Positive The Tapering Support Thread v 2.0

[DeadHead781]

I feel like crap in the morning; each and every one. My legs ache, my neck hurts, and I think, I can't function today. Then about 4 am I take 10mg methadone, and then by 5 or 6 I take 20 mgs more; and then I am ready to roll. Unfortunately I fell off my skate on Friday; I hit the ground really hard, felt a little concussed. Now for two days I have been so damn sore; went to the skatepark this morning only to pack it in after ten minutes as I really wasn't feeling well body wise. My arms and neck are really sore I know it's a reaction to falling and trying to catch myself. Why can't I just be happy to not try and catch air like the kids, Ive never been able to so I kick myself for pushing it too hard.
I will likely end up with another neck surgery I have had three and now I have cranial instabilty. However, counting my blessing as sore as I am each day, for two years I couldn't really walk without shaky weak legs, so I am over the moon to be skating again. I was a die hard surfer, but I am just too stiff and sore to do it anymore. i can, however, stand on a skateboard again so I am doing it
.Obsessively, of course. I have booked myself for more work as a teacher coming up this week and thru November. I usually am bothered by my old dog whining about 3 am and cancel my job for the day; waking up at 7 no matter what the dam dog does to my sleep.
I pound vicodin when I have it in the afternoon, and try to keep 10 mgs methadone in reserve. I use kratom when the vicodin is gone.
I am interested in high dose vitamen C, memantine or any other method to reduce.
Fucking chronic spinal pain is an awful, life changing condition. I don't know why I dont just resign myself to the rest of my life taking opiates.

Probably because of doctors and pharmacies making me uneasy with a regular source of medication. Scary shit.
Thank you all for your support, I want to hold myself accountable and work for a living, I love kids and school teaching as a substitute; but I puss out more than I follow thru.
but I can skateboard os I should be able to work, right? You would think!
Benzos help me deal with the uncertainty of my opiate rx. And I have to get off of them after 20 years because I made one mistake and went into withdrawal.
Yours in dope, years of dope, plus some hope! Hope keeps me going.
Tore my rotator cuff which keeps me from swimming which is what made me strong enough to skateboard again. Catch 22 I hurt my shoulder falling off my skate two months ago.
The beat goes on, nobody lasts forever, i tell myself, and know it to be t

I feel like crap in the morning; each and every one. My legs ache, my neck hurts, and I think, I can't function today. Then about 4 am I take 10mg methadone, and then by 5 or 6 I take 20 mgs more; and then I am ready to roll. Unfortunately I fell off my skate on Friday; I hit the ground really hard, felt a little concussed. Now for two days I have been so damn sore; went to the skatepark this morning only to pack it in after ten minutes as I really wasn't feeling well body wise. My arms and neck are really sore I know it's a reaction to falling and trying to catch myself. Why can't I just be happy to not try and catch air like the kids, Ive never been able to so I kick myself for pushing it too hard.
I will likely end up with another neck surgery I have had three and now I have cranial instabilty. However, counting my blessing as sore as I am each day, for two years I couldn't really walk without shaky weak legs, so I am over the moon to be skating again. I was a die hard surfer, but I am just too stiff and sore to do it anymore. i can, however, stand on a skateboard again so I am doing it
.Obsessively, of course. I have booked myself for more work as a teacher coming up this week and thru November. I usually am bothered by my old dog whining about 3 am and cancel my job for the day; waking up at 7 no matter what the dam dog does to my sleep.
I pound vicodin when I have it in the afternoon, and try to keep 10 mgs methadone in reserve. I use kratom when the vicodin is gone.
I am interested in high dose vitamen C, memantine or any other method to reduce.
Fucking chronic spinal pain is an awful, life changing condition. I don't know why I dont just resign myself to the rest of my life taking opiates.

Probably because of doctors and pharmacies making me uneasy with a regular source of medication. Scary shit.
Thank you all for your support, I want to hold myself accountable and work for a living, I love kids and school teaching as a substitute; but I puss out more than I follow thru.
but I can skateboard os I should be able to work, right? You would think!
Benzos help me deal with the uncertainty of my opiate rx. And I have to get off of them after 20 years because I made one mistake and went into withdrawal.
Yours in dope, years of dope, plus some hope! Hope keeps me going.
Tore my rotator cuff which keeps me from swimming which is what made me strong enough to skateboard again. Catch 22 I hurt my shoulder falling off my skate two months ago.
The beat goes on, nobody lasts forever, i tell myself, and know it to be true.

