Perhaps I need to examine my own personal bias.

With that said, at least anecdotally, I have met maybe a small handful of people that consume meth orally in the manner that you describe (with approximated, tirtrated doses consumed in a relatively responsible way). Again, this may simply come down to the people we know, geography, local markets, drug culture etc. I definitely agree that pressed addies etc are a thing and that a lot of people use them in lieu of prescribed amphetamines due to cost, availability etc.

"The average meth user I know isn't seeking hedonistic rushes" - I think this statement is what I take issue with most in terms of your beliefs regading methamphetamine. The average meth user I know absolutely uses the molecule for hedonistic rushes.

I apologize for coming at you a little sideways. On reflection, I think I was being a bit of a twat; you did nothing to derserve any kind of ire. Thank you for taking the time to write about your perspective; you are obviously highly intelligent and I genuinely appreciate your contributions to BL.