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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

In regards to stories on people finding old pills…. I’ve looked high and low for these and found maybe 3 or so in my entire time looking. They all seem to point to 90’s pills being amazing.

Unfortunately there’s far too few of them to make anything out of the info we have.

And then we have the phenomenon of getting a tolerance to certain batches. I’ve personally experienced this many times. Get a new batch that I love and start using it for all my rolls, after 3-4 it starts to become not as great (no increase in frequency of use of course) but if I switch up between batches for each experience I don’t run into this problem. It’s almost like switching up the strains you use to keep a lower cannabis tolerance only difference is it makes sense with cannabis having so many varying psychoactive components. I can’t understand why we’d see something similar with MDMA unless there’s more variation between batches than some care to admit.

In the end lots of variables but until I join the ranks of those that can’t roll I’ll be doing what I do.

Oh BTW!! Idk if any of you remember that MDMA crystal I had that literally looked like a tooth with a nice natural crystal termination at the end looking almost like a piece of quartz. When held over paper o could read print through, it looked so pure I was skeptical but me and wife finally “bit into it” and my god was it a strong roll.

My wife takes a lot to really get rolling in that hard, “oh yea that girls flying” kind of way. This stuff really had her there.

Idk I keep thinking one day I’m going to stumble upon some mehDMA but I never do. I’ve had maybe 1-2 batches in the past 7-8yrs that came even close. Before that I did have more, but that’s when I was getting really impure stuff with lots of brown impurities in it. That stuff disappointed both myself and others. When you took it you kind of expected this chill dull roll, wasn’t bad but nowhere near as good.

That’s why I think it’s connects, cuz my stuff has only gotten better. I’ve also really “grown into myself” and have an amazing group of people I call friends that all seem to like to help each other out. We may not all eat MDMA at the same time together but if I’m need I can rely em for sure.

-GC
 
I keep thinking about the philipp plein & similar lol... Could you imagine? You travel to Switzerland for HVRDSTYLE HONKERZ 2022, pick up a nice european pressed pill that on its own weighs >500mg, tests fine on reagent, yet contains only 44mg of actual MDMA (complete w/ a 42mg helping of an inert, impeding or otherwise experience-coloring byproduct). Your whole crew would be a sleepy mess by 1am!! You'd need like 3 of the suckers at once to get a proper roll, and that's assuming the non-MDMA stuff is inert. With normal sized pupils as a stark reminder & contrast to (at least some of) the crowd around you, i'd be seriously bummed out. Didn't a lot of this discussion start around european mega-pillz that just suck ass? I'm checking drugsdata regularly like a crypto fiend.

Regarding crystal MDMA, I recall a lot of reddit hand-waiving around products that vary in appearance, texture, smell, etc. Often touting that its basic chemistry to know that even a micro imperfection can cause a pure transparent crystal to be sandy amber stank. But this is totally flawed, that doesn't mean the imperfection can't be great, just that the imperfections could in theory be negligible all the same.

Bahh, legalize this crap or at least make it legal enough that if you're resourceful you can source medical grade=D
 
I keep thinking about the philipp plein & similar lol... Could you imagine? You travel to Switzerland for HVRDSTYLE HONKERZ 2022, pick up a nice european pressed pill that on its own weighs >500mg, tests fine on reagent, yet contains only 44mg of actual MDMA (complete w/ a 42mg helping of an inert, impeding or otherwise experience-coloring byproduct). Your whole crew would be a sleepy mess by 1am!! You'd need like 3 of the suckers at once to get a proper roll, and that's assuming the non-MDMA stuff is inert. With normal sized pupils as a stark reminder & contrast to (at least some of) the crowd around you, i'd be seriously bummed out. Didn't a lot of this discussion start around european mega-pillz that just suck ass? I'm checking drugsdata regularly like a crypto fiend.

Regarding crystal MDMA, I recall a lot of reddit hand-waiving around products that vary in appearance, texture, smell, etc. Often touting that its basic chemistry to know that even a micro imperfection can cause a pure transparent crystal to be sandy amber stank. But this is totally flawed, that doesn't mean the imperfection can't be great, just that the imperfections could in theory be negligible all the same.

Bahh, legalize this crap or at least make it legal enough that if you're resourceful you can source medical grade=D
Is this likely to happen by say 2030?
 
Is this likely to happen by say 2030?
in BC we're getting there! https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/drug-decrim-threshold-1.6477327

"Canadians 18 years of age and older will be able to possess up to a cumulative 2.5 grams of opioids, cocaine, methamphetamine and MDMA within B.C. as of Jan. 31, 2023."

To my knowledge this is sort of already soft-implemented in Vancouver itself since the pandemic started & the opioid situation got way worse.

Wow, MDMA being seen as "hard drug" for so long finally paying off:laughing: the pigs here still "recommend charges" for all other substances.
 
in BC we're getting there! https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/drug-decrim-threshold-1.6477327

"Canadians 18 years of age and older will be able to possess up to a cumulative 2.5 grams of opioids, cocaine, methamphetamine and MDMA within B.C. as of Jan. 31, 2023."

To my knowledge this is sort of already soft-implemented in Vancouver itself since the pandemic started & the opioid situation got way worse.

