The Sadistic Wickedness of the Jesus of Nazareth and The Almighty God

[keseyhitchens]

Matthew Chapter 5, Verse 27-30 (this is Jesus speaking here)

[27] "You have heard that it was said, `You shall not commit adultery.'
[28] But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
[29] If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.
[30] And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

You read that right. According to the supposedly meek and mild Jesus, simply being a human male and having normal and instinctual thoughts and feelings come up in your mind & body can get you thrown into hellfire. This supposedly moral man is saying it is better to blind yourself than to see an attractive woman and have a sexual thought. In the Christian myth God is all powerful and the creator of humanity. This God created us as a species which reproduces through sex, therefore evolving lustful instincts to encourage us to engage in reproduction. Then, after doing this, he sends his son to tell us that we can be condemned for eternity and thrown into the lake of fire for having "bad" thoughts. He created us sick, then condemns us for it. The cherry on top of this wicked cake is that this supposedly benevolent God/ Jesus does all this and is considered by Christians as benevolent and that he loves you (and you are commanded to love him). This is the sick, twisted, brutal, barbaric, and sadistic MORAL CHAOS of The Bible. And that's just one example in a very long book...

People who think the Bible, Yahweh, and Jesus is moral, wise, merciful, enlightening, and something to admired and followed are either evil or lying to themselves through cognitive dissonance because they can't accept that the religion that they have been indoctrinated into a religion they are told is good and moral since the day they were born. Or lastly, and I think this is the majority reason by far. Most people who consider themselves Christian have never picked up and read, cover to cover, the book they think is the inspired word of God and all they know about Christianity is through their preacher and bible study that justifies this barbarity, or usually just doesn't bring it up.

Please my beautifully flawed fellow primates. Throw off the chains of religious faith and come into the light of reason. Throw away the sick commandments of the Bible and claim the rights of The Enlightenment. Give up the arrogant and grandiose claim that there is a God that cares about you, does stuff for you and made this universe all for us and accept the beautifully humble fact that we are a chromosome away from a Chimpanzee. We aren't the center of the universe. We don't know why we are here. We don't know why the universe exists. We don't even know if there is a "why" in the first place. It's surprising the comfort you can receive from being okay with not knowing all the answers. Finally, the stuff we do know exists. Black Holes, Evolution through natural selection, the beauties of science and the glory of artistic expression, human love and empathy, just all the beautiful things and processes we discover on this mossy wet rock we call Earth. These things, to me, are far more beautiful, interesting, and inspiring then that ancient bronze age Bible. Wether you are Christian or not, we are still brother and sister homo sapiens, and that's what really matters. And remember, it's ok to have sexual desires about someone that isnt your spouse, as long as you don't act on it. And even if you do, you don't deserve to go to hell but don't be surprised if a divorce is coming your way. I tease of course and Peace & Love to you all.

 

[Brendan12]

You can say what you want about Jesus.. but he died on the cross to save you as a magical sigil.

Although I'm sure other people have died for this purpose too.

 

[gordonliddy]

You read that right. According to the supposedly meek and mild Jesus, simply being a human male and having normal and instinctual thoughts and feelings come up in your mind & body can get you thrown into hellfire. This supposedly moral man is saying it is better to blind yourself than to see an attractive woman and have a sexual thought. In the Christian myth God is all powerful and the creator of humanity. This God created us as a species which reproduces through sex, therefore evolving lustful instincts to encourage us to engage in reproduction. Then, after doing this, he sends his son to tell us that we can be condemned for eternity and thrown into the lake of fire for having "bad" thoughts. He created us sick, then condemns us for it. The cherry on top of this wicked cake is that this supposedly benevolent God/ Jesus does all this and is considered by Christians as benevolent and that he loves you (and you are commanded to love him). This is the sick, twisted, brutal, barbaric, and sadistic MORAL CHAOS of The Bible. And that's just one example in a very long book...

If tht is your only takeaway from those verses, then you need Jesus.

But I've got some good news for you. Jesus saves!

 

[Burnt Offerings]

You need Jesus bruuuuther

 

[skipjames]

Always in the same chapter :
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." So nothing sadistic , unless saying to someone "You can and should be better than what you are " is sadistic in this shitty era of " I m Great you are great everyone is great".

