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UFOs & Aliens The UFO & Aliens Megathread

Negentropic said:
Mods: I'm not sure if this belongs here or in the science forum. Personally I'd say science. Others would say pseudoscience. Not sure? I say science.

Hello and welcome. This thread is to talk about anything UFO, aliens and extra dimensional mechanical space elves

This is a space to discuss, share encounters and debunk phenomenon.

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First, let's talk about UFOs and/or aliens. Whether or not you believe aliens exist, the facts are incontrovertible that UFOs are a real phenomenon. The US gov is taking them very seriously, always has been and recently announced they have a program called AATIP (Advanced Aerial Threat Identification Program). The pentagon itself released 3 different videos of fighter pilots chasing UFOs and tracking them.



You can see all 3 clips (which are all longer) in this news segment.

I don't know how people can still deny the existence of UFOs. However, whether or not they are aliens from another galaxy is uncertain. We simply have no idea what they are... or if you are a true believer then you believe we have alien reproduction vehicles, we have dead alien bodies and have even made contact.

Here is one of my personal UFO sightings, the one that was extremely convincing:

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I was standing outside in the San Francisco area smoking a cigarette about 8 years ago. I was completely sober, and this is before all my mental issues, so I know it wasn't a hallucination for sure.

1. I see a light in the sky. At first I thought it was a plane, because it was similar brightness and speed, however what caught my eye is it did not have the blinking navigation light that most planes have. I couldn't tell if it was moving towards me or upwards, or both, but it was moving in a line towards my general direction.
2. Then I notice what I knew was a plane, coming in from the right perpendicularly. I jokingly thought "Oh no, they might crash" because it looked like they might intersect. A second after that thought the original light made an immediate, on the dot, 90 degree turn and simultaneously accelerated to thousands of miles per hour. The acceleration and turn were both impossible.
3. The light then immediately completely disappeared and emitted a bright flash of light. There were no sounds.

I remember standing there in awe for several minutes before collecting myself and going to sleep. I also had another sighting which was weird a few years prior.

I can recommend several really good documentaries about UFOs. This is probably the best overall:

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Alien craft is extra dimensional and can use anti gravity to navigate through space time which would make it difficult to capture and analyze. Many of these sightings are mere illusion and just a projection of peoples collective thought form or collective expectations of what a ufo is supposed to look like.

However aliens are around us all times of the day and they are people just like you and me with goals and dreams and aspirations. Their forms are different and the variety is too vast for even science to categorize them if science was aware enough to detect them. Nonetheless they are ever pervasive in our world and conduct century long experiments and various projects that more or less help us get into a better state of evolution and consciousness. They can make adjustments and tweak the human body for better efficiency and better communication and that is one of the reasons for the abductions.

They do many incredible things right under our noses without us being aware of it because they are advanced enough to utilize the relationship between gravity and space time. We see time as linear because we are on earth in a gravitational bubble and we are stuck in the thought and awareness of our continuous daily lives and focuses. But time can be stopped, go forwards, go backwards and many dimensions beyond that using gravity as a mechanism. And that’s when they do most of their activities.

Without them, human beings would not exist. And we would not have access to as many thoughts and creative ideas as we do now. That is why human beings made no progress in caveman days until the introduction of agriculture which was instigated by extra dimensional forces in order to further our advancement without effecting our free will.

Interactions with these entities are the foundation of most religions in the world if not all of them. People fear the aliens because of the many stories and ideas that people have said throughout the years but many of them actually keep society under control and keeps them from descending to anarchy. Sure there are some who try to speed up the anarchy and cause confusion and suffering but there are many different motives and reasons and behaviors that they have in the same way that our world has many different people who are within the spectrum of our socialized idea of what is good and bad.

They can help inspire you or give you knowledge and information that awakens you and cause you to have a better understanding of reality. When Christians pray to god they are actually praying to aliens. They do not separate and cause conflict. They can help many people of different religions and beliefs and even atheists who don’t believe in anything spiritual. But most of the time when people say that god saved them or that god told them something it is usually the actions of the aliens trying to enlighten them and get them to evolve and they take their religions and belief systems under consideration and will appear to them in the form of an angel or of Jesus so that they will not be afraid of them.

