Miscellaneous What Psychedelics Do You All Wish Were More Accessible?

[unodelacosa]

MMDA seems hella interesting. Also, I quite enjoyed DMMDA-2 and would gladly do it again.

 

[chris_p]

RCs in south Africa.. they dont exist, theres no market. The ones I'm most interested in trying are empathogenic tryptamines like 5-meo-mipt and 5-meo-dipt

 

[Esperighanto]

Making DMT crystals, would be the Cherry on my drug Pie.
The procedure seemed to be pretty simple with some practice.
Or was that a wrong assumption ?

Synthesis talk isn't really permitted here, so I'm going to assume you're mentioning extraction, which is permitted here at Bluelight. Simple straight-to-base extraction techniques from the dmt-nexus website are where I'd direct you towards, personally. They're simple, cheap, and quite safe compared to any synthetic methods leading to tryptamines.

5-meo-dipt

I've been using probably too much of this stuff recently, and it's on the list of three drugs out of the 150-200 I've tried that will keep me up overnight well into the next day, along NEP and bupropion. It's insanely erotic, has almost no visuals, intense music enhancement, and I've tried a bunch of mixes with it but beware mixing it with serotonin releasers (DXM, MDA, MDMA, etc.) because it's an MAOI as well as an agonist of the serotonin receptor. My mixture of a second plateau dose of DXM with ~25mg of intranasal 5-MeO-DiPT had me witnessing three sunrises and sunsets consecutively.

Edit: Intranasal or oral is the way to go with 5-MeO-DiPT in my personal opinion, but curing some onto sinicuichi and smoking that was quite nice and a great way to extend it.

 

[chris_p]

Synthesis talk isn't really permitted here, so I'm going to assume you're mentioning extraction, which is permitted here at Bluelight. Simple straight-to-base extraction techniques from the dmt-nexus website are where I'd direct you towards, personally. They're simple, cheap, and quite safe compared to any synthetic methods leading to tryptamines.

I've been using probably too much of this stuff recently, and it's on the list of three drugs out of the 150-200 I've tried that will keep me up overnight well into the next day, along NEP and bupropion. It's insanely erotic, has almost no visuals, intense music enhancement, and I've tried a bunch of mixes with it but beware mixing it with serotonin releasers (DXM, MDA, MDMA, etc.) because it's an MAOI as well as an agonist of the serotonin receptor. My mixture of a second plateau dose of DXM with ~25mg of intranasal 5-MeO-DiPT had me witnessing three sunrises and sunsets consecutively.

Edit: Intranasal or oral is the way to go with 5-MeO-DiPT in my personal opinion, but curing some onto sinicuichi and smoking that was quite nice and a great way to extend it.

How does it compare to 2cb in terms of tactile effects?

 

[doubledog]

MDA is the substance I would like to be accessible to me, it is the last one from my bucket list of drugs.
Something like DPT would be also nice to have.

 

[Esperighanto]

How does it compare to 2cb in terms of tactile effects?

Unique but similar, not a ton of headspace but foxy feels more like yohimbine, whereas 2C-B feels more like acid or mescaline.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Synthesis talk isn't really permitted here, so I'm going to assume you're mentioning extraction, which is permitted here at Bluelight. Simple straight-to-base extraction techniques from the dmt-nexus website are where I'd direct you towards, personally. They're simple, cheap, and quite safe compared to any synthetic methods leading to tryptamines.

Assumed it right didn t dare mention it, forgot which extraction procedure.
Was it a A/B extraction, and then refining the extract ?
For DMT and Harmala i would have to re-check, memory recall is not very good.

But it works on San Pedro and such Mescaline containing Cactussen.
So when retired, still got goals. Become a Rapper, Grime artist.
And extract powerfull psychedelic s, great hobby s along with a mini railroad.

And get into Bonsai, still have to get a hatched seedling.
Of the Araucaria araucana. Found a lose seed then,
saw they coming up by them selves under the Mother tree.

Going to politely ask em for one buy or trade, for a plant i have extra.
Bit apprehensive as the term sharing and free, on their private property.
They: what and why does he bother me, buy your one tree, mentality.

Developed a based on assumptions state during the years living here.



I wanna Bonsai it, lil garden Big tree = no according to the Landlord.

I've been using probably too much of this stuff recently, and it's on the list of three drugs out of the 150-200 I've tried that will keep me up overnight well into the next day, along NEP and bupropion. It's insanely erotic, has almost no visuals, intense music enhancement, and I've tried a bunch of mixes with it but beware mixing it with serotonin releasers (DXM, MDA, MDMA, etc.) because it's an MAOI as well as an agonist of the serotonin receptor. My mixture of a second plateau dose of DXM with ~25mg of intranasal 5-MeO-DiPT had me witnessing three sunrises and sunsets consecutively.

Edit: Intranasal or oral is the way to go with 5-MeO-DiPT in my personal opinion, but curing some onto sinicuichi and smoking that was quite nice and a great way to extend it.

The 5-Meo s, daring 5-Meo-Dipt ime was the worst. Did make you trip hard,
like LSD on Speed, and added pitch variation s in the music
[somehow they seemed right not bothering]
The overal music enhancement was good. But side-effect s, bothering.

Guess i am sensitive to em, still got lot of 5-Meo-DIPT, my 1-st RC, pinkish.
Also 5-Meo-MIPT/ MET even had some of it, while 4-HO-MIPT/ MET,
didn t share this.

 

[Esperighanto]

Was it a A/B extraction, and then refining the extract ?
For DMT and Harmala i would have to re-check, memory recall is not very good.

I actually prefer A/B extracting mescaline but STB (straight-to-base) extracting DMT, since it's so simple to follow something like Noman's tek for DMT.

he 5-Meo s, daring 5-Meo-Dipt ime was the worst. Did make you trip hard,
like LSD on Speed, and added pitch variation s in the music

Intense music enhancement and increased notice of intricacies and nuance of expression in music, but it didn't bent pitch the way that N,N-DiPT does. Man, I got 3g of foxy like 8 months ago an I'm down to maybe a half gram right now, I've been lowkey abusing it, but it doesn't form much tolerance, and has a uniquely empathogenic/timulant vibe that I really deeply appreciate. I love mixing LSD with amphetamine/methamphetmine/NEP, so the general vibe fits, but the stimulant qualities are most like yohimbine if that makes sense.

How did you find other 5-MeO tryptamines? 5-MeO-DiPT is the only one I've tried so far.

Also 5-Meo-MIPT/ MET even had some of it, while 4-HO-MIPT/ MET,

Are you saying you dosed them together? If so, what combinations/doses and how did the trip go?

Araucaria araucana

Monkey puzzles are wicked neat, I'm currently working on schematics for a spiral staircase that has a cascading waterfal of digitally controllable irrigation leading to various bonsais around the staircase, like a waterfall bonsai spiral type of deal, you know? Bonsais are insanely fun.

 

[emkee_reinvented]

I actually prefer A/B extracting mescaline but STB (straight-to-base) extracting DMT, since it's so simple to follow something like Noman's tek for DMT.

Intense music enhancement and increased notice of intricacies and nuance of expression in music, but it didn't bent pitch the way that N,N-DiPT does. Man, I got 3g of foxy like 8 months ago an I'm down to maybe a half gram right now, I've been lowkey abusing it, but it doesn't form much tolerance, and has a uniquely empathogenic/timulant vibe that I really deeply appreciate. I love mixing LSD with amphetamine/methamphetmine/NEP, so the general vibe fits, but the stimulant qualities are most like yohimbine if that makes sense.

Explains different personal chemistry, i don t take my dextro-Aphetamine,
during trips mostly, but that is about the only i tolerate now.

The effect on pitch was bizar though, music seemed not effected.
Does DIPT influence pitch only, or all audio ? Btw that was a hard to get one.

2C-E 10 mg with 50 mg 4-FMA [a room odorizer freeby] amazingly good.
So last trip 20 mg 2C-E i added 10 mg dextro, went fine. not like 4-FMA.
That was a nice combo, i hate premixes though.

How did you find other 5-MeO tryptamines? 5-MeO-DiPT is the only one I've tried so far.


Are you saying you dosed them together? If so, what combinations/doses and how did the trip go?

Tried them separate 5-Meo-Mipt then the 4-HO, never went back. Same with MET.
But i like 4-HO-MIPT most, the most forgiving Tryptamine till now.
But no 2C-E or Lysergic

Monkey puzzles are wicked neat, I'm currently working on schematics for a spiral staircase that has a cascading waterfal of digitally controllable irrigation leading to various bonsais around the staircase, like a waterfall bonsai spiral type of deal, you know? Bonsais are insanely fun.

Get it so pics of a Pro using that spiral form, 1000 ends of EURO s.
Btw my Ficus remains a mystery. Benjaminii don t form Ginseng swollen roots.
But one of the trunks, Marginata on top form s Benjaminii twigs
While a other Giseng only has ms. B. grwing on it. My old lady, 17 years.
Just hanging air-roots, so why are Marginata s ented on a Ginseng trunk.

 

[jupitersstorm]

Hey guys,

This has been on my mind for a while, and I've been trying to figure out why some psychedelics that were such a boom fell out of business due to being banned, but similar ones didn't 2C-[E/I/D/P/iP/C] got banned and the production stopped, but not for 2C-B. 2C-B and 2C-C share almost identical syntheses and precursors as well, so why not provide the option of 2C-C on DNMs? Yet I haven't come across it on DNMs in many years. The same goes for N-benzylalted phyenthylamines, more 3,4,5-trisubstituted phenethylamines (think mescaline and friends), interesting lysergamides like the LADs and LSP[/B/Z/M], I could go on and on too about how benzo diversity is quite low when really the slight precursor shifts necessary to broaden what's available are incredibly easy.

Why was the golden age of RCs in the past if nowadays some ket chemist could create MXE and make an absolute fortune, or a 2C-B chemist could start creating DOB, DOC, 2C-B, 2C-C, their -NBOH, -NBMD and -NBOMe variants, and maybe some simple things such as Shulgin's essential amphetamines (TMA-2, DMMDA, DMMDA-2, MMDA-2, MMDA-3a, MMDA, etc.). Hell, even 2C-T-X's can be trivially synthesized from 2C-B which is wildely available right now, so why hasn't it returned to the market?

Do you guys think that it's just because psychedelic markets aren't as highly profiting as say, 3-MMC/4-MMC/Methamphetamine/Amphetamine/Cocaine/Fent markets?

Just generally wondering if there are any known of reasons that only a few RCs make it into the mainstream over time. I feel like DOM, 2C-B, 4-AcO-DMT, NEP and 4-MMC are some examples of RCs that "graduted" in a way into the world of "real drugs", if that makes any sense.

Interested to hear peoples' takes on this, I wasn't around for the major RC golden age so I'm very curious about what people may know about what led to its downfall in general. I'm also interested to hear about peoples' takes on non-RC psychedelics that are difficult to acquire in a meaningful amount of doses, such as mescaline and ibogaine.

About the 2c-c, funny you mention it because the other day I just saw some available on a market, seems to be a fairly new listing. But I haven’t seen it in forever besides now. There’s also still 2ce around. Like you said though 2c-b is very plentiful.

But to answer the thread question, I’d like to see more DOx, like DOI, DOC, DOPr, and the more obscure ones that haven’t been seen in a very long time as far as I know. Technically speaking I know this is not a psychedelic , but fuck.. bring back 3-meo-pcp production.

 

[jupitersstorm]

I sure do believe that (especially psychedelics) are coming sooner rather than later. I think they'll initially drop on the market at overpriced rates, and then will creep down in price over time, just a hunch. I suspect that the opioids that we see will more likely than not be Bentleys, based off of thebaine from Turkish Poppies for the sake of cheaper manufacture of similarly potent opioids, but that's also just a hunch. THC edibles in legal states also tend to run up to 300-500mg/dose, I was often consuming 2-3.5g of Δ9 THC daily when I was living in Maine. When redosing constantly from waking to sleeping, I could easily put down 100mg of 2C-B too, but all of these are obviously far in excess of what's truly needed for achieving full effects for most people, I'm just short most of my serotonin receptors due to having had 10+ intestinal resections in the past.

Mescaline, hash/rosin, fungi, 2C-X's, 4C-X's, DOx's, their various beta-[MeO/EtO/Me/Et/HO] substituted variants, as well as properly dosed lozenges of 25X-NBXX compounds, coca tea, ketamine and similar things (O-PCE, 2-FXE, MXE, 3-Cl-PCP, 3-F-PCP, PCP, etc), NEP, Hexen, miprocin, ethocin, hormones of all varieties, so many things could be tools that greatly increase quality of life, and if they are distributed through dispensaries with solid CoAs that are cross-validated between various laboratories, I could see the quality remaining high as the prices eventually decrease. Mescalogs such as allylescaline would also be beautiful to see in pressies. The low harm impact of psychedelics, empathogens, and dissociatives will likely lead to their prevalence before stimulants and depressants (NEP, Hexen, amphetamine, phenidates, benzos, etc) imo, but nonetheless, I suspect that a full legalization of the capacity to exhibit chemical autonomy over one's body will find its way to us.

