Opioids Ultimate Poppy Pod/Seed Tea Mega Merged Thread III

[Ohayou]

Allow to report on my first experience with PPT.

I used 5 very large pods (tennis ball size or larger) and brewed it with half a lemon's juice. I ran it through a coffee brewer 3 or 4 times (after bledning them into powder) and ended up with 1.5 cups of liquid. I drank 0.5 cup to gauge the potency and waited an hour. I did feel minor euphoria at about 20 minutes but it was so mild...I went ahead and downed the rest, this was so difficult.

it tasted like urine, vomit, really bad breath in liquid form, and of course lemon. I was amazed I didn't vomit. It's been an hour since I drank it all and I don't feel much at all, but maybe it will kick in soon. Keep in mind I have a tolerance from years of bupe use and have been off of it for weeks but have been using loperamide for WD.

If I don't feel anything soon I'll be disappointed but will try using my other 5 pods in a few days after lope is out of my system, that may be the problem. I'll update this post if I ever feel a high. So far I'm not impressed in the least.

NOTE: My pupils are pretty constricted, so I definitely ingested some opiates...just not feeling it, and I really am sensitive to opioid highs and really love them so if I should be able to sense a high if there is one.

UPDATE: Okay about 1.5 hours since I downed the greater part of the tea and I am very subtley buzzed, only euphoria, no relaxation or warmth like I'd expect. Maybe comparable to 5mg of hydrocodone, very very weak. I'll just try the rest of my pods in a few days I guess.

I'd like to try evaporating off more water so I have to only drink like 1 shot or something. Please let me know how this could work, it seems like that would be much easier. Also, could you not just theoretically boil it down to a semi-solid and smoke/IV it? Anything would beat drinking that putrid stuff. I really could use some advice here.

ANOTHER UPDATE: Okay...now I am eating the damp grounds, this is a lot easier than drinking the tea, but there is probably 100 grams of this stuff and I will probably only be able to ingest 1/6th of it tops. I'll report if I get a boost from it. Another note, I'm very itchy, slightly euphoric, but i really want a body high/nod. Can you OD without going into a nod?

+4 HOURS: Whoa, I think it has peaked. I am SO itchy, and my pupils are BB sized, not pinpricks. I am a little more euphoric, but its not even close to how high I would get on methadone or oxy. That may be tolerance though from all the bupe for years. I am eating the grounds I used to make the tea, I am still waiting for that warm, wrapped in cotton body high or a nod, I'm just not getting there, and that's the only reason opiates appeal to me. This high seems to be pretty stimulating, more so than buprenorphine is to me. I probably won't be able to sleep.

When I used to use alprazolam (combined with bupe and sometimes amphetamine) I would only feel the high when I would lie down and close my eyes and let my mind drift off. It was really powerful when I did that...could this be the same way?

+8 HOURS: After eating the grounds I became very euphoric, almost as much as I would be on a large dose of methadone (the rx variety for pain) without a tolerance. A very good euphoric high with insane itchiness...unfortunately, no body high with warmth, nodding etc. I will definitely use poppies again...if I can get the crap down that is.

 

[InterzoneAgent]

Codeine cannot be converted into morphine. Maybe you got confused with the unreacted morphine left in diacetyl morphine (I've been wrong before though but I'm pretty sure about this.)

Would a chemistry major please chime in and tell us why lowering the pH with lemon juice would make a more potent teas, converting some actives into a more bioavailable form...or something? How? Why?

I meant what happens inside your body, altering the pharmacokinetics of codeine with GFJ:

Codeine is metabolized in liver by two enzymes; CYP3A4 and CYP2D6. CYP2D6 turns part of the ingested codeine into morphine thus producing the analgesic and euphoric effects. CYP3A4 on the other hand metabolizes part of the codeine into not so active norcodeine. Grapefruit juice is CYP3A4 enzyme inhibitor and when it's juice is drank before drinking the poppy tea it will block the CYP3A4 enzyme from converting codeine to norcodeine thus directing more codeine to be metabolized by the CYP2D6 pathway into morphine (which we want). Hope this cleared things up...

edit. The potency gain wont be probably anything dramatic since poppy tea contains mainly morphine and lesser amounts of codeine. But if i take codeine on it's own the difference in potency when taken with GFJ vs without is huge! Some people can be naturally poor or extensive metabolizers in regards of CYP2D6 enzyme activity and thus codeine can have very different effects potency wise for them.

