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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2
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unodelacosa
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So that's true – by the year 2000, there were some people on usenet dropping cynical comments claiming the rave scene was dead and blah³. There's always gonna be people like this, shitting on things that were supposedly better in the past whilst putting on their best, most affected sprezzatura. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Yeah I've been saying that too, and advising people keep looking until they find something that, firstly, has an amazing reputation and, secondly, lives up to said reputation.
Negi
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Was it crap MDMA (confirmed with at minimum a reagent test) or crap "ecstasy"? It also sounds like you were largely taking pills, where the unknown dosage also becomes a variable.
indigoaura
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For me, personally, this is another odd variation between magic and meh.
For the most part, the meh product leaves me feeling more physically sick in the days afterwards but with no notable diminished mood. No suicide Tuesday. I may feel nauseous, or have indigestion, or be dizzy. However, my mental state is normal.
Magic product did not produce that "ill" feeling but instead made me super emo and depressed, almost like clockwork 3-4 days later.
The product I have been using most (the 80% sample) does not really do either. It does not make me sick, but it also does not produce depression. I have a good time when I use it, but not what I would classify as a euphoric, magic experience.
Maybe it is all a spectrum between exceptionally clean MDMA with no byproducts/contaminants and very dirty MDMA with so many contaminants it makes you sick.
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Do you know if that library included MDDMA?
indigoaura
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So, I just got back a result from International Energy Control on a sample that I submitted. This is the language they are using now when they return the result:
So, they are basically spelling out that they are incapable of detecting certain synthesis impurities and putting it in writing on the results.
This sample came back as 85% MDMA with no other active ingredients. It is brown in appearance and turned Simon's Reagent purple instead of blue. It is OBVIOUSLY different than the white/clear sample I have which is 80% pure and turns Simon's Reagent blue.
So, we have two samples here, both tested by the same company and both apparently "MDMA Only." Both have 15-20% of inert or unidentified ingredients. Upon further questioning/testing, I know that the 80% sample also contained MDDMA which they were unable to quantify (and which we have talked about at length here). These samples produce visibly different results with Simon's Reagent. Yes, those visibly different results occur across multiple samples and tests.
So, the samples are different, but they come back the same through testing.
So, they are basically spelling out that they are incapable of detecting certain synthesis impurities and putting it in writing on the results.
This sample came back as 85% MDMA with no other active ingredients. It is brown in appearance and turned Simon's Reagent purple instead of blue. It is OBVIOUSLY different than the white/clear sample I have which is 80% pure and turns Simon's Reagent blue.
So, we have two samples here, both tested by the same company and both apparently "MDMA Only." Both have 15-20% of inert or unidentified ingredients. Upon further questioning/testing, I know that the 80% sample also contained MDDMA which they were unable to quantify (and which we have talked about at length here). These samples produce visibly different results with Simon's Reagent. Yes, those visibly different results occur across multiple samples and tests.
So, the samples are different, but they come back the same through testing.
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Energy Control is going to run the 84% MDMA sample again for me at double concentration. We'll see what they find.
unodelacosa
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Well then it sounds like the testing is suspect or of limited value. It's like I was saying: EC is not a reliable source of info, which is a real shame. I'm sure they mean well, but that doesn't help us.
Have you personally tried each batch of MDMA? If so, what are the qualitative differences between them? Are they both "meh"? Are either of them "magic"? I guess I'm asking what conclusions you draw from this, if any?
And I mean, how confident can we be that the people at EC know how to calibrate and run a GC-MS machine properly? I took just a cursory glance over their website's About Us section, and I don't see any ISO standards certifications or anything like that… smacks of amateur hour…
Honestly this does kinda sound like they don't have things calibrated.
indigoaura
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"It's like I was saying: EC is not a reliable source of info..."
This has been one of my primary points throughout these threads. People get offended because they think I am dissing harm reduction efforts - I am not. But the reality, as stated by IEC on their own website, is that they are not set up for super-detailed analysis of all byproducts and contaminants.
So, people send their products in to harm reduction labs and when the result is "MDMA" they assume that is all there is to it, but it is not that simple at all.
As for whether I have tried both samples...
I have used the 80% sample many times. Very familiar with it. It is very consistent. It is the best of the "meh" lot. No side effects or sickness. Not a lot of euphoria, tactile enhancement, or rush, but a pleasant and peaceful feeling.
I have not tried the 84% sample. I will try it next time and let everyone know what that one is like.
I am not drawing any conclusions here. I suspect maybe there is an additive/contaminant/byproduct causing the discoloration of the Simon's reagent for the 84% sample.
Le Junk
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So you’re saying that your pupils dilate all the way to the very edge with only a microscopic sliver of eye color remaining? That touch and feel (tactile function) is intensified 1000% where all you want to do is touch and feel on the skin of the person your with or touch and feel on anything soft? That flavors from candies or juices are intensified 1000% that you just can’t get enough? That love and empathy for everyone around you, even for those you normally dislike is flowing out of you like a newborn buddha? If so, consider yourself extremely lucky nowadays.
Dude, I swear the last time I rolled( Nov 7) after 2 years of no rolling. I ate one black/pink punisher pill with the NL stamp on the back.
Since the pandemic hit I stopped raving for a while and I have had MEH mdma before(plus I have over 10 years doing ecstasy so I know what real magic feels)
I had all the usual symptoms from a good roll:
Euphoria, I became very talkative, enhanced tactile sensitivity, I felt fluffy as fk, cozy.a Lil bit of jaw clenching, etc.
I'd put a score of 9/10 to those rolls, it would have been a 10/10 but the next day I felt like hungover all day but I think that has more to do with all the abuse I've done in the past.