I just also suspect that it'll move in an order bound by the intersection of optics and cost of production. Mescaline/mescalogs from vanilin via bromination and alkylation would lead to those becoming prevalent since they have shockingly low harm potentials, whereas something as "optics-fucked" as a fentalog in a nasal sprayer would probably be later on to get introduced just due to public opinion. As a reminder, I'm speaking from an American (east coast) lens).

Cannabis legalization opened these doors, and psychedelic legalization is now beginning to propagate and it's going to help further things. The last will be those with the worst optics or production costs, and frankly I'm excited to see what unique variants arise. @Nervewing is highkey my muse (my fiancee refers to them as my "internet partner", just as they refer to Hamilton Morris as my "internet boyfriend" and Claire Saffitz as my "internet girlfriend"), reading their blog posts has been inspirational to me for years and they've mentioned using arylcyclohexylamines that are PCP analogs using 3,4-Methylenedioxybenzene or 2,5-Dimethoxybenzene aromatic substitutions, and seeing these get crossed with varying alkyl groups such as PCiPR, PCPr, PCsBU, etc., and even alterations of the central ring (such as seen in POxP) may be seen. Low dosed benzodiazepines, such as diazepam, bromonordiazepam, clonazepam, etizolam, etc. may also see themselves getting compounded with things like trazodone to be sold as tripkillers.

This entire thread (and the responses therein) are essentially just daydreaming, but I sure do hope that even if they exist in a gray zone, that we will eventually reach a point like this where we can explore better living through chemistry.

I had the pleasure of trying 3,4-MD-PCP recently now that it’s becoming available again. Very interesting disso, I hope to see more reports of it roll out shortly besides psychestim’s, nervewing’s, and ecstasylover’s comments on it, aswell as a Reddit users comments on it.
3-MeO-PCPr is supposedly going to be available soon, and there’s no reports of any human consumption of it before, so I’m pretty excited for that and looking forward to trying it when I can.

 

[magicpsychonaut7]

Hey I think 2C-B-FLY is great. I love that drug. Also, 2C-E is excellent, though heavy which is both a merit and a worthy consideration before traipsing into all willy nilly. I can certainly see why it plus 2C-T-2 and 2C-T-7 made Shulgin's list of Magical Half Dozen phenethylamines. For that matter, it's obvious why Mescaline, DOM, and 2C-B made the cut as well, to me anyway, though for different reasons. A good introduction is 2C-B for its short duration, entactogen/empathogen qualities, mellow headspace, and sensual nature. Mescaline is about your spirit animal and being in touch with your innerself. DOM is about the external world and the majesty of the universe. I think 2C-E is about your soul and the spiritual realms, while 2C-T-2 is about the body as a temple, and 2C-T-7 is about the mind as a driving force.

MAL is an impressive psychedelic and for that matter so is Allylescaline, with the former being really psychedelic and potent and the latter being a strong aphrodisiac, both highly recommended, and both with similarities to their parent compound, 3,4,5-Trimethoxyphenethylamine (Mescaline).

BOHB was okay when I tried it a few times maybe three yrs ago, something like that… Lasted a long ass time, but it was not without its own charms.

So that leaves 2C-D and 2C-G… I've had 2C-D and it doesn't really stick out much in my mind. I thought it was kinda ho-hum. As for 2C-G, the phenethylamine form of GANESHA, I've never come across it. I did have some 25G-NBOMe once and it gave me some tracers and mostly just made me feel nervous. I was visiting someone in jail that day though, so admittedly I could've picked a better set & setting.

Could you tell me more about the feeling of 2C-T-2 and 7 please ? Also here is my discord elias_012. (With the point at the end), I think I will have a few other questions ^^

 

[emkee_reinvented]

Synthesis talk isn't really permitted here, so I'm going to assume you're mentioning extraction, which is permitted here at Bluelight. Simple straight-to-base extraction techniques from the dmt-nexus website are where I'd direct you towards, personally. They're simple, cheap, and quite safe compared to any synthetic methods leading to tryptamines.