 

[InterzoneAgent]

I'd like to try evaporating off more water so I have to only drink like 1 shot or something. Please let me know how this could work, it seems like that would be much easier. Also, could you not just theoretically boil it down to a semi-solid and smoke/IV it? Anything would beat drinking that putrid stuff. I really could use some advice here.

ANOTHER UPDATE: Okay...now I am eating the damp grounds, this is a lot easier than drinking the tea, but there is probably 100 grams of this stuff and I will probably only be able to ingest 1/6th of it tops. I'll report if I get a boost from it. Another note, I'm very itchy, slightly euphoric, but i really want a body high/nod. Can you OD without going into a nod?

When I used to use alprazolam (combined with bupe and sometimes amphetamine) I would only feel the high when I would lie down and close my eyes and let my mind drift off. It was really powerful when I did that...could this be the same way?

Yes you can boil it down to as little amount as you like. After you have filtered the grounds out from the tea just let the water evaporate off with appropriate heat until satisfied with the amount. Don't boil it however, as this might destroy the alkaloids. Make it so that you clearly see water vapour rising but no bubbles. I have sometimes evaporated the water completely out. But it's better to leave the alkaloids dissolved in small amount of water as oposed to eating the leftover sludge. That way it will come up faster as the goods don't have to dissolve again in the stomach.

Definitely don't IV it, it's far far away from anything sterile! And i think the general consensus is that smoking it is not worth even trying. You would need the opium latex harvested from fresh pods for that ROA.

In case of OD'ing i think it would be pretty uncomfortable with slowly nodding off while being also very nauseous. Try increasing your dose by few pods each time, but don't redose until completely sober from last high (and familiar with your response to the particular batch of pods), as poppy tea is very long lasting.

If you're not getting strong enough effects maybe the pods are of weak variety or it just takes few tries to get familiar with the effects of pods to learn to appreciate their high as it is with other opiates.

As you said, closing eyes and lying down (maybe listening to some music) is definitely recommended! It usually makes me notice the high much better!

 

[Ohayou]

"Codeine is also demethylated by reaction with pyridine to illicitly synthesize morphine, which can then be acetylated to make heroin (diacetylmorphine)."

Hey look! Looks like I was wrong after all!

To InterZoneAgent:

Thanks, it turns out I got very high, although it seemed to take 6 hours to get there.

 

[spacejunk]

opium is like a natural cocktail of substances.
unlike synthesised opiates, or pure pharmaceuticals like morphine, you are consuming a lot of alkaloids when you consume it.
this is why it lasts so long - it takes the body a long time to process so many chemicals.
the thing about ODing on opium is that you can't just assume it is the same as other opiates you are familiar with - it is very different.
there comes a point where comparisons are worthless - they're different things.
i am more experienced with opium than other opiates, and i can tell you that opium is a self-regulating drug. yes, i'm sure you could fatally overdose on it, but you would have to be either combining it with some other depressant drug, or actively trying to do yourself harm.
i have had several accidental overdoses, and they make you very, very sick.
one time i had a second dose within a day when i clearly shouldn't have. oops - i was vomiting, shivering, had a pounding headache and drifting in and out of a strange nightmarish dream state for over 24 hours.

another time, i washed the opium sap that had dried on a canvas bag i'd used to harvest a lot of pods. i've done this successfully since, but the first time i did it, i didn't realise that it was many (5+ i guess) doses, and simply drank the solution i'd washed off the bags.
i spent the first few hours euphorically high, then the sickness hit, and i had similar effects to what i described above - puking, weak, sweaty - almost like acute withdrawal (!) except i was high as shit. absolute agony though, no fun at all, and it lasted for like a day and a half. a real waste of a day off work. i couldn't sleep (because of the throbbing headache) and i couldn't get comfortable - i would practically crawl to the bathroom to throw up every so often.