Christ invites us to better ourselves, both in the way we act and the way we think, and at the same time is well aware of our human weakness, that´s why he left us with a Church and Sacraments that can help us out when we fall ( Catholic here but is the same with Orthodox)

Black Holes, Evolution through natural selection, the beauties of science and the glory of artistic expression, human love and empathy, just all the beautiful things and processes we discover on this mossy wet rock we call Earth.

All amazing things that do not necessarily exclude religion in general and Christianism in particular(unless you are talking about hardcore Biblical Literalist Fundamentalist who defend bollocks like "Evolution is evil " or 'Young Earth Creationism" or "Intelligent Design " , than I m with you),, IMHO they complement each other. You can be interested in how the Universe works (science) and also ask more metaphysical questions; you can be amazed by the wonders of artistic expression and admit that lots of amazing art was and is inspired by Christianity (Saint Peter anyone?) , and last but not least on human love and empathy, the "sadist" is also known to have said in John 13, 34-35 " 34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”. So really what´s your beef with JC?: I m sure there are way more historical and contemporary figures that deserve your contempt more that this guy, whether you believe in Him or not. Peace

 

[keseyhitchens]

Always in the same chapter :
43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘Love your neighbor[i] and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I tell you, love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 that you may be children of your Father in heaven. He causes his sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46 If you love those who love you, what reward will you get? Are not even the tax collectors doing that? 47 And if you greet only your own people, what are you doing more than others? Do not even pagans do that? 48 Be perfect, therefore, as your heavenly Father is perfect." So nothing sadistic , unless saying to someone "You can and should be better than what you are " is sadistic in this shitty era of " I m Great you are great everyone is great".

Christ invites us to better ourselves, both in the way we act and the way we think, and at the same time is well aware of our human weakness, that´s why he left us with a Church and Sacraments that can help us out when we fall ( Catholic here but is the same with Orthodox)


All amazing things that do not necessarily exclude religion in general and Christianism in particular(unless you are talking about hardcore Biblical Literalist Fundamentalist who defend bollocks like "Evolution is evil " or 'Young Earth Creationism" or "Intelligent Design " , than I m with you),, IMHO they complement each other. You can be interested in how the Universe works (science) and also ask more metaphysical questions; you can be amazed by the wonders of artistic expression and admit that lots of amazing art was and is inspired by Christianity (Saint Peter anyone?) , and last but not least on human love and empathy, the "sadist" is also known to have said in John 13, 34-35 " 34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. 35 By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”. So really what´s your beef with JC?: I m sure there are way more historical and contemporary figures that deserve your contempt more that this guy, whether you believe in Him or not. Peace

You all are just proving my point with your replies. Yes Jesus did say those better things but he also said wicked things and you cant ignore the bad parts. Christians hold this man up as the best moral example of a human ever. That is dangerous nonsense. No one even close to perfect would advocate and command people to do some of the stuff Jesus said.

Of course religion has inspired art. Christianity also inspired Martin Luther to fight the corruption of the Catholic Church and it inspired Martin Luther King to fight against racist American corruption. But there were also many black and Jewish socialist ATHEISTS that held leadership positions in the civil rights movement as well. They didn't need Jesus to fight for justice and be moral. Any moral act a christian can do I as a non-believer can do. To excuse, justify, accept, (or worse) actually follow and do and carry out the EVIL verses from the "most moral book" supposedly said by THE "perfect human", you have to be a believer.

Name me a good/moral thing a christian (even one in this very thread) can do that I can't do because i don't believe in god. You can't. Name me a evil thing that would and could ONLY be done by a believer in religious faith. Everyone can come up with an example. Let's see:

Mutilating the genitals of CHILDREN because god said so.

The most powerful christian church on earth, the Catholic one, institutionalizing pedophilia. Making it church policy to shield and protect from justice...THE PRIESTS!

Humans organizing the industrial murder of their fellow man because they were Jews and it was preached in churches throughout Germany for centuries that all Jews forever are condemned for the murder of Christ, of god the son.