Any idea why extraction of Coca leaves is excluded ?

https://www.bluelight.org/community/threads/how-to-extract-cocaine-from-1kg-dried-leaf.946050/

Saw the thread got closed as it was labelled as not allowed.
Synthesis talk, but it is a extraction of a legal, i assume, imported Kg.
Legally from Peru. Assuming the land to which its send its also legal.
Its seems Harm Reductoin, if it can be done save.

edit: EKO leaves, no Levimasole or other additive s.
You will get a full spectrum of alkaloids wonder what that would do ?
Add to the experience, calculated 1 kg would yield about 1/ 2 grams.

And not violate the synthesis rule.
Or Cocaine extraction is explicit mentioned in the rules.
As exception on allowing extraction. A far fetch,
only senior Esperiganto can answer.

So no hazardous chemicals are used during, and its a simple extraction.
Shouldn t it fall under that same rule, extraction ?
Synthesis talk not permitted, purifying the extract should be allowed.

Don t see the difference Cactus-> Mescaline, Mimosa-> DMT
Coca-leaves-> extraction , not allowed. Makes no sense ?

 

[unodelacosa]

Could you tell me more about the feeling of 2C-T-2 and 7 please ? Also here is my discord elias_012. (With the point at the end), I think I will have a few other questions ^^

Sure, so between the two, I'd say that 2C-T-2 seemed a bit easier than 2C-T-7. They both have tremendous body loads, but 2C-T-2 is especially harsh. Not recommended for those without much experience in tripping. Nausea is almost guaranteed, but it does pass as the trip settles in, and then it becomes enjoyable, but the comeup for T2 is roughAF.

2C-T-7 also has some serious body loads, but it just doesn't seem as harsh. Both drugs are very colorful, but I feel like T7 is friendlier and also a bit more of an entactogen and has a slightly more intoxicated headspace, although overall both of these drugs have relatively clean head spaces. Personally, I prefer T7 mostly bc it's not as harshly nauseating during the come-up, at least not in my experience, but I understand it's still capable of causing nausea.

You don't want to snort either of these drugs, b/c goddamn are they ever painful and it's almost a guarantee that you'll be puking. Oral consumption is clearly the way to go. The come-up is still rather rapid, and it just feels more controllable when consumed in this manner. About 2 hours in to the trip, when any nausea has fully subsided, I've found that both drugs are remarkably euphoric feeling, which stands in strange contrast to the nausea I've experienced during the come-up. T7 appears to have a more refined effect than T2 which I liken to the difference between MDMA and MDA, or the difference between methamphetamine and amphetamine. The compound with the extra molecule is a refined experience of the same basic set of effects.

Hope this helps!

 

[idle_curiosity]

My vote is for 2C-C, it's such a pleasant chemical.

 

[Esperighanto]

Sure, so between the two, I'd say that 2C-T-2 seemed a bit easier than 2C-T-7. They both have tremendous body loads, but 2C-T-2 is especially harsh. Not recommended for those without much experience in tripping. Nausea is almost guaranteed, but it does pass as the trip settles in, and then it becomes enjoyable, but the comeup for T2 is roughAF.

2C-T-7 also has some serious body loads, but it just doesn't seem as harsh. Both drugs are very colorful, but I feel like T7 is friendlier and also a bit more of an entactogen and has a slightly more intoxicated headspace, although overall both of these drugs have relatively clean head spaces. Personally, I prefer T7 mostly bc it's not as harshly nauseating during the come-up, at least not in my experience, but I understand it's still capable of causing nausea.

You don't want to snort either of these drugs, b/c goddamn are they ever painful and it's almost a guarantee that you'll be puking. Oral consumption is clearly the way to go. The come-up is still rather rapid, and it just feels more controllable when consumed in this manner. About 2 hours in to the trip, when any nausea has fully subsided, I've found that both drugs are remarkably euphoric feeling, which stands in strange contrast to the nausea I've experienced during the come-up. T7 appears to have a more refined effect than T2 which I liken to the difference between MDMA and MDA, or the difference between methamphetamine and amphetamine. The compound with the extra molecule is a refined experience of the same basic set of effects.

Hope this helps!

I appreciate the information here! 2CT-1, 2,, 4, 7, and 21 I'll evneually get around to trying.