what i'm trying to illustrate is that yes, you can OD, but that the effects of ODing are probably your body purging what you put into it and stopping you consuming any more. it is an unpleasant experience - and while it probably could result in death in certain circumstances, it's not like heroin or fentanyl or any of the pharmaceutical opiates to overdose on.
before morphine was isolated from opium in the first place, there wasn't a huge problem with opium overdose. it is the extracted, highly concentrated opiates that are particularly dangerous for this.

i should point out that overdose (and risk of death) is a lot more likely if you've taken other downers.
don't mix opiates with benzos or alcohol.

also, rather than worrying about OD, just consume your opium slowly.
it can take a couple of hours to kick in, and unlike some opiates, you can redose very effectively. rather than overdoing it and having a shit time, see how much you can get out of small amounts. pods can be hard to find, depending on where you are in the world, so it's not the kind of thing you want to develop a raging habit with. just think - you could have several nice highs out of a dose of pods, or you could overdo it, get sick and waste them.
"you can always redose" is a good mantra, i think.

just quickly, i'll share my preferred method of consuming pods.
i put a handful of pods into my blender with a bit of grapefruit juice. i blend them down nice and fine, and strain the juice into a bowl. i don't heat anything - i just drink the juice.
i then have the wet grinds left over. i usually don't wash these down with the juice itself, as the taste and texture tends to induce a feeling of nausea, or at least the gag reflex (even though i love the taste of poppy pods) so i usually wash them down with a glass of water some time after drinking the juice.
if i am feeling a little dopesick, or i don't have many pods, i'll often drink the grinds down straight after the juice in order to get maximum effect, but sometimes if i leave it an hour or so it can be a nice little extra redose kick.
the great thing for me about consuming the ground pods is that aside from increasing the amount of alkaloids you are ingesting (practically all of them) it is also a good amount of fibre. fibre, obviously, is something that prevents constipation - the junkie's arch nemesis. i consume pods seasonally (each spring) and this year i ate all the grinds i made tea from, and unlike previous years, i had no problems with my digestive system.
i think of opium as the nature's perfect self-regulating substance. you have to respect it - don't underestimate it - but it is a wonderful thing if you know how to use it right.

 

[Tommyboy]

Poppy tea is definitely one of the longest lasting highs, and the peak both takes long to start, and continues for a long period of time. It is definitely one of the easier drugs to get higher than you want on, by thinking that you need to re-dose after an hour or so when in actuality it has not peaked yet. I also find it to be one of those drugs that does not increase in euphoria linearly with the dose, ie double the dose does not mean you will feel twice the euphoria.

 

[spacejunk]

^ yep, i absolutely agree.
thats the mistake people can make, especially if they are more accustomed to pharm opiates. you need to find the 'sweet spot' which is why you should dose as low as you can, and work your way up really slowly if you need to.
it is pointless to talk about how many pods you are eating (the size varies DRAMATICALLY) but i usually find a tablespoon or two of grinds is plenty. i imagine this would probably be only one (or less?) "tennis ball" sized pod.
tolerances from other substances may vary a lot though.
but you're right - it is easy to have too much, and if you do, it is unforgiving. many, many hours of sickness and discomfort.

 

[Timland]

I find that only the pods with higher thebaine content produce decent euphoria. Otherwise, its a dull euphoria with a LOT of sedation. Call me crazy but despite riding the opioid train for 2 years now I don't like nodding. I like being pepped up with euphoria. lol.

I also found that when I took cimetidine and/or white grapefruit juice to inhibit that one enzyme, it would potentiate the morphine too much and ruin the thebaine for me -- giving me a nod but less euphoria.

 

[Tommyboy]

spacejunk: The last time I did pods, I found myself laying in bed, unable to feel my body much at all. I was laying on my back, with my legs bent so that my feet were flat on the bed, closer to my bum, and my knees higher in the air. Normally that would be a pain to be in that position for long, but I had overdone it, and no pain was felt. My friend had a glass of tea and got sick from it, but my tolerance thankfully kept me from getting too sick. I still got a very bad head ache the next day, and needed to sleep it off since I had made myself stay awake until it started to wear off so that I knew I would be o.k. to fall asleep.