Hey brother atleast your still out there skating! I will cruise too the store once and awhile i have always loved just cruising and carving now that im older. Need too get back into skating more and hobbies i use too enjoy before all this bullshit! I also have neck and head pain constantly. I fractured my skull and had a crainotomy almost ten years ago so i also gotta be careful about falling on my head. Hang in there brother! One day at a time just stay positive and we will get too where we want too be!!

 

[Painful One]

Yeah unfortunately there is no way around it. First and foremost i wanna just stop using and just take my methadone get some time under my belt then taper of the methadone. Gonna try and stock up on some meds and stuff i need and make anothet go at trying to kick. Thanks for thr kind words & support!!

Hey brother atleast your still out there skating! I will cruise too the store once and awhile i have always loved just cruising and carving now that im older. Need too get back into skating more and hobbies i use too enjoy before all this bullshit! I also have neck and head pain constantly. I fractured my skull and had a crainotomy almost ten years ago so i also gotta be careful about falling on my head. Hang in there brother! One day at a time just stay positive and we will get too where we want too be!!

Yes.
I also have head injury, traumatic brain injury, Near Death Experience, back injury, chronic low back pain, chronic migraine headaches which I must keep from happening or it brain damages me further, every time I get one of those bad migraines.
Car accident, sent them spiraling out of control.
The only control I have is morphine.
So, the changing Of doctors and worrying over my medications is just traumatic level!

Yeah, I now speak with a British accent due to brain damage.

Do the best you can guys. That is all we can do.
You are not alone in this struggle.

 

[lolis my thesis]

Grateful, Dead.
Im actually wearing a helmet and elbow pads; crashing is a damn humbling experience as I am a bit fragile; skating replaced surfing for me, surfing just hurts too bad and can barely get into a wetsuit or out. And in Oregon its fucking ice cold. Kept at it for 20 years post injury, surfing cold water with the likes of Gerry Lopez(don't know Mr. Pipeline but he is inspirational to see!)

We have a really flowy park so you don't have to kick turn and there are lots of roll ins. Actually enjoy it more than surfing as it is easy to make friends skating, surfing is just too competitive and fickle.
Add in travel and camping and wetsuits and I have to call it. Most people tell me to quit skating but they don't know it's keeping me going as much as anything so I don't listen to them.

Being 54, I have been struggling with pain since whiplash and getting sternum crushed at 30 years old; when my girlfriend was three months pregnant. Been half assing my life around that pain since then. raising kids and having businesses, going back to school for teaching; so I don't have to huck vegetables for my livelyhood. Haven't had much luck working as a teacher and my business was owning a produce stand hucking vegetables, so I never really got off from lifting things for work. But liquidated the business and the wife(wore her out, she got tired taking care of me) and watching my addict behaviours. and am trying to get back into teaching. Just want to have a meaningful time here on Earth.

Nothing can make it go away; but it's not killing me, its taken me very very long to accept being compromised.
I always been a drug fiend, taking too much acid, X, coke, alcohol, always dosing compulsively.

I have to try and stay away from alcohol, haven't had a drink in 25 years, weed (been stoned since 15 yrs old) and quitting weed is always super hard as I smoke it around the clock. But I am off the weed now too.

the hydrocodone and clonazepam are giving me fits now. Trying to abstain is feckless at best. They work more for a high than for pain. have to stop ordering the hydro every month from my doctor. easier said than done when I can get it every 30 days. Also having trouble with Clonazepam as I am on a taper but keep fucking myself there too. Not bad enough to throw me into withdrawal yet, but I over take and then under take every damn time! But not giving up. gonna stay strong and avoid another surgery to my neck as long as possible. Going to the pool has been extremely helpful in getting stronger. Hurting my shoulder skating, and I cant swim well now. Life is a big catch 22 for me seems like. Everything comes back full circle and I repeat my actions over and over.

