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What is wrong with the MDMA available today? - v2

Le Junk said:
I started doing blow when it was an enjoyable drug and started making my own In the early 2000s once good blow became a thing of the past. I’m going to tell you this even though you obviously already know the answer…cocaine is a wonderful drug. Conversation flows like newborn Buddhas, extremely animalistic sexually, you can see for miles, a complete feeling of euphoria and a feeling of being on top of the world, better than anyone else, as good as it gets, a complete contradiction to the blow available on the streets today.
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It happened to cocaine and now it’s happened to ecstasy.
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I find this bit interesting as many people in the thread have used the claim that the effects of no other drug have substantially changed for them over the years to discount the possibility of tolerance/age related issues. It isn't entirely clear from your post, are you able to "make your own" cocaine that retains the same effects as before, or is all the cocaine you try these days substantially inferior to what you had used in your youth?

Does anyone else have a similar experience with cocaine?
 
Negi said:
I find this bit interesting as many people in the thread have used the claim that the effects of no other drug have substantially changed for them over the years to discount the possibility of tolerance/age related issues. It isn't entirely clear from your post, are you able to "make your own" cocaine that retains the same effects as before, or is all the cocaine you try these days substantially inferior to what you had used in your youth?

Does anyone else have a similar experience with cocaine?
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I do not personally use cocaine. However, I have a friend who had similar complaints about the diminishing quality of cocaine in the USA. Then, he vacationed in south America and tried cocaine that was very close to the source and freshly prepared. He was completely taken aback by the quality of that cocaine and said it was euphoric and mindblowing and that the USA supply does not come remotely close. He said it felt like a different drug.

This could be explained by people "stepping on" the supply and adding fillers and cuts, of course. However, I don't doubt that this guy had ample opportunity to try various US products, as he is fairly well connected.
 
I’ve used cocaine from 04 to now, in my opinion it’s the same drug now as it was then. All that has changed is the cuts, but when purified it feels the same if not better cuz there’s less cuts then mid 00’s. People that think all drugs have changed, have themselves changed…

Cocaine tolerance comes on quick and can take months/years to dissipate.

-GC
 
G_Chem said:
I’ve used cocaine from 04 to now, in my opinion it’s the same drug now as it was then. All that has changed is the cuts, but when purified it feels the same if not better cuz there’s less cuts then mid 00’s. People that think all drugs have changed, have themselves changed…
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I'm trying to remember, I glanced at a few of your posts from near the front of the thread, but it looks like you are also still getting all the expected results from MDMA as well? Have you ever personally consumed something in the vein of "mehDMA" (tests as MDMA but has abnormal results at known doses)?
 
Negi said:
I'm trying to remember, I glanced at a few of your posts from near the front of the thread, but it looks like you are also still getting all the expected results from MDMA as well? Have you ever personally consumed something in the vein of "mehDMA" (tests as MDMA but has abnormal results at known doses)?
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I’ve had a few experiences but I can’t definitively say because I always move on to a new batch when that happens. The one time that really matched a lot of descriptions was a time I got some SoCal presses imported to me that were known to be supposedly good. While I didn’t personally lab test I did use 4 reagents (of which I’ve been testing for myself and others for over a decade) and saw nothing but positive lab results from others.

Upon ingestion both myself and a few others noticed the bitterness was for lack of a better description “different” than usual. The effect in a way matched what I’ve seen here, shorter duration with mongy unloving effects.

That said I don’t have a horse in this race at this point. I’ll be back here if/when my MDMA starts disappointing me. I know for sure that MDMA batches vary but I’m not claiming anything beyond that.

-GC
 
indigoaura said:
I do not personally use cocaine. However, I have a friend who had similar complaints about the diminishing quality of cocaine in the USA. Then, he vacationed in south America and tried cocaine that was very close to the source and freshly prepared. He was completely taken aback by the quality of that cocaine and said it was euphoric and mindblowing and that the USA supply does not come remotely close. He said it felt like a different drug.

This could be explained by people "stepping on" the supply and adding fillers and cuts, of course. However, I don't doubt that this guy had ample opportunity to try various US products, as he is fairly well connected.
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Trust me, I live in 🇵🇪Perú, good cocaine is a different fucking game altogether.
 
G_Chem said:
I’ve had a few experiences but I can’t definitively say because I always move on to a new batch when that happens. The one time that really matched a lot of descriptions was a time I got some SoCal presses imported to me that were known to be supposedly good. While I didn’t personally lab test I did use 4 reagents (of which I’ve been testing for myself and others for over a decade) and saw nothing but positive lab results from others.

Upon ingestion both myself and a few others noticed the bitterness was for lack of a better description “different” than usual. The effect in a way matched what I’ve seen here, shorter duration with mongy unloving effects.