It's really best to buy a large amount, so that you can figure out that 'sweet spot' for that particular batch. As you said, the size varied dramatically, as does potency, so you basically go back to the drawing board with each batch, trying to find that sweet spot, without overdoing it that first time with the new batch. The amount to get to that sweet spot is only good for that batch though, which is why I say it is best to buy in bulk when it comes to pods. There lies the other issue in knowing and trusting your source, but that discussion is outside the realm of BL. At least in the good ol' days of eBay, the feedback was an excellent indicator of at least knowing that you weren't going to be ripped off, and if you were, it was the last time they would be able to do that.

Timland: I have never known the thebaine content of my poppy pods, but I'm sure that I would be the same way as you. I find the thebaine derived opioids to be the most euphoric, whereas I find morphine to be the least euphoric, so it would only make sense that I prefer pods with a high content of thebaine.

 

[spacejunk]

^ that's a good point about finding the sweet spot.
one of the variables about pod tea is that each pod could be of greatly varying potency. even if they all came from the same box, you really can't tell if they'll be the same strength. a dose one day could be not enough - next time you could have the same weight of pods and find it is too much.
one harm reduction strategy i have heard of, in order to minimise the potential problems associated with this is to take all of the pods you have and grind them together at the same time, making a homogenous mix.
this way, you will have far less variability in dosing, as well as being able to measure your doses with a lot more accuracy.
if you are dosing with intact pods, you might count them, or grab a 'handful', but this can vary dramatically in weight (thus alkaloid content) as well. if you have a container of powdered pods - rather than a box of whole pods - you can dose with a spoon or similar measure, which is much more accurate. this method is especially useful if you are trying to be strict about your dosing, especially if you are trying to taper.

 

[Tommyboy]

^ That makes sense. When I get a batch and am making tea, I usually use a variety of sized within the box. This way if the strength varies a bit by size, it should equal out if I am using the smaller, medium, and larger size ones that I got in the batch, and doing so for each brew afterwards.

Just to clarify, I don't mean mixing large, and jumbo pods. I mean that get one batch of a particular size, and use the different sized ones in that size group (ie on the small end of jumbo, the average jumbo size, and the larger of the jumbos) in an attempt to basically do as you described, in trying to make a homogenous mixture.

 

[spacejunk]

yeah, to be honest i do the same.
i don't have the option to buy pods - i grow them and dry as many as i can for the following months - but the method i described could be quite useful for a lot of people, i think. for inexperienced users particularly, the variation in potency could be an issue. my biggest problem has always had more to do with the discipline of keeping them.

 

[Timland]

Yea I dont have a way of measuring thebaine either. I just assume its the thebaine because oxycodone gives me a subjective stimulative experience and the metabolite of thebaine - oripavine behaves extremely similar to oxycodone in the brain.

IME, the sweeter more "cough syrup" type smell the pods have the more likely they are to give the oxycodone-like experience. These also have a darker color sometimes even purple. These are almost always the drier climate / desert grown ones vs the more humid non-desert ones (without getting into specifics) that don't have a sweet smell, and are much more pale in color.

I always do two washes whether the pods are weak or not. The second wash always yields enough alkaloids to maintain physically (but not satiate psychological cravings) for me when the discomfort sets in 24-36 hours later. Ah the golden days when I could go 3 days before the restless legs set in.

Memantine and ULDN is prying and giving me more wiggle room slowly but surely. It has increased the analgesia I get from pods but not the euphoria.

And yes, when I sleep on pod tea I can sleep on my back for hours with zero discomfort, but I pay the price after coming down. Normally, if I sleep on my back I get backpain in the lower back. I usually stay awake for the entire 18-30 hours of the plateau anyway though. When I got a non-noddy experience going opioids wire me up not down -- and I won't even think about sleep for the duration. I'll be focused on whatever I am doing like a laser. No wonder patent medicines of ye olde corner druggist days just contained either ethanol, opium, and/or cocaine. I must also note that if I had a cold or flu in these 2 years of using I did not notice it --- whats up with THAT? Coincidence? Hehe. Maybe the high dopamine levels ward off colds. Shrug.