Wow, MDMA being seen as "hard drug" for so long finally paying off:laughing: the pigs here still "recommend charges" for all other substances.
Let's hope that USA and UK follow
 
Right, so I wrote this:

Yes, it has, but I've seen very few (if any) comments that go right at that specific detail.

"It's not the same product."
"No, it's you."

And that's about it. How about "MDA works for me. 5-APB works for me. MDMA, not since whenever." That would be a less fuzzy comment less likely to be dismissed with "It's you."



We're at 6 years and 381 pages of discussion on this.

Differential experience across substances by one person has a lot of value. That's one brain and one set of neuroreceptors and -transmitter levels. One person who has very different experiences with two things that should do more or less the same thing. That's interesting. Is it the person or is it the substance?

I care a whole lot less about when MDMA "stopped working" than I do about whether or not a person reporting MehDMA also reports on whether or not another similar substance is still working for them. I have not seen a lot of that -- some, but certainly not a lot. I've read the entirety of these threads over years, so sorry if I forgot a helpful report of yours.

But the thread continues to generate a lot of posts like
- MDMA sucks today!
- No, it's you!
- Contamination! Test your shit!
- Labs can't detect shit! OMFG! Crooks!
and that seems to me like a rathole. Or like going in circles.

I'd like to think that zeroing in the responses within one individual to various serotonergic drugs would help resolve, in many minds whether or not current MDMA or an individual's specifics is the reason for most of the disappointed reports. Your receptors are fried or they ain't. You got good MDMA or you didn't. If you report a disappointing time, but you didn't reagent-test it, and you ate a pizza 15 min before dropping, and your friends had shitty times too, and it was the first time for all of you, that report has just as many questions as it does answers. If you can still get the desired serotonin response from another substance, but not from MDMA anymore, and you once were able to, that report has some heft. (The question of different neuroreceptors notwithstanding, it's still much closer to a reasonable point of inquiry and has carved away some possible issues and ambiguity.)

Maybe that's a lot of words; maybe it gives a better idea of what I'm on about here. In any case, it's a very polite request to provide supporting information when possible, going forward, and by that I mean your responses to things like MDA, 5-APB, 5-MAPB, 6-APB, etc., also. (I hadn't been thinking of 2C-B, but indigoaura mentioned it in an interesting way here a couple posts ago, so yeah.)

But 6 years and 381 pages later, here we are. Consensus has been achieved? lol, no. So I'm suggesting/reminding that the response of one individual to different serotonergic compounds is interesting, especially when they vary, and I would like to see more. For example, "MDMA and 5-APB worked for me, and now 5-APB does and MDMA doesn't, oh but hey my buddy just pulled a 1998 stash out of his ass and wow I'm rolling balls again" is a good anecdotal post for this topic. Yeah, they exist in the discussion; yeah, I'd still like to see more of those posts.
I hear you. We need a differential diagnosis here.
 
I think indigo was trying this a few years ago...?

Yes.

Actually, I have permanently added a DHEA topical cream to my pre-load regimen for MDMA. I also take oral DHEA regularly as part of my daily supplement routine. I take a very low dose of 2.5 mg orally per day.

The cream I have is a 20 mg topical cream. I did not need a prescription for it.

Boys may want to beware because it can boost both estrogen and testosterone levels.

I can't say that I notice an increase in euphoria, but I do think it makes the sex better.
 
Again respectfully, those of you who have had only MehDMA for many years on end now, taking far greater than your regular dose to compensate, what % chance do you set aside for that maybe you just can't roll? I think this is an important question to answer if we're being intellectually honest here.

I ask myself this constantly.

I have raised the dose to no avail.

For me, personally, I just want to see someone (ANYONE) rolling hard on the same product I cannot roll on. If I see that, I will be convinced it is me. But I have not seen anyone rolling hard like they should on any of the "meh" batches I have had around. And I have seen experienced and non-experienced people try these batches, including a few MDMA virgins who should have "blown up." This was particularly emphasized when my partner, who had taken a break of about 7 years, decided to roll with me and emphatically insisted it was not MDMA at all, and that I must be insane for thinking it was.

I'm not sure what to make of it.
 
Yea but ya can bullshit that or sign a disclaimer etc .
Lol, sign here once for your legally disclaimed uncontested thereforth right to an infinite pile of the puresf MDMA in amd on Earth.

I'm just saying a line would be drawn and it would not permit any real recreational expecially abuse level.
 
Lol, sign here once for your legally disclaimed uncontested thereforth right to an infinite pile of the puresf MDMA in amd on Earth.

I'm just saying a line would be drawn and it would not permit any real recreational expecially abuse level.
Viagra had a similar disclaimer when it moved from illegal to legal
 
Has anyone tried the pharmaceutical-grade MDMA they’re using in the trials? Presumably, that should be the good stuff. If that is not, then we’d have to suspect there was something additional, an adulterant, or an entourage effect that made the 80s stuff so good.
 
Has anyone tried the pharmaceutical-grade MDMA they’re using in the trials? Presumably, that should be the good stuff. If that is not, then we’d have to suspect there was something additional, an adulterant, or an entourage effect that made the 80s stuff so good.
No one has reported on here as far as I know. I assume the trial is for fairly low dose? And I'm guessing it's carefully controlled administration?
 
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