That said I don’t have a horse in this race at this point. I’ll be back here if/when my MDMA starts disappointing me. I know for sure that MDMA batches vary but I’m not claiming anything beyond that.

-GC
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Man, tbh I don't know what the fuss is all bout this thread. There's good mdma and awful rc whatever the fuck is in that powder Mdma. Same with pills. It all depends on your connects, I'm still getting good pills despite all these years of lousy shitty rolls CONSPIRACY.... your sources must be real bad, that's it. Especially in the US market, u guys got the shittiest heroin(that's 99% fent) and the shittiest X Pills(no offense btw....)
 
Stop sourcing in this thread please for the love of God.
 
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@Rectify Dude stop with the off topic spam in this posts and others. In the past couple days you have posted off topic diatribes, spam, and yes, homophobic slurs. When you get back, any more off topic posts will result in more points on your record, I don't care anymore I'm tired of cleaning up your posts.

You've been here far long enough, I'm sure you've figured out what the rules are, and if you can't contribute productively, refrain from contributing.
 
deficiT said:
@Rectify Dude stop with the off topic spam in this posts and others. In the past couple days you have posted off topic diatribes, spam, and yes, homophobic slurs. When you get back, any more off topic posts will result in more points on your record, I don't care anymore I'm tired of cleaning up your posts.

You've been here far long enough, I'm sure you've figured out what the rules are, and if you can't contribute productively, refrain from contributing.
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Thank you so much, rectify at this point is just nothing but a massive troll riding on the fact he’s been here so long to get away with most all of it. Shit drives me crazy and just adds to the garbage pile of misinformation. Glad to see some feet being put down so to speak!

-GC
 
Fractal Crew said:
This of any use? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methylenedioxydimethylamphetamine


Sounds like it may be an impurity.
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Hi, MDDMA (or MDDM) has been discussed quite a bit on here as in this paper it was found to interfere with MDMA action. @indigoaura messaged the lead author and he thought it being a cause of the problem was plausible and gestimated something like at the 20% level (not sure if that was of whole sample, or MDMA:MDDMA < 4:1, but it was a guess anyway).

There's a couple of other possible candidates as well, see here.

The interesting thing is that @indigoaura did the simon's reagent test and it was blue on the one the IEC found MDDMA in, but purple in the one they labelled as just MDMA. Blue should be the reaction for just MDMA as far as I can tell.

After my ramblings, it was discussed at length, and to a more sophisticated level in this thread.
 
G_Chem said:
Hope your NYE going well Indigo, and that batch hopefully got you lit like I am right now :)

-GC
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I wish!

A word to any readers or lurkers in the thread - if the MDMA turns Simon's purple, don't eat it. Just don't.

Whatever the issue is with this sample, it resulted in vomiting off and on for TWO HOURS. I could not move from the couch without vomiting, I could not walk up or down the stairs, I couldn't do anything. There were multiple incidents where I basically had to vomit in my mouth and run to a toilet. Gross.

My partner kept saying that I did not look right, that something seemed wrong. I didn't look in a mirror until later, but my face was swollen underneath both of my eyes. Seemed like an allergic response.

None of this is remotely typical for me or normal. It goes without saying that this batch did not produce euphoria, tactile enhancement, or music enhancement.

Here is another weird data point - my heart rate dropped significantly when the MDMA hit. I had been on a half dose of 2CB, and my resting heart rate was running fairly high for me at 110 to 125 BPM. Typically, when sober, my heart rate is about 80 BPM while resting. Once the "MDMA" hit, my heart rate rapidly dropped to 85. So, the stimulated energy of the 2CB was completely, 100% muted by this sample. Isn't this the opposite of what is supposed to occur? Doesn't MDMA slightly increase your resting heart rate?
 
Sorry that you had to go through that. What really annoys me is out of the two samples, this is the one that IEC passed as 'pure', finding the mddma in the other sample.

So in other words, reagent testing spotted an issue but the lab didn't spot anything.

I know you must be pissed off, but maybe report it to IEC and see what they have to say for themselves, highlighting the effects and Simon's test.
 
ThreePointCircle said:
Sorry that you had to go through that. What really annoys me is out of the two samples, this is the one that IEC passed as 'pure', finding the mddma in the other sample.

So in other words, reagent testing spotted an issue but the lab didn't spot anything.

I know you must be pissed off, but maybe report it to IEC and see what they have to say for themselves, highlighting the effects and Simon's test.
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I am getting to the point where I just believe IEC is just not an accurate lab. I already asked them to re-test, and they did. Both times they could not see anything other than MDMA. There is 16% of the sample unaccounted for, however. What is in the 16%? Obviously, it was something that did not agree with me, personally. It may have been an "inert" ingredient that I was simply allergic to, that is possible.
 
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