EDIT: Glad to see a VU / Lou Reed fan in this thread. Eyes went O_O seeing that avatar.

 

[spacejunk]

Yea I dont have a way of measuring thebaine either. I just assume its the thebaine because oxycodone gives me a subjective stimulat
EDIT: Glad to see a VU / Lou Reed fan in this thread. Eyes went O_O seeing that avatar.

ha! you're the first person to comment on that! cheers

 

[Tommyboy]

I'm not that big on doing a second was unless it is the same day, or if I have made a few batches with friends, and people that I don't really care for try getting in on the 'tea party,' then I make theirs out of a used batch. You really need to do the second was the same day as the first, as the pods get pretty nasty after only a day of the first wash. Phew, and if you thought they tasted bad fresh, wait til the day after a wash.

I'm always up until the next morning after a day of opiates, no matter which ones I take. Why do you think I'm still up right now?

 

[Ohayou]

PPT has a very stimulating effect on me too, although I wish it was more nodful. The itching also makes sleeping even more impossible.

 

[Benzopiates]

Poppy Seed Tea Question.

Hey guys, I just went to the supermarket and made thoses morons look for poppy seeds for 20 mins before they found out it was on the spice section... they were only selling little boxes of very fine black poppy seeds in amount of 58g

I bough all they had (7 of them)

So this makes 385g (0.85 pound)

I took an empty SCOPE bottle... poured the seeds all in from a metal funnel and it filled the bottle 1/3 just with seeds...

I then added cold tap water... approx 400ml but i didnt calculated and I added like 50ml of lemon juice and mixed throughly for 2 minutes... let it settle, mix 1 more minute, let it sit 5 more minutes.

then i used the funnel and a coffee filter and i put as much water as i could withough putting seeds on and when i was at the seed section i just took 2 coffee filter and blocked the exit of the scope bottle with them, then put the bottle upside down on the funnel and squeezed until theere was no liquid left...

I got 80-90% of a 500ml empty water bottle filled with a yellowish(probly from lemon juice) and a very slight bit pale brownish liquid that I drank in 1 go, it did taste bad, but not as bad as a CWE of codeine. The only thing is that the taste lingers for hours after u drank it.

To resume my experience, Id say i definately feel something, but for the amount i use, and the batch i bough from the store, i'm feeling lesser effects than that of a 1mg snorted dilaudid but probably more "nod effect" and it seems like it's gonna last for longer than what 1mg dilaudid snorted would last.

The thing is now, after I've done that, do I throw away the seeds, as i know morphine/codeine/thebaine water solubility is very high, is it a waste to taste that awfullness again if i redo it tomorrow with thoses same seeds or I should just throw it in the trash?

Also if you wanna try this, dont buy small quantity of popppy, lesson learned, buying from 58g packs costed near 20$ CAN for a little less than a pound... Next up I wanna probably refine my methods of doing this and trying pods next.

Probly harder to find yea, but not as hard as dilaudid / morphine / OC is.

Hope this post was informative a bit, and you can answer my question i'll check the results tomorrow as i'm going to sleep. Cya.

 

[spacejunk]

if you're going to re-wash, do it within an hour or so. the seeds tend to go mouldy very quickly.
also, the quicker you wash them, in my (extensive!) experience, the better.

the key is to wash the alkaloids coating the seeds off - without giving the seeds time to soften and absorb moisture. when the seeds soften up they both absorb your tea (and the good) stuff, and foul up the water with oils and bad tasting gunk.

there is nothing worth extracting inside the seeds, so in some ways, the faster you do it, the better.
if you don't leave it sitting, and don't sit there waiting - just pour in liquid and shake/stir furiously - it will work well and taste better.

my personal method (using two bowls and a strainer) is to do one wash with grapefruit juice, then two further washes with cold water, and mix it all together.

 

[Ohayou]

Making the tea is so much easier each time, experience is the best teacher. However, I think I drank a moldy pod, what could be the consequences of doing this?

 

[Ohayou]

Maybe you should try warm water instead, and use more seeds, if you can get them cheaper that is...