Miscellaneous What Psychedelics Do You All Wish Were More Accessible?

[cosmosmariner]

Peyote all the way. I so wish there were some ethical way to take peyote.

 

[Esperighanto]

Peyote all the way. I so wish there were some ethical way to take peyote.

I've ethically consumed some that I grew myself indoors, they weren't going to root before they rotted so they got eaten. It takes time and space, but Lophophoras are great fun to grow.

 

[cosmosmariner]

That would be the way. Time and space.

 

[crazyhairman]

LSD . I hate that I gotta keep up with people of questionable character for various quality of blotter.

 

[Deleted member 554582]

got 3-4 visiogens tried in my life.....don't wanna try anything else....just need 3g ibogaine hcl or equivalent dose of TA extract right now...only this man...only this

 

[Esperighanto]

LSD . I hate that I gotta keep up with people of questionable character for various quality of blotter.

On the streets I found it insanely unreliable and sketchy, but it was also the only avenue I've ever acquired 25C-NBOMe through, so part of me wants to network with sketchy acid dealers to become their NBOMe disposal machine hahaha. 25C-NBOMe is even hard pressed to pop up on DNMs, I have no idea how an entire page of it (and at a rather high dose it would seem) made it to the small town I grew up in.

 

[Oldman Liver]

A good question to think about. It does depend where you live and on what the laws are. Draconian laws
are a serious obstacle to access. Take for instance the fact that Netherlands will likely be criminalizing all psychedelics in July 2025
well OK maybe not pot and mushroom sclertota, but all of the chemical ones.

I would guess that is the reason one of if not the only reason the Dutch producer of probably hundreds of different tryptamines,
phenylethlamines and lysergimides threw in the towel and stopped all production at the end of last year and they were probably
supplying most people experimenting with rc psychedelics. So this upcoming July apocalypse will affect access to everything except
what a very few others might continue producing underground and in much less variety.

Having access to any psychedelics requires effort and connections and good locations and thats what I wish I had more of. In my country you'll get the death
penalty for selling psychdelics and that probably has something to with why you can't get any of them except mdma, I guess people
enjoy that one so much death penalties don't deter them. Psychedelic mushrooms grow fairly commonly naturally and they are quite good. But
as far as what I wish I had access to it would be everything else psychdelic but especially good LSD and I have never gotten a chance to try
all the LSD analogs and most of the tryptamines I would like to try too and probably never will have a chance, the world is going in a very bad
direction if you are not ultra wealthy and connected and I am not either of those, so too bad for me.

That said there some positive signs, Robert Kennedy has been known to mutter things about how psychedelics need to be legalized in the U.S.
for medical purposes and decriminalized for people who dont need hand holding from expensive experts. If America did that, legalized
some uses of psychedelics, I would think we could even be seeing things freed up to the point where someone would again start producing
the esoteric psychedelic chemicals we on this forum are interested in and which have just begun to evaporate in the Netherlands.

So, I guess that is the kind of access I would like, access to everything imaginable and without state drug war terror hiding in the bushes poised to whack me or my providers
personally I dont enjoy thrill seeker adventures, I'd like to be able to yawn and then just go to some clean clinical psychedelics specialist shop and having been granted a
license from the state authorities to use psychdelics for self-exploration and and actualization pick up say 5 tabs of expertly crafted ALD-52, 5 ETH-LADs,
a sachet of Allylescalline and another of DiPT for my Spring tripping season.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

On the streets I found it insanely unreliable and sketchy, but it was also the only avenue I've ever acquired 25C-NBOMe through, so part of me wants to network with sketchy acid dealers to become their NBOMe disposal machine hahaha. 25C-NBOMe is even hard pressed to pop up on DNMs, I have no idea how an entire page of it (and at a rather high dose it would seem) made it to the small town I grew up in.

Was that about 2013-ish?

I accidently obtained a sheet of 25i that year when I was 20/21 and it was sold to me as acid for far too cheap. Bitter as fuck. Gave me weird headaches and only took it four times total and sold the rest as 'not acid' to people who I guess didn't give a fuck. Made a hefty profit. Very interesting visually though, never had anything else like it.

I'd never take it again because I read about a freshman at my university dying in a parking lot from it (didn't know him, not my sale) and had pretty bad headaches for years after. But I wish a drug THAT visual could come around again, be safe, and be that cheap lol

 

[Esperighanto]

Was that about 2013-ish?

