morphine-dreams
Bluelighter
I took it for about a week or two, when I stopped I got mild chills and very mild GI symptoms for a few hours and that was that.
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I withdrawal all the way through every single month and with 6mg lope in the morning and 4mg at night for four to five days I can avoid most of the physical symptoms. After 5 days I just stop taking it and I'm fine. 80mg oxy a day habit so I have a light habit compared to some.
QuantumSuicide
Greenlighter
My remedy for major opiate withdrawal (eg. Heroin or fentanyl or oxycodone) without something like methadone or suboxone is the following:
1. Multivitamin and lots of water
2. Get your hands on some Clonadine. .2-.3mg does the trick for me
3. Throw a small dose of a dissociative in there like ketamine to temporarily "dissociate" your brain from the painful withdrawal symptoms. (Eg 30-50mg of ketamine HCL, maybe make a nasal spray with it! I have and it works well for me)
4. Throw in small doses of a antihistamine like Visteril or Benedryl every few hours to reduce the chills
5. Last but most importantly...Kratom. Lifesaver for opiate withdrawals. Acts as a sort of kind of opiate but adequately reduced withdrawal symptoms. Reach for some Bali or Red Vein Borneo, mhmm
If all else fails and you still feel like blowing your brains out , get some (legal) codeine syrup. In my state, some "mom and pop" pharmacies sell 4 ounce bottles of Codeine and Guafenisin syrup in limited ammounts without a prescription! The bottles I get have 236mg of codeine in the whole bottle, but a lot of Guafenisin in them too so take it easy with it! Get some sprite and jolly ranchers and you got yourself some makeshift Drank. Codeine is an opiate though, so I would personally use this as an absolute last resort, and sip it slowly over the course of a day....or two! Make it last. I'd reccomend this for the worst part of the withdrawals (1-3 days without an opiate), and again only if you feel absolutely terrible.
1. Multivitamin and lots of water
2. Get your hands on some Clonadine. .2-.3mg does the trick for me
3. Throw a small dose of a dissociative in there like ketamine to temporarily "dissociate" your brain from the painful withdrawal symptoms. (Eg 30-50mg of ketamine HCL, maybe make a nasal spray with it! I have and it works well for me)
4. Throw in small doses of a antihistamine like Visteril or Benedryl every few hours to reduce the chills
5. Last but most importantly...Kratom. Lifesaver for opiate withdrawals. Acts as a sort of kind of opiate but adequately reduced withdrawal symptoms. Reach for some Bali or Red Vein Borneo, mhmm
If all else fails and you still feel like blowing your brains out , get some (legal) codeine syrup. In my state, some "mom and pop" pharmacies sell 4 ounce bottles of Codeine and Guafenisin syrup in limited ammounts without a prescription! The bottles I get have 236mg of codeine in the whole bottle, but a lot of Guafenisin in them too so take it easy with it! Get some sprite and jolly ranchers and you got yourself some makeshift Drank. Codeine is an opiate though, so I would personally use this as an absolute last resort, and sip it slowly over the course of a day....or two! Make it last. I'd reccomend this for the worst part of the withdrawals (1-3 days without an opiate), and again only if you feel absolutely terrible.
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morphine-dreams
Bluelighter
4mg on the first day, 2 for a while, and then down to 1 but honestly at that point it didn't even make much of a difference so I just jumped.
thelung
Bluelighter
No you'd be fine
jemery
Greenlighter
So, I've been on this site a good number of times while I was using. BUT ive never really posted anything. So here it goes..
I admitted to the US government that yes I still have a problem with alcohol and drugs to boot. So of course I got kicked out this past July. The second rehab they sent me to in FL got me back on the band wagon but only lasted for a couple of months until I went crazy, cheated on a perfