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Oh how we all differ. I'll drop MDMA as often as possible because I love the shit - even if its 'meh'. But I take a much more cautious approach with weed and only use it for sleep...
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Bright blue means secondary amine correct?
It’s the risk of LTC that worries me as well. For myself and others... I have theorized (and still do) that the rise in LTC cases correlated with this supposed change in effects/synthesis route.
I’d forever hate myself if I accidentally ruined someone. Hence why the 1-2 potential “meh” batches sit in the back of the closet. Too scared to do anything more with them.
-GC
I've been saying that finding the production route of meh is super important.find out if it's different methods or one single method
Yes, I remember reading about that, too, but my chemistry knowledge is not advanced enough to even theorize what additional compounds can be created by this hydrogenation, that the other synth methods cannot create.So I had a weird epiphany this morning and it’s been years in this thread so maybe I’ve spoken of this before but I notice that platinum hydrogenation seems to be a source of complaints in the old Hive Archive with a few chemists remarking a lack of potency in the product.
As we know, today’s most common reduction is platinum hydrogenation.
Could you ask him what impurities usually remain after converting the PMK-Glycidate into PMK ?Someone wrote the following on reddit/theehive: "PMK glycidate is cheap and easy way for unskiled bastards to get to MDP2P and synthese unproper stuff, mostly impure"
Platinum hydrogenation is used every now and then but imagine how much you'd need to reduce a ton of pmk.it would be a couple of kilos at least and on the mass production scale(hundreds of kg to tonnes) I don't think the cost of platinum is doable.if u can get tonnes of pmk u can just use HG/Al amalgam or sodium borohydride or do the leuckart rxn.no way your gunna buy hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment and platinum metal to do what can be done easily for less money.i don't see platinum reduction being the culprit.Yes, I remember reading about that, too, but my chemistry knowledge is not advanced enough to even theorize what additional compounds can be created by this hydrogenation, that the other synth methods cannot create.
As far as I know, most of the other methods also synthesize the ketone PMK first and then go onto converting it to the MDMA base.
I think that pure PMK is PMK regardless where it comes from (saffrole, piperonal, glycidate, etc...), but some batches of impure PMK might contain certain contaminants, which this platinum hydrogenation converts into something bad coincidentally, while other types of reactions that convert PMK --> MDMA, do not convert these PMK contaminants at all (or convert them into something neutral).
In other words, if this platinum hydrogenation is the culprit, then either:
A] it converts pure PMK into MDMA + crap (side products)
B] it always converts pure PMK into pure MDMA ...but if the PMK contains contaminants then it converts them into additional crap.
As usual, the name of the game is: "Name the Crap".
This problems is elusive because our human minds tend to look for only one cause and in this case we might have two causes, i.e. Specific PMK Contaminants + Platinum Hydrogenation.
Again this highlights the need to determine the route meh was synthesized by.one route or multiple routes.this will answer the question.Yes, I remember reading about that, too, but my chemistry knowledge is not advanced enough to even theorize what additional compounds can be created by this hydrogenation, that the other synth methods cannot create.
As far as I know, most of the other methods also synthesize the ketone PMK first and then go onto converting it to the MDMA base.
I think that pure PMK is PMK regardless where it comes from (saffrole, piperonal, glycidate, etc...), but some batches of impure PMK might contain certain contaminants, which this platinum hydrogenation converts into something bad coincidentally, while other types of reactions that convert PMK --> MDMA, do not convert these PMK contaminants at all (or convert them into something neutral).
In other words, if this platinum hydrogenation is the culprit, then either:
A] it converts pure PMK into MDMA + crap (side products)
B] it always converts pure PMK into pure MDMA ...but if the PMK contains contaminants then it converts them into additional crap.
As usual, the name of the game is: "Name the Crap".
This problems is elusive because our human minds tend to look for only one cause and in this case we might have two causes, i.e. Specific PMK Contaminants + Platinum Hydrogenation.
Yes sir
Do u have the ability to do a few basic science experiments with it?
Possibly yes, what do you have in mind?
In this reaction, platinum is neither a precursor nor a reagent. You know what a catalyst is, don't you ?Platinum hydrogenation is used every now and then but imagine how much you'd need to reduce a ton of pmk.it would be a couple of kilos at least and on the mass production scale(hundreds of kg to tonnes) I don't think the cost of platinum is doable.
Yes I do.just bcoz it's not a precursor nor a reagent doesn't mean u don't have to buy a shit load of it.just bcoz itsIn this reaction, platinum is not a precursor nor a reagent. You know what a catalyst is, don't you ?
That is not a very good test when the impurities have the same solubility in acetone.Solubility of impurities in acetone to see if it dissolves away stuff that might be causing the meh effect to test the impurity theory.
Yes it does when the catalytic activity is high.just bcoz it's not a precursor nor a reagent doesn't mean u don't have to buy a shit load of it.
Tlc solvent is usually ethyl acetate and hexane I think.not 100% sure so double check it.@ThreePointCircle What solvents have you used with your TLC plates? I want to try column chromatography to clean my Meh-DMA and @sekio said that TLC solvent should work.
Platinum hydrogenation is used every now and then but imagine how much you'd need to reduce a ton of pmk.it would be a couple of kilos at least and on the mass production scale(hundreds of kg to tonnes) I don't think the cost of platinum is doable.if u can get tonnes of pmk u can just use HG/Al amalgam or sodium borohydride or do the leuckart rxn.no way your gunna buy hundreds of thousands of dollars of equipment and platinum metal to do what can be done easily for less money.i don't see platinum reduction being the culprit.
no i nether bothered to acutally taste them just throw it down your mouth with water. The only time i ever taste mdma is in the drip and less pure product that is usually quite a speedy high added to it tastes even worse than more pure product.Question for ravers who used product in the 90’s, maybe some of you possibly into the early 2000’s... Did the pills ever have a tangy taste to them? Was anything different to the taste back then.
-GC