Other things I find that help for withdrawal
CBG (CBgood) seems to provide mental clarity and mood and lubes up the joints, sure seems that way! I don't much enjoy THC, but this stuff is subtle and works to soothe the body. Kinda like what CBD is supposed to do; but it actually works for me. Look it up its pretty awesome.
CBN(CBnightnight) at night is another cannabinoid that helps me sleep. Supposedly it is what is in degraded old weed; the THC breaks down. I think it is 25% as potent as THC, makes me tired and a little groggy.
Too bad pot has been modified to have no CBD and all THC. there are really beneficial properties of cannabis that are as good as getting high. When I smoke weed I end up doing nothing; so I have been abstaining from that, at least until I can find some stability in my life.
Thank you for reading me

 

[Painful One]

Grateful, Dead.
Im actually wearing a helmet and elbow pads; crashing is a damn humbling experience as I am a bit fragile; skating replaced surfing for me, surfing just hurts too bad and can barely get into a wetsuit or out. And in Oregon its fucking ice cold. Kept at it for 20 years post injury, surfing cold water with the likes of Gerry Lopez(don't know Mr. Pipeline but he is inspirational to see!)

We have a really flowy park so you don't have to kick turn and there are lots of roll ins. Actually enjoy it more than surfing as it is easy to make friends skating, surfing is just too competitive and fickle.
Add in travel and camping and wetsuits and I have to call it. Most people tell me to quit skating but they don't know it's keeping me going as much as anything so I don't listen to them.

Being 54, I have been struggling with pain since whiplash and getting sternum crushed at 30 years old; when my girlfriend was three months pregnant. Been half assing my life around that pain since then. raising kids and having businesses, going back to school for teaching; so I don't have to huck vegetables for my livelyhood. Haven't had much luck working as a teacher and my business was owning a produce stand hucking vegetables, so I never really got off from lifting things for work. But liquidated the business and the wife(wore her out, she got tired taking care of me) and watching my addict behaviours. and am trying to get back into teaching. Just want to have a meaningful time here on Earth.

Nothing can make it go away; but it's not killing me, its taken me very very long to accept being compromised.
I always been a drug fiend, taking too much acid, X, coke, alcohol, always dosing compulsively.

I have to try and stay away from alcohol, haven't had a drink in 25 years, weed (been stoned since 15 yrs old) and quitting weed is always super hard as I smoke it around the clock. But I am off the weed now too.

the hydrocodone and clonazepam are giving me fits now. Trying to abstain is feckless at best. They work more for a high than for pain. have to stop ordering the hydro every month from my doctor. easier said than done when I can get it every 30 days. Also having trouble with Clonazepam as I am on a taper but keep fucking myself there too. Not bad enough to throw me into withdrawal yet, but I over take and then under take every damn time! But not giving up. gonna stay strong and avoid another surgery to my neck as long as possible. Going to the pool has been extremely helpful in getting stronger. Hurting my shoulder skating, and I cant swim well now. Life is a big catch 22 for me seems like. Everything comes back full circle and I repeat my actions over and over.

Other things I find that help for withdrawal
CBG (CBgood) seems to provide mental clarity and mood and lubes up the joints, sure seems that way! I don't much enjoy THC, but this stuff is subtle and works to soothe the body. Kinda like what CBD is supposed to do; but it actually works for me. Look it up its pretty awesome.
CBN(CBnightnight) at night is another cannabinoid that helps me sleep. Supposedly it is what is in degraded old weed; the THC breaks down. I think it is 25% as potent as THC, makes me tired and a little groggy.
Too bad pot has been modified to have no CBD and all THC. there are really beneficial properties of cannabis that are as good as getting high. When I smoke weed I end up doing nothing; so I have been abstaining from that, at least until I can find some stability in my life.
Thank you for reading me

God, Thank you for this!

yes, The Grateful Dead indeed.

I will definitely look into the CBG
Thanks.
I am finding these gummies with full spectrum work really well.
My two brothers and daughter are also finding them useful.

I got to hand it to you for keeping up the skate boarding.
That is a freakin miracle.
Good work!

I send my love to ya all’s.

PS: @lolis my thesis
How did you accept being compromised?