This was 2023 actually, and it was sold at regular acid price. I rolled up to the guy the next day and got my money back. He'd apparently received an entire page of these (9-10 sheets), and I knew immediately something was up by the double-sized tabs. I'm a huge fan of N-benzylated phenethylamines overall, and 25I-NBOMe, 25B-NBOH, as well as 25C-NBOMe have all been stunning so far. Neither of the other two though can even begin to compete with 25C-NBOMe in my personal opinion. Never had a headache last more than a day after use, even of somewhat excessive amounts. I ate about 2 tenstrips of it within a month once though, including once with an MDA pressie from a Billy Strings lot. Four beautiful trips/rolls back to back.

This is actually a strange question, but do you consider N-benzylated phenethylamines just psychedelics, or psychedelic empathogens as well? I feel like the words trip and roll both apply to them.

 

[xdrc]

When I tried 25E-NBOH that one time (which ended with a panic attack and a call to 911), it was extremely euphoric and pleasurable at first. Probably more so than many entactogen experiences I had. This was my first and only experience with NBOx, but I'm slowly considering the idea of trying one again, or even 25E-NBOH itself. At a much lower, controlled dose, nasally instead of sublingually. Depending on the side effects, I think I'd probably be fine dosing them - or 25E in particular - to Shulgin ++.5.

 

[Pfafffed]

Unique but similar, not a ton of headspace but foxy feels more like yohimbine, whereas 2C-B feels more like acid or mescaline.

Honestly, I wasn't wowed by my first (and possibly last) experience with, 5-MeO-DiPT. I think I like the sensual body shivers from yohimbe more, at least at 7mg 5-MeO-DiPT. It was lovely and all, but at that level not a standout compared to other 5-MeO subbed tryptamines. Perhaps that would change if I took more, but it was the most generic of the bunch (which holds true for all the DiPT family for me.)

That wouldn't dissuade me, but its lingering somatic energy interfered with my sleep way worse than most drugs do, and for quite some time. I value my sleep, so that might discourage further exploration.

 

[Cream Gravy?]

This is actually a strange question, but do you consider N-benzylated phenethylamines just psychedelics, or psychedelic empathogens as well? I feel like the words trip and roll both apply to them.

I mean I only ever tried 25i because of the perceived risks afterwards. And of course the drug was completely lacking in the classic LSD style mindfuck so I found it very, very shallow and enjoyable. That’s about all I remember; shallow and very visual. Always lots of fun and lots of laughs and best done with others.

 

[deficiT]

I wish Mescaline, Ibogaine, DPT, and NBOmE/NBOHs were more readily available.

I would do mescaline quite often if it wasn't so rare, which is really a shame because I feel like it's a psychedelic that actually gives me the therapeutic benefit people seek from psychedelics.

Saw a dude have some 25i-NBOMe recently, the price of a gram was absolutely bananas, like 5 times what it cost a few years ago. I wanted to get some, realistically if I got just one gram I'd be set for life, but like, nah, it ain't ever worth all that, that shit is bananas I refuse to pay it on principle and I never will. Same for mxe. Love that stuff, but it ain't worth 4x the price of good Ketamine, what's the fucking point lol unless you got cash to burn and want it for the novelty, it ain't really worth it, I'm happy with the find memories

I think it's all pretty dumb, psychedelics have made a massive resurgence, and it's absolutely a valuable market, the average person I feel these days is more likely to have taken acid or mushrooms than like harder drugs.

Harder drugs just create addicts so that's a fully self sustaining cycle, so the profits and system of it is undeniable, and the cartels make a killing off it, so I don't think the market for psychedelics can compete with that kind of classical conditioning at play

 

[red22]

But to answer the thread question, I’d like to see more DOx, like DOI, DOC, DOPr,

Little-known psychedelic drug shows promise in treating low motivation in depression

 

[Pfafffed]

Oh wow, thanks for sharing this! I'm going to start digging after I get my coffee in me.