That is the main reason why they usually do not come down to our dimensional level and interact with us in that way because our current state of fear and uncertainty about them will be too much for our psychological framework to handle. It was better a long time ago when there wasn’t as much people haha there was still fear but there wasn’t as much preconceived notions and there wasn’t a massive amount of people for the fear to be perpetuated to the extent that it has now. Because people will subconsciously lump their fears together and create bigger fears that are harder to control and causes disruptions when trying to communicate in that way.

So that have to come in subtly through your thoughts and ideas until you have reconciled and integrated your fear so that you can have more awareness and clarity.
 
ovenbakedskittles said:
Alien craft is extra dimensional and can use anti gravity to navigate through space time which would make it difficult to capture and analyze. Many of these sightings are mere illusion and just a projection of peoples collective thought form or collective expectations of what a ufo is supposed to look like.

However aliens are around us all times of the day and they are people just like you and me with goals and dreams and aspirations. Their forms are different and the variety is too vast for even science to categorize them if science was aware enough to detect them. Nonetheless they are ever pervasive in our world and conduct century long experiments and various projects that more or less help us get into a better state of evolution and consciousness. They can make adjustments and tweak the human body for better efficiency and better communication and that is one of the reasons for the abductions.

They do many incredible things right under our noses without us being aware of it because they are advanced enough to utilize the relationship between gravity and space time. We see time as linear because we are on earth in a gravitational bubble and we are stuck in the thought and awareness of our continuous daily lives and focuses. But time can be stopped, go forwards, go backwards and many dimensions beyond that using gravity as a mechanism. And that’s when they do most of their activities.

Without them, human beings would not exist. And we would not have access to as many thoughts and creative ideas as we do now. That is why human beings made no progress in caveman days until the introduction of agriculture which was instigated by extra dimensional forces in order to further our advancement without effecting our free will.

Interactions with these entities are the foundation of most religions in the world if not all of them. People fear the aliens because of the many stories and ideas that people have said throughout the years but many of them actually keep society under control and keeps them from descending to anarchy. Sure there are some who try to speed up the anarchy and cause confusion and suffering but there are many different motives and reasons and behaviors that they have in the same way that our world has many different people who are within the spectrum of our socialized idea of what is good and bad.

They can help inspire you or give you knowledge and information that awakens you and cause you to have a better understanding of reality. When Christians pray to god they are actually praying to aliens. They do not separate and cause conflict. They can help many people of different religions and beliefs and even atheists who don’t believe in anything spiritual. But most of the time when people say that god saved them or that god told them something it is usually the actions of the aliens trying to enlighten them and get them to evolve and they take their religions and belief systems under consideration and will appear to them in the form of an angel or of Jesus so that they will not be afraid of them.

That is the main reason why they usually do not come down to our dimensional level and interact with us in that way because our current state of fear and uncertainty about them will be too much for our psychological framework to handle. It was better a long time ago when there wasn’t as much people haha there was still fear but there wasn’t as much preconceived notions and there wasn’t a massive amount of people for the fear to be perpetuated to the extent that it has now. Because people will subconsciously lump their fears together and create bigger fears that are harder to control and causes disruptions when trying to communicate in that way.

So that have to come in subtly through your thoughts and ideas until you have reconciled and integrated your fear so that you can have more awareness and clarity.
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a bit of a UFO nut yourself, I see :)

Love your theory

Have you seen Dr. Greer's latest documentary? came out 2019 i think
 
Negentropic said:
a bit of a UFO nut yourself, I see :)

Love your theory

Have you seen Dr. Greer's latest documentary? came out 2019 i think
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No but I usually do not watch documentaries anymore because many of them are oversensationalized and do not represent the phenomenon accurately in my opinion. The last one I’ve watched is the bob lazar one which did not live up to my expectations or what I believe is accurate about extraterrestrial existence other than the fact that he is aware of the anti gravity mechanism that they use for their travels but that was already established. However I will check out the one you just mentioned in hopes that it will be more in depth and more accurate.

And to be specific I do not care so much about the actual ufo crafts as much as I care about what these aliens can do for us on a consciousness level. Many of the ufo sightings like I said earlier are just collective illusionary manifestation/mass hallucination kinda like a Mandela effect syndrome. The real sightings rarely make it to mainstream media.
 