Conducting a human sacrifice to atone for humanity's sins (as if that has any logical moral sense to it). If i had been there, i would have done everything in my power to STOP a man being tortured to death "for our sins" or as the Romans saw it, saying seditious and blasphemous things. I don't see a human sacrifice in the middle east 2000 years ago over nothing as a beautiful story. Because I am an atheist that claim the beliefs of humanism and The Enlightenment, I see it as an unnecessary tragedy that happened because of barbaric and backwards laws and morals that were the norm in that time and place in history. I digress... more evil things that can only be done by a believer:

Flying planes into skyscrapers because you believe god loves it when you slay infidels and will be rewarded with a harem of 72 virgins (you'll also get 72 mothers in law, they never mention that part Moving on:

Emotionally and verbally abusing your own child because their sexuality isn't kosher in your bronze age holy book.

I could go on and will if you want me to. Yes, atheists can, have and will be bad evil psychopathic people. But to get an otherwise good decent person in the 21st century to do and say and justify and explain away evil things, you need religion.

 

[skipjames]

Name me a good/moral thing a christian (even one in this very thread) can do that I can't do because i don't believe in god. You can't. Name me a evil thing that would and could ONLY be done by a believer in religious faith. Everyone can come up with an example. Let's see:

Well, one thing I can do or at lest I am trying to do better that you in this thread is trying to understand your views on religion and try to explain as calmly as I can why I think that wht you are saying about Christianity is somewhat misguided. While what you are doing here is basically pissing on my religious beliefs of which you clearly know nothing about and put happily together Jews(the ones 'mutilating kids"methinks ), hardcore Muslim Jihadist (the ones flying into skyscrapers) , Nazis (they didn t kill Jews because they killed God, Hitler despised Christianity and so did the SS)Christians etc and also assuming that "we emotionally and verbally abuse our kids if their sexuality does not conform to our Bronze Age book" (here´s what the Church says with regard to homosexuals https://www.usccb.org/committees/laity-marriage-family-life-youth/homosexuality) Cover ups of pedophile rings are shameful indeed, but unfortunately are not an exclusive of the Catholic Church, take Jimmy Saville, take the..BBc in general, take the parents and teachers who abuse children (pedophilia is way more common among parents and teachers than among the ranks of the Catholic Church). Also, you mention the Enlightenment and its wonders, are you aware of how many people were slaughtered during the French Terror alone? Torquemada himself looks a boyscout in comparison

 

[sonicwhite]

What can I do to prove I love you I'm willing to get chopped up so you're saved from death twice.

On God!

 

[skipjames]

What can I do to prove I love you I'm willing to get chopped up so you're saved from death twice.

On God!

"17 These things I command you, that ye love one another.

18 If the world hate you, ye know that it hated me before it hated you.

19 If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you.

20 Remember the word that I said unto you, The servant is not greater than his lord. If they have persecuted me, they will also persecute you; if they have kept my saying, they will keep yours also. "

So my brother do your best but expect the worse !! God Bless

 

[gordonliddy]

You all are just proving my point with your replies.

As do you ours with yours. One would almost think we look at things from different perspectives?

Yes Jesus did say those better things but he also said wicked things and you cant ignore the bad parts.

Nor do we seek to. Though you judge Christ ill, he would take a more charitable view of you. You care enough about scholarship to actually read scripture, something many of Christ's foes do not. You care enough about logic to look for inconsistency. Though you seek to trample Christ, Christ would not take so dim a view of you.

They didn't need Jesus to fight for justice and be moral. Any moral act a christian can do I as a non-believer can do.

Also not true. Jesus invented civil rights, even physics. Without Jesus there would not have been a civil rights movement.

To excuse, justify, accept, (or worse) actually follow and do and carry out the EVIL verses from the "most moral book" supposedly said by THE "perfect human", you have to be a believer.

Not true. You claim not to be a believer, but you must be possible of following some of the scriptures that you seek to cast down. Morever, Christ specified that the Devil was capable of misquoting scripture. A twisted mind will take artistic license with scripture and do evil in the name of good. You are hardly the one to discover this.

Name me a good/moral thing a christian (even one in this very thread) can do that I can't do because i don't believe in god. You can't.

As the inventor of morals, when nonbelievers attempt good they still are able to achieve good only through Christ. Christ has assured us that he will take them into Heaven. He was specific upon these points.

Name me a evil thing that would and could ONLY be done by a believer in religious faith. Everyone can come up with an example. Let's see:

Mutilating the genitals of CHILDREN because god said so.

Nonbelievers also mutilate children.

Conducting a human sacrifice to atone for humanity's sins (as if that has any logical moral sense to it). If i had been there, i would have done everything in my power to STOP a man being tortured to death "for our sins" or as the Romans saw it, saying seditious and blasphemous things.