 

[lolis my thesis]

Apologies if this is a novel

I realized I was wasting my life; and have been able to change my perspective somewhat. With the help of a therapist and a few key things he enlightened me with.
Spending any time possible thinking about my pain. Im still working on it; tend to abuse my drugs. loving myself despite this shortcoming.

I also notice that everybody is struggling and I can help. Some people are happy in their wheelchairs, my friend fell from a tree at 40 feet, broke his femur, but is skating again
Some have learning disabilites, social anxiety, endless complications that come with being sentient; everyone has a battle to face.
So I am facing mine. I also try to carry on doing the same things I used to do. Dont want to waste the rest of my youth(54 years young) being sullen. And people notice me staying active despite being fucked up. Were all fucked up and then ultimately we die, I don't need to hasten that inevitability. Peace will come at the expense of my consciousness; soon enough. Why make it worse by being isolated and sad.
For a good while if I were a dog I would be under the porch and refusing to come out. What a miserable way to exist.
My counselor/therapist asked me how often I could not be focused on my condition
I found that there were many times during the day that I was enjoying things external to my self
Birds, rocks, the sky. Being active despite some pain, letting the pain medication allow me to function in addition to escape the drugs are useful
I lay in bed in the morning, stiff and sore, uncomfortable. But I take methadone at 4, 5, and 7 am.
Then I wake up soothed;
Tomorrow I am going to work; being around others makes me feel better, even if I am like a lion tamer trying to help 8th graders deal with their hormones kicking in.
They are bouncing off the walls but I can see their insecurity and desire to fit in amongst their peers. Acting big because they are feeling small.
Some girl from eighth grade remembered me from a single hour I had spent with her 2 years ago
I took the time to talk to her she told me she had depression and I told her I battled that too
Warmed my heart to think that I made a difference in her life by being emotionally vulnerable amongst kids and their bravado
Seeing everyone struggle with their identities makes me want to try and help them, and by doing so I am helping myself

also, exercise in the face of pain. It helps me stay in the moment. When my neck went bad, I switched to kneeboarding in the ocean because I needed swim fins to help me mobilize.
Got to spend another two decades enjoying the waves, now kneeboarding is too hard for me, so I found something else I could do, rather than focusing on my shortcomings
Sometimes I cant funtion at all, that is when I get down and sedentary. and isolated. None of these things help my well being.
I was too weak to walk far, slowly I got up to five miles. then I got in the pool and swam laps
then I found out I could skateboard again after 3 years.
And thankfully I can work and spread my joy of being alive to others.

 

[DeadHead781]

Yes.
I also have head injury, traumatic brain injury, Near Death Experience, back injury, chronic low back pain, chronic migraine headaches which I must keep from happening or it brain damages me further, every time I get one of those bad migraines.
Car accident, sent them spiraling out of control.
The only control I have is morphine.
So, the changing Of doctors and worrying over my medications is just traumatic level!

Yeah, I now speak with a British accent due to brain damage.

Do the best you can guys. That is all we can do.
You are not alone in this struggle.

Yeah i also get severe migiraines. And as soon as i stop using i usually will get the worse ones that last for days. Chronic pain is the worse. I have tried so many things too help it. I also have a very hard time sleeping basically have too knock my body and mind out too get some rest shit sucks!

 

[Painful One]

Yeah i also get severe migiraines. And as soon as i stop using i usually will get the worse ones that last for days. Chronic pain is the worse. I have tried so many things too help it. I also have a very hard time sleeping basically have too knock my body and mind out too get some rest shit sucks!

Man, I hear you.
Have to knock yourself right out to get sleep.
it sucks.

I am so sorry that you endure this also.
*hugs

 

[lolis my thesis]

I use mainly benedryl, clonazepam. And CBG or CBN. They are worth a shot, I would love to hear someone elses opinion on these newer noids.
Then I put on a podcast and somehow I drift off after awhile
It sucks being as good as your painkillers but what else can we do?
I have a super hard time sleeping more than 2 hours at a time, and start on my back, then at some point roll over to my stomach.
Its hard not to worry about my neck or back pain. Sometimes insomnia keeps me from getting any useful sleep.