I know this has been said before but I gotta say it again because it's always really bugged me.
"UFO" simply stands for "unidentified flying object." So any time someone sees something in the sky and they're not sure what it is, they have seen a UFO. Worldwide, this probably happens hundreds or thousands of times a day.
Arguing that UFOs "don't exist" is like arguing that people do not see things.
Had to get that out of the way.

So, what are they?
In a lot of cases I'm sure they are naturally occurring phenomenon that the viewer interprets as unnatural.
I'm also certain that our government and others have military technologies that most of us know nothing about.
Are some of them spacecraft from alien civilizations? Maybe. But if they are, I seriously doubt that so many of them are on missions to abduct people from trailer parks and give them anal probes.
 
ovenbakedskittles said:
No but I usually do not watch documentaries anymore because many of them are oversensationalized and do not represent the phenomenon accurately in my opinion. The last one I’ve watched is the bob lazar one which did not live up to my expectations or what I believe is accurate about extraterrestrial existence other than the fact that he is aware of the anti gravity mechanism that they use for their travels but that was already established. However I will check out the one you just mentioned in hopes that it will be more in depth and more accurate.
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I understand. Many documentaries just want to perpetuate the conspiracy and not actually reach the truth about UFOs.

Personally I believe Bob Lazar is most likely a government disinformation agent. I believe he really did work at S4/the government. There is a kernel of truth to his story. However, I believe his story is intended disinformation from the government trying to conceal various other classified technologies by calling it UFOs. You know about Richard Doty right? He was active in the OIS near to when Lazar was active at S4. I think there is a connection, and watching one interview with Doty I believe he admits that Lazar is false, he just can't directly say it due to possible prosecution of classified programs.

Per Doty (an OIS disinformation agent, he admits it all): "80% of the UFO information out there is completely false, 20% is true. However, the UFO community doesn't know which is which."

Lazar's story is too convenient to be true. Anybody in the world could have guessed 115 was real... it was the next number to be discovered. I think if he truly did work with UFOs the government would absolutely have eliminated him before he went on NATIONAL TV. It just doesn't make sense. Too good to be true.
 
jasperkent said:
I know this has been said before but I gotta say it again because it's always really bugged me.
"UFO" simply stands for "unidentified flying object." So any time someone sees something in the sky and they're not sure what it is, they have seen a UFO. Worldwide, this probably happens hundreds or thousands of times a day.
Arguing that UFOs "don't exist" is like arguing that people do not see things.
Had to get that out of the way.
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Very true. I am a devout believer but also discount 95% of the sightings out there as explainable.

What I meant by knowing they exist is that I know there is something there, behind all the misidentifications. It's not all bullshit. There is something to it. It can't be all dismissed.

That's what I mean when I say I know they exist for a fact. I know it's something we can't explain. Not all illusion.

plus with the US Pentagon admitting their existence, that they've had various programs trying to find out what they are... it just confirms its existence

jasperkent said:
So, what are they?
In a lot of cases I'm sure they are naturally occurring phenomenon that the viewer interprets as unnatural.
I'm also certain that our government and others have military technologies that most of us know nothing about.
Are some of them spacecraft from alien civilizations? Maybe. But if they are, I seriously doubt that so many of them are on missions to abduct people from trailer parks and give them anal probes.
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The golden question my friend. We don't know. That's the entertaining aspect of it for me. I love to imagine what it is, who it is.

Is it humans from the future? Prototypical aliens? Some sort of spiritual guardian of earth? Is it... God?

I make no presumptions other that knowing the phenomenon is real. My interest in UFOs became much more serious after my own sobering encounter. It blew my mind.
 
Negentropic said:
I understand. Many documentaries just want to perpetuate the conspiracy and not actually reach the truth about UFOs.

Personally I believe Bob Lazar is most likely a government disinformation agent. I believe he really did work at S4/the government. There is a kernel of truth to his story. However, I believe his story is intended disinformation from the government trying to conceal various other classified technologies by calling it UFOs. You know about Richard Doty right? He was active in the OIS near to when Lazar was active at S4. I think there is a connection, and watching one interview with Doty I believe he admits that Lazar is false, he just can't directly say it due to possible prosecution of classified programs.

Per Doty (an OIS disinformation agent, he admits it all): "80% of the UFO information out there is completely false, 20% is true. However, the UFO community doesn't know which is which."

Lazar's story is too convenient to be true. Anybody in the world could have guessed 115 was real... it was the next number to be discovered. I think if he truly did work with UFOs the government would absolutely have eliminated him before he went on NATIONAL TV. It just doesn't make sense. Too good to be true.
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that is one of the problems with documentaries and tv specials. They are told from limited perspectives and one person says it’s false and another person says it’s not. It’s just a constant back and forth between people who are competing for the dominant perspective. That is something that kind of turned me off to documentaries and tv shows even before I became interested in the extraterrestrial world when I was into the whole Courtney love killing Kurt cobain thing and watched the docs on that.

However I do agree that there is a large percentage of information out there that is false and it is only logical that once a certain amount of information is leaked out then officials can make the call to relocate their current activities and maintain the initial perception in order to divert people. I would think that they have had problems like this before any talk of aliens and they have devised certain systematic methods in order to maintain the current perception and to try to prevent certain classified information from getting out. And I think a lot of people underestimate their ability to do that and how much time and thought they have put into refining these methods over the generations ever since there was any type of organized structure of government or heirarchy. You can go back to Roman times when rulers would manipulate and eradicate the literature and circulating manuscripts which was the media of their day and crucify those who denied the emperor as god. They learn from past civilizations and try to refine it and make these methods more effective to the point where they actually have control of peoples minds and can predict what the masses will do in the next several years. They do not have to commit mindless murder anymore when they can just take control of peoples thoughts and perceptions. That’s why it doesn’t surprise me that bob lazar was not killed. So at that point you have to realize that “disinformation” is a very vague term that people use. There can be people who intentionally put out wrong information to deceive people and there can be people like bob lazar who might have been genuine but his overseers probably just did not think that he was that big of a threat and were smart enough to utilize his claims to create a diversion from more serious stuff that they are working on. I mean I’m pretty sure there were other inside agents who have tried to release certain things before him who were in a more classified area and was higher up the ranks than he was and we’re working for much longer than he was. I don’t think bob lazar was working at s4 for that long if I remember correctly maybe like a year or two.

And also it’s not like they just let him go. They tried to destroy his credibility by getting rid of his academic records and even his birth certificate. That in and of itself is a method they can use besides murder. I don’t think that they just murder anyone who says something I think it’s an organized thing that they are smart enough to realize the alternatives. And who knows if they even knew he was going to be on tv. I mean I get that they have surveillance on him to an extent but we don’t know the nuances of that and how he might have been able to slip through the cracks.
 
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Negentropic said:
I make no presumptions other that knowing the phenomenon is real. My interest in UFOs became much more serious after my own sobering encounter. It blew my mind.
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My late step-dad was a very conservative, logical, no-nonsense kinda guy. He had an excellent grasp of all the physical sciences. He was notoriously dismissive of all religion, the occult, "spirits, ghosts, aliens from other worlds, and all that other nonsense," as he would put it.
One time he told me a story only after making me promise I'd never tell anyone. I don't remember all the details (we were both a bit drunk) but he said that once, years earlier, he definitely saw some kind of glowing object in the sky that moved in ways that were physically impossible.
I could tell he was still shaken by the experience. Who knows what he saw, but this was a guy who did not believe in alien encounters and absolutely did not want to talk about possibly seeing something like that.

Go figure.
 
I don't believe in aliens and as i somehow little believe in ghosts because when i was little my cup of water suddenly was finished by everytime i woke up and i am no somnabulist

i dunno.. what i know is that there's many sci'fi's movies but none match the intro theme from x files, i was watching that on AXN and fuck i had a broken tv and it went off sometimes and it gave me the worst nightmares of randomly disturbing my neighbour sleep and mine too bc i was tired working as a security guard and believe me once you work, you gonna put value on sleep

when i was little, i heard stories from argentina such as disguised human crafted materials into whatever, spying i dunno..
 
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Thus they have their backs against the wall and with no escape have become vicious.

McAfee claimed to have a dead man’s switch, and those he entrusted are not swayed by the claims that his death is suicide.

The Cabal controlled media will of course not print any of it, but the alternative media will.

There will be little that is new, but McAfee will provide proofs!

No more conspiracy theories, but facts backed by proofs, including theft of public funds, utilizing the scamdemic to force unnecessary lockdowns, using the sex trade to gather blackmail material, and of course the reality of Nibiru and the alien presence.

And it's true !

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