As noted, you share in common with many converts a desire to confront the authorities (always wicked people) on behalf of the downtrodden. You seem to have more in common with Christians, and with the Savior himself than you would like to admit.

I don't see a human sacrifice in the middle east 2000 years ago over nothing as a beautiful story.

Because you lack the capacity to appreciate it. God's mind is extensive and he can find one hundred positive things in a storm, an earthquake or a volcano. This is not a sign of decadence but a sign of intellect.

Because I am an atheist that claim the beliefs of humanism and The Enlightenment, I see it as an unnecessary tragedy that happened because of barbaric and backwards laws and morals that were the norm in that time and place in history. I digress... more evil things that can only be done by a believer:

Jesus invented the Englightenment.

I could go on and will if you want me to.

I want you to. God has made you clever and intellectual, but he has made me patient. This can be brought to you and more if you are willing to turn away from your sins.

 

[SpiralusSancti]

Jesus updated old-testament evil jealous needy god’s logic
Jesus didn’t wrote anything, at least not for public
Jesus never said he’s a G

There were/are hundreds, thousands, maybe millions of prophets

Christians don’t cut dicks

And true Muslims shouldn't kill as Muhamed said – Biggest jihad is jihad against thyself

Is religion outdated again, yeah, sure and New Age didn’t filled up the gaps between religion, science and philosophy so we need a new prophet or maybe we can merge our minds or maybe maybe baby we can just get along and become a space civilization to compare scriptures with other, older civilizations or just chill and uncrowded planets and moons so we don’t fight about stupid things

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

Matthew Chapter 5, Verse 27-30 (this is Jesus speaking here)

[27] "You have heard that it was said, `You shall not commit adultery.'
[28] But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart.
[29] If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.
[30] And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.

You read that right. According to the supposedly meek and mild Jesus, simply being a human male and having normal and instinctual thoughts and feelings come up in your mind & body can get you thrown into hellfire. This supposedly moral man is saying it is better to blind yourself than to see an attractive woman and have a sexual thought. In the Christian myth God is all powerful and the creator of humanity. This God created us as a species which reproduces through sex, therefore evolving lustful instincts to encourage us to engage in reproduction. Then, after doing this, he sends his son to tell us that we can be condemned for eternity and thrown into the lake of fire for having "bad" thoughts. He created us sick, then condemns us for it. The cherry on top of this wicked cake is that this supposedly benevolent God/ Jesus does all this and is considered by Christians as benevolent and that he loves you (and you are commanded to love him). This is the sick, twisted, brutal, barbaric, and sadistic MORAL CHAOS of The Bible. And that's just one example in a very long book...

People who think the Bible, Yahweh, and Jesus is moral, wise, merciful, enlightening, and something to admired and followed are either evil or lying to themselves through cognitive dissonance because they can't accept that the religion that they have been indoctrinated into a religion they are told is good and moral since the day they were born. Or lastly, and I think this is the majority reason by far. Most people who consider themselves Christian have never picked up and read, cover to cover, the book they think is the inspired word of God and all they know about Christianity is through their preacher and bible study that justifies this barbarity, or usually just doesn't bring it up.

Please my beautifully flawed fellow primates. Throw off the chains of religious faith and come into the light of reason. Throw away the sick commandments of the Bible and claim the rights of The Enlightenment. Give up the arrogant and grandiose claim that there is a God that cares about you, does stuff for you and made this universe all for us and accept the beautifully humble fact that we are a chromosome away from a Chimpanzee. We aren't the center of the universe. We don't know why we are here. We don't know why the universe exists. We don't even know if there is a "why" in the first place. It's surprising the comfort you can receive from being okay with not knowing all the answers. Finally, the stuff we do know exists. Black Holes, Evolution through natural selection, the beauties of science and the glory of artistic expression, human love and empathy, just all the beautiful things and processes we discover on this mossy wet rock we call Earth. These things, to me, are far more beautiful, interesting, and inspiring then that ancient bronze age Bible. Wether you are Christian or not, we are still brother and sister homo sapiens, and that's what really matters. And remember, it's ok to have sexual desires about someone that isnt your spouse, as long as you don't act on it. And even if you do, you don't deserve to go to hell but don't be surprised if a divorce is coming your way. I tease of course and Peace & Love to you all.

If it's such an issue for you don't believe in Jesus.
If you don't speak & read fluent Yiddish please don't comment about "The Bible"

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

What a stupid comment, you have just brushed aside every Religion on Earth from the very concept of "Religion" from ancient animistic religions upto whatever today (I can say Santa Muerte "Brujeria" as I actually do it & it's only been Public since the early 2000's & that was in a Mexican Barrio (Slum)

You are beyond foolish, please DON'T have any Children for the sake of the Planet.

It's not a stupid comment actually. ALL religions are outdated and infantile and bring nothing but trouble to this world.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

ALL religions........bring nothing but trouble to this world.

No, it's some of the stupid people who follow them & don't understand what is being said.
We have people on here who take The Bible as actual things to do, the OP went on a rant about pulling your own eyes out FFS, you really think Jesus was saying to pull your eyes out if you get horny? How is humanity meant to keep going if we don't fuck & poor Jesus won't have anyone to give him praises.

Simple Logic imho.

 

[Zopiclone bandit]

I will play my Ace card here, this always bugs me so much & needs to be said.
The Nath Tradition of Sadhu's show huge Respect to Jesus & he was meant to have been a Nath at some point, I will be shocked if 3% of this page know who the Nath Yogi's are.

People talk way too much about stuff they have NO understanding of & it shows sadly.

 

[F.U.B.A.R.]

I will play my Ace card here, this always bugs me so much & needs to be said.
The Nath Tradition of Sadhu's show huge Respect to Jesus & he was meant to have been a Nath at some point, I will be shocked if 3% of this page know who the Nath Yogi's are.

People talk way too much about stuff they have NO understanding of & it shows sadly.

Mate, it's obvious that you're intelligent and well read, but why waste your energy studying fairy tales?

Who cares if nobody knows who the Nath Yogis are? They are not important.

 

[SpiralusSancti]

It’s perfectly made for shitty people like him.

I was pointing to difference between old testament and new testament and it’s true as someone said that without Jesus we wouldn’t have enlightenment era, but 2k years after and it’s outdated too.

Least outdated are some non-theistic and post-theistic traditions. Even tho I believe in God it’s a personal thing and idiots who don’t get that, religious or atheist should be hushed down.

Only thing I liked about Nath Yogis that me and other non-sect Aghoras pissed in their mouth and fed Shiva with Naths..

 

[SpiralusSancti]

So other 97%, if you have a Nath Yogi in your neighbourhood keep him away from children and woman.

Let them fuck and eat their dogs but keep them at burial ground with their booze where they belong.

 

[SpiralusSancti]

No, it's some of the stupid people who follow them & don't understand what is being said.
We have people on here who take The Bible as actual things to do, the OP went on a rant about pulling your own eyes out FFS, you really think Jesus was saying to pull your eyes out if you get horny?

It was well within and above what was considered cutting edge 2k years ago. In land of savage rapist, woman with no rights stoned for stupid things it was a good advice at that time, it isn’t any-more. And even that was metaphor, still, outdated...

 

[Atomic_Decay]

First thing I read after returning to BL from months away and the only rational explanation that I can think of for such inanity is that some time back in ‘21 during one of his many banning, our much beloved @Gnostic Bishop retreated for 40 days and 40 nights to the darkness of a cave in the mountains near the Dead Sea…in which, following instructions he received directly from God via the dying mouth of a burning catholic nun he’d torched himself… he discovered and fucked a magical two-headed goat called Cecily…from who’s womb we now consequently have @keseyhitchens ..

Note: in 2,000 years of religious scholarship not a single Church scholar in any major Christian denomination has ever said that these sections of the Sermon on the Mount are literal. In fact, for all that time they have said the opposite ..this section is both deliberately hyperbolic and highly symbolic using metaphors*.. (more easily seen in the original Greek) that resonated clearly with first and second century audiences …and we can probably believe them ..since Jesus is Mr. Parable himself and everything else literal he is recorded as saying and doing send the opposite message to the OP’s take. Nowhere anywhere in Christianity is there any teaching that mutilation of the body is a way to avoid orf atone for sin.

*..Right Eye,.. (symbol to do with thought) , Right Hand (symbol to do with theft and property - women were pretty much property under Roman and Jewish Law and adultery was a property crime as well as a sin)