 

[xdrc]

Little-known psychedelic drug shows promise in treating low motivation in depression

This sounds a lot like Ariadne or other 4C-x compounds, or generally similar to what a lot of people describe to experience from low-dose clearheaded psychedelics. And also like a very convoluted experimental setup with mice where it would have been easier to just ask a human instead. I understand being careful, but I find these animal models rather hilarious. Although "nosepoking" for sugar solutions is a hell lot more cute than forced swim test!

 

[Travis_Bickle]

Powdered DOC. Been looking for this for ages.

 

[JackARoe]

DET. I love the simple tryptamines. Never had DET.

 

[unodelacosa]

I would do mescaline quite often if it wasn't so rare, which is really a shame because I feel like it's a psychedelic that actually gives me the therapeutic benefit people seek from psychedelics.

The trouble with Mescaline is that it's not very potent, nor very efficient to grow from plant source, but extraction from ground, dried San Pedro (Peruvian Torch) might be the best route for producing personal stash amounts of mescaline. Because you know, from the clandestine chemist's persepctive, why bother to produce 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine (mescaline) which is active at like >400 mg and up… or produce the same amount of, idk, say, 2C-B, which is just 2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromo-phenethylamine. Only it is ~20-25 times more potent than mescaline, common dose range is maybe 15 mg - 25 mg.

So when a single dose of mescaline requires 400 mg of product whilst a single dose of 2C-B (or another, similar phenethylamine) requires only, say, 20 mg, then the chemist can produce ~20 times as many doses. It's also part of the reason mescaline is renowned for producing nausea – it's a lot of drug powder to take in to your system at once, and the gut is lined with serotonin receptors, after all…

Have you ever tried methyl-allylescaline (MAL) or allylescaline (AL)? They're share many of the same qualities as mescaline, in my opinion, but they're much more potent mg for mg.

 

[deficiT]

The trouble with Mescaline is that it's not very potent, nor very efficient to grow from plant source, but extraction from ground, dried San Pedro (Peruvian Torch) might be the best route for producing personal stash amounts of mescaline. Because you know, from the clandestine chemist's persepctive, why bother to produce 3,4,5-trimethoxyphenethylamine (mescaline) which is active at like >400 mg and up… or produce the same amount of, idk, say, 2C-B, which is just 2,5-dimethoxy-4-bromo-phenethylamine. Only it is ~20-25 times more potent than mescaline, common dose range is maybe 15 mg - 25 mg.

So when a single dose of mescaline requires 400 mg of product whilst a single dose of 2C-B (or another, similar phenethylamine) requires only, say, 20 mg, then the chemist can produce ~20 times as many doses. It's also part of the reason mescaline is renowned for producing nausea – it's a lot of drug powder to take in to your system at once, and the gut is lined with serotonin receptors, after all…

Have you ever tried methyl-allylescaline (MAL) or allylescaline (AL)? They're share many of the same qualities as mescaline, in my opinion, but they're much more potent mg for mg.

Yeah, I have fairly extensive experience with 2cb, AL, and a bit of MAL as well, but it's been a while since I've messed with those. Phens are definitely my favorite class of psych and I've explored the entire group a decent amount, 2c-x, NBOmE, NBOHs, DOx (have only tried DOC), and the mescaline analogs as well. Yeah, that's kind of the bummer about Mescaline, is that it's quite inefficient to make chemically, it's also nauseating and difficult to stomach with a less ideal experience in its organic form (I've never taken mescaline from a plant personally though) but in my experience anyway, it's a noticeably more emotionally fulfilling and fleshed out psychedelic experience than any of the alternatives you mentioned.

I think 2C-B, or allylescaline, are probably more suited to recreation, dancing, or social/casual use than mescaline, and MAL was probably the closest to a mescaline experience of any drug I've taken. I actually really like MAL, it's kind of a bummer I mostly only ever see overpriced AL around ever when I do see it. But for me, Mescaline was a really cathartic and healing experience, moreso than really any other psychedelic besides maybe some 4acodmt + phenethylamine combos I've done.

Yeah I'm really not a traditionalist with this type of stuff, there are certain "RC" Psychs that I prefer to the classics, like 4acodmt, I think I might even like AL-LAD more than LSD, I just have less experience with it. But in this case, Mescaline definitely is the prototypical phenethylamine for a reason, and so it's really a shame that peyote and such is endangered and it's so inefficient to synthesize.

Another lovely drawback to a drug market that's based solely on profit motive instead of therapeutic benefit.