I did have constant occipital headache but I am super sorry for those who suffer migraines.
I hate that others suffer; some more than myself, others not as much
it does console me a bit that I am not the only one.

I try not to make others feel my pain; doing so cost me a wife, almost a child, I can be too hard to bear, for those that care

I have been seeing my 23 y.o. daughter more; she stopped talking to me, I think because I was a downer, or made her worry
Trying to repair that now
She is involved with me and my son with fantasy NBA thru a league that Deficit set up. Way cool of him.

 

[kongoman]

for you @kongoman

I didnt see it! Im a lost cause lol
Nice song darling

A little bit of french
Send u tons of love

 

[DeadHead781]

I use mainly benedryl, clonazepam. And CBG or CBN. They are worth a shot, I would love to hear someone elses opinion on these newer noids.
Then I put on a podcast and somehow I drift off after awhile
It sucks being as good as your painkillers but what else can we do?
I have a super hard time sleeping more than 2 hours at a time, and start on my back, then at some point roll over to my stomach.
Its hard not to worry about my neck or back pain. Sometimes insomnia keeps me from getting any useful sleep.

I did have constant occipital headache but I am super sorry for those who suffer migraines.
I hate that others suffer; some more than myself, others not as much
it does console me a bit that I am not the only one.

I try not to make others feel my pain; doing so cost me a wife, almost a child, I can be too hard to bear, for those that care

I have been seeing my 23 y.o. daughter more; she stopped talking to me, I think because I was a downer, or made her worry
Trying to repair that now
She is involved with me and my son with fantasy NBA thru a league that Deficit set up. Way cool of him.

I use mainly benedryl, clonazepam. And CBG or CBN. They are worth a shot, I would love to hear someone elses opinion on these newer noids.
Then I put on a podcast and somehow I drift off after awhile
It sucks being as good as your painkillers but what else can we do?
I have a super hard time sleeping more than 2 hours at a time, and start on my back, then at some point roll over to my stomach.
Its hard not to worry about my neck or back pain. Sometimes insomnia keeps me from getting any useful sleep.

I did have constant occipital headache but I am super sorry for those who suffer migraines.
I hate that others suffer; some more than myself, others not as much
it does console me a bit that I am not the only one.

I try not to make others feel my pain; doing so cost me a wife, almost a child, I can be too hard to bear, for those that care

I have been seeing my 23 y.o. daughter more; she stopped talking to me, I think because I was a downer, or made her worry
Trying to repair that now
She is involved with me and my son with fantasy NBA thru a league that Deficit set up. Way cool of him.

I have tried CBD i havent heard of CBG but i will def look into it and give it a shot. Ive tried so many things over the years it would be nice too find something that works and helps and isnt the drugs. Also i hear you man im only 30 but have been doing drugs since i was a kid. Drank early at young age and started smoking weed at like 12 years old when i found my dads stash lol. My tolerance is so high im basically just using to survive at this point too keep me functioning "normally".

 

[lolis my thesis]

My dad is ninety, has no pain, so I know something is functionally wrong. Besides the drugs; I would love to smoke a joint and have a beer, two things my condition somehow ruins for me.
I really can't see 35 more years without some better pain control; can't help but strive for than. Acceptance only goes so far, sadly. Pain is overwhelming, a constant demon on my shoulder.
I can recreate better than I can work, probably because I can pack it in before 8 hours are up.
Sending out MRI reports to various spinal surgery specialists to see if they can hack my neck to a state of less pain.

 

[Squeaky]

I wanted to respond to someone about sleep but I couldn’t decide who…..

I got a weighted blanket a few months ago. Super heavy, 20lbs. Feels like a dead body lying on top of me. I tried different combinations but what has really helped is that I put it on top of my legs only. (On my whole body and I wake up hurting way more). It keeps me from tossing and turning at night. Since day one, it keeps me from moving around in my sleep and keeps me asleep longer. I went from waking up and trying to switch positions every hour to sleeping 2-4 hours at a time. I wake up each time with a few more aches and pains than before, but I’m doing that way fewer times. Add some weed gummies and try to not drink much water in the evening, and I’m actually getting sleep now. I wake up for work in more pain than before, and Kratom gets me through that pretty good now.
Best 50 bucks I have spent in a long time!

 

[lolis my thesis]

My mother made a quilt of denim and felt when I was a child. it's sort of small, but we always called it "the world's heaviest blanket". I've used it nightly for years, and the weight does indeed help with sleep. Its so old that I have fixed all the threadbare tears with duct tape. It doesn't look good but still it's the only blanket I need. Doesn't hurt that my mom hand made it.

 

[DeadHead781]

I wanted to respond to someone about sleep but I couldn’t decide who…..

I got a weighted blanket a few months ago. Super heavy, 20lbs. Feels like a dead body lying on top of me. I tried different combinations but what has really helped is that I put it on top of my legs only. (On my whole body and I wake up hurting way more). It keeps me from tossing and turning at night. Since day one, it keeps me from moving around in my sleep and keeps me asleep longer. I went from waking up and trying to switch positions every hour to sleeping 2-4 hours at a time. I wake up each time with a few more aches and pains than before, but I’m doing that way fewer times. Add some weed gummies and try to not drink much water in the evening, and I’m actually getting sleep now. I wake up for work in more pain than before, and Kratom gets me through that pretty good now.
Best 50 bucks I have spent in a long time!

Ive been wondering if a weighted blanket would help.

I wanted to respond to someone about sleep but I couldn’t decide who…..

I got a weighted blanket a few months ago. Super heavy, 20lbs. Feels like a dead body lying on top of me. I tried different combinations but what has really helped is that I put it on top of my legs only. (On my whole body and I wake up hurting way more). It keeps me from tossing and turning at night. Since day one, it keeps me from moving around in my sleep and keeps me asleep longer. I went from waking up and trying to switch positions every hour to sleeping 2-4 hours at a time. I wake up each time with a few more aches and pains than before, but I’m doing that way fewer times. Add some weed gummies and try to not drink much water in the evening, and I’m actually getting sleep now. I wake up for work in more pain than before, and Kratom gets me through that pretty good now.
Best 50 bucks I have spent in a long time!

I have been wondering if weighted blankets helped , i will def get one now thanks!! Which strain of kratom would you recommend and is making the tea the best way too go?? Ive read the extract works well also.

 

[AlphaMethylPhenyl]

My mother made a quilt of denim and felt when I was a child. it's sort of small, but we always called it "the world's heaviest blanket". I've used it nightly for years, and the weight does indeed help with sleep. Its so old that I have fixed all the threadbare tears with duct tape. It doesn't look good but still it's the only blanket I need. Doesn't hurt that my mom hand made it.

+++++ for good moms!

Been tapering down MMT for a while now. Even taking my dose every 36 hours as opposed to every 24 hours really hit my system hard. Still dealing with a lot of negativity and worthlessness largely from this.

 

[Squeaky]

Ive been wondering if a weighted blanket would help.

I have been wondering if weighted blankets helped , i will def get one now thanks!! Which strain of kratom would you recommend and is making the tea the best way too go?? Ive read the extract works well also.

I started with ‘Red Maeng Da’…. and it worked so I never tried anything else. The documentaries I have watched all say that the different colors like white, red, and green, all come from the same tree. Just different leaves grow different colors sometimes, so maybe they’re all basically the same.

Kratom isn’t a magic fix-all solution. It helps lessen the physical wd’s substantially, and works a bit on the psychological wd’s. But you will still suffer a little while you’re transitioning. The lethargy and depression take a long time to resolve, and of course it depends on what you had been using and for how long. Loperamide can completely eliminate the wd’s in large enough doses but it’s a strong opiate that becomes the new problem if you don’t taper off it quickly.

 

[Squeaky]

+++++ for good moms!

Been tapering down MMT for a while now. Even taking my dose every 36 hours as opposed to every 24 hours really hit my system hard. Still dealing with a lot of negativity and worthlessness largely from this.

Could you go back to a 24 hour schedule and reduce your dose? Methadone stays in your system forever, so you might be suffering at 36 hours and making very little progress in getting off it completely. It’s also easier to have a life if you can time your dose to coincide with work and family once per day and plan your wd’s for when you can afford to be in hell.

I had been on opiates for 5 or 6 years. 16 months now since I changed to only Kratom for 25 days each month (high doses of Percocet for 3-4 days….) but it took me over a year to lose the depression, exhaustion, and feeling like a worthless loser. Nobody can comprehend how horrible you feel if they haven’t lived it, but there is hope. Just don’t give up!

 

[DeadHead781]

I started with ‘Red Maeng Da’…. and it worked so I never tried anything else. The documentaries I have watched all say that the different colors like white, red, and green, all come from the same tree. Just different leaves grow different colors sometimes, so maybe they’re all basically the same.

Kratom isn’t a magic fix-all solution. It helps lessen the physical wd’s substantially, and works a bit on the psychological wd’s. But you will still suffer a little while you’re transitioning. The lethargy and depression take a long time to resolve, and of course it depends on what you had been using and for how long. Loperamide can completely eliminate the wd’s in large enough doses but it’s a strong opiate that becomes the new problem if you don’t taper off it quickly.

Yeah i have only taken the capsules of green leaf and a bali red and it didnt seem too help. Ive read and watched videos of people saying it can take away some of the worse symptoms in my opinion, the chills and restlessness and some of the aches. I got some red bali powder from my friend just made some tea and the coffee filter over the mug did not work out well loll i was basically drinking the powder in warm water. Do you have any tips on how you make the tea?? Im gonna get some honey to put in it. Thanks for the help and kind words!!

 

[Squeaky]

Yeah i have only taken the capsules of green leaf and a bali red and it didnt seem too help. Ive read and watched videos of people saying it can take away some of the worse symptoms in my opinion, the chills and restlessness and some of the aches. I got some red bali powder from my friend just made some tea and the coffee filter over the mug did not work out well loll i was basically drinking the powder in warm water. Do you have any tips on how you make the tea?? Im gonna get some honey to put in it. Thanks for the help and kind words!!

I just scoop the powder into my mouth and wash it down. It’s not easy and it tastes horrible, but it’s not complicated.

Best thing I have tried is mixing the powder with about 8 ounces of orange juice. The sweetness cuts down some of the bad flavor. You can mix with anything sweet, or wash the flavor out of your mouth with something sugary. Candy, chocolate, juice, etc. Just don’t mix or drink with anything too cold and definitely nothing carbonated.

Kratom has a built-in limit. The only way to know where yours is would be to take too much and find out where your limit is. Overdo it and you will puke one time, anywhere from 10 minutes to about 2 hours after dosing. It has a stimulant similar to caffeine that stays in your system for a lot longer than the pain reliever and will compound with doses from earlier in the day. I can take about 5 grams (one level tablespoon) every 3 hours and I’m OK, but my tolerance is high. For a novice I’d recommend 1-2 grams(about one level teaspoon) every 6 hours and keep trying more and more over the next few days until you feel shaky: there’s your limit.

As you have already experienced, it doesn’t cure all of your wd’s. But if you stick with it for 7-10 days, and don’t touch your other opiates, you will start to feel somewhat normal. It’s a lengthy process but I’m guessing your goal is to hide your wd’s until you don’t have to, and that’s what Kratom did for me. While you’re transitioning, you can make excuses like having eaten bad leftovers or getting your Covid booster. You’ll be grateful for a believable excuse for not being “yourself”.

 

[Painful One]

OMG! This sudden change in the weather and air pressure has had my chronic pain off the charts.
I haven’t been able to sleep and my back is killing me.
I think I accidentally hurt myself by not washing my gabapentin down with an entire glass of water.
I slacked on that for a few days and OUCH! It hurt my kidneys.
Make sure you drink an entire glass of water with gabapentin my friends.
I think I am going to taper down a little on gabapentin. My dosage may be too high.

Seems like everyone is really active right now.
Pain and other flare up’s is what I am seeing from everyone.
and, I still haven’t managed to get a new pain management doctor yet.
It is ridiculous. You cannot just call and make an appointment with these doctors, not here.
They said they would get back to me but this has been for two weeks now, no appointment yet and they tell me they are weeks out.
I guess I will call my insurance company on Monday. They will not want me without a doctor.
I don’t know what else to do.
If you guys have any suggestions other than that, let me know.

Hope you guys are all okay today.
Hang in there everyone.
Be safe.