What surprises me the most is that I'm super far away from the main X source(the Netherlands), I'm based in SA,
Perú but there's plenty of good pills around always.What actually is a problem rn is this pink powder that the call tussi* (supposedly 2cb) but that shit is anything but actual 2-cb. It's made in clandestine labs by colombian/Venezuelan Gangs. That shit looks nasty asf. It's increasingly becoming very popular in LATamerica to snort that gross chemical.
Kaden_Nite
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Lots of people, in fact, most people, will take MDMA and have experiences that fall far outside of that description, for better or worse.
It's not because there's something wrong with the MDMA.
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Set and setting.....just like LSD
indigoaura
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Set and setting.....just like LSD
That used to not really be the case. Hands down, and party that I attended in the early 00s had consistent effects throughout the party. If the dealer had supplied good product, then the whole party was lit. Everyone. There were not outliers who were having a bland time. There were not people sitting in a corner complaining that they just weren't catching the vibe.
indigoaura
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Went down a research rabbit hole yesterday reading about Oxytocin. Came upon a reddit thread where people were discussing the effects of intranasal oxytocin.
What I found interesting was the description that one user supplied of how the oxytocin hits them.
The user also comments on benefits with sex.
Makes me wonder if the oxytocin flush is what I recall from the "coming up" phase of good MDMA.
What I found interesting was the description that one user supplied of how the oxytocin hits them.
The user also comments on benefits with sex.
Makes me wonder if the oxytocin flush is what I recall from the "coming up" phase of good MDMA.
Le Junk
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Actually that’s incorrect. No one and I mean no one has experiences outside of what I outlined on the MDMA crystalline powder that I get from CA and have ever since the 1980’s. No one ever has. And no one that I’ve ever known or partied with over a 30 year period ever had experiences outside of what I outlined in the pure MDMA available anywhere else until 2010 either. it all took a crap in 2010 and has ever since. Oh and it doesn’t matter If you do my shit by yourself in the middle of an open cornfield or at a rave with thousands of people, the experiences for myself and everyone else is always the same every single time. Massive love and empathy and touch and feel, massive eye wiggles, complete pupil dilation and warmness from head to toe. No excuses or apologies ever. If it’s not every single thing that I described then there’s something wrong with the MDMA.
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There's still outstanding MDMA don't worry lols.
Kaden_Nite
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You mean the MDMA powder that you've never produced a sample of for testing? The stuff made by your 'chemist friend' who can't even provide a basic analysis of his product or contribute some simple tests of the problematic imitation MDMA that you claim has flooded the world.
Sorry, but that's all bullshit, and I'm not going to be lectured on the effects of quality product by someone who started a thread complaining about their MDMA and has continued to do so for five years.
Your attitude regarding MDMA (and drugs in general) is unbelievably ignorant and doesn't at all reflect the realities of long term use, side effects or personal variability. Keep telling yourself that MDMA is some perfect drug with no potential downsides if you want, but don't give me that crap.
Kaden_Nite
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Sure. Plus a host of metabolic, physiological, psychological, neurological and perceptual factors.Set and setting.....just like LSD
Your description of MDMA matches the majority of reports I've read from the past 25 years.
Oddly, MDMA can have polar opposite effects to those you listed. The same mechanisms that cause energy, euphoria, openness and a desire to socialise can cause lethargy, dysphoria, apathy and retreatism.
Unfortunately, when someone has an experience on MDMA that falls outside of desirable effects, there is a troubling discourse on online communities from certain users quick to claim fake or adulterated product as the culprit. While this is possible, it's often not the case. When lab testing confirms that MDMA was the drug taken, the labs get blamed for fake news.
When numerous attempts, using different batches from various sources all result in undesirable effects, the obvious answer (that it's not a suitable drug for that person) is overlooked in favour of this dangerous narrative; that it must be the drug's fault.
Kaden_Nite
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Something that became apparent to me the first time I had MDMA, was it's ability to make other people seem like they were totally, 100%, on the same wavelength as me. When I was glowing, flowing with energy and enjoying myself a great deal, it seemed like everyone in the place was right there with me. Groups of strangers seemed welcoming, every word spoken sounded an important sentiment with deep philosophical meaning behind it.
Through reading reports in this thread, I see that there is a very real inverse to that; when somebody has taken MDMA, and is having a negative experience, they still project that onto their surroundings and the people in it. Groups seem cliquey, every word is coded with spite and resent.
It's crazy to me that people believe hundreds of milligrams of MDMA could be incapable of ever inducing such negativity. Blasphemy!.. but a grain or two of some unfound micro-impurity leftover after synthesis - that's the reason an experience with powerful psychoactive drugs didn't go the way predicted.
Unfortunately such experiences are rarely the focus of academic study, so the minority who are most susceptible to these inverse effects are often written off as a percentage who didn't respond well AND their stories are never told.
I've followed this thread closely and can see that MDMA simply isn't friendly to some people, even if it was, at an earlier time.
Through reading reports in this thread, I see that there is a very real inverse to that; when somebody has taken MDMA, and is having a negative experience, they still project that onto their surroundings and the people in it. Groups seem cliquey, every word is coded with spite and resent.
It's crazy to me that people believe hundreds of milligrams of MDMA could be incapable of ever inducing such negativity. Blasphemy!.. but a grain or two of some unfound micro-impurity leftover after synthesis - that's the reason an experience with powerful psychoactive drugs didn't go the way predicted.
Unfortunately such experiences are rarely the focus of academic study, so the minority who are most susceptible to these inverse effects are often written off as a percentage who didn't respond well AND their stories are never told.
I've followed this thread closely and can see that MDMA simply isn't friendly to some people, even if it was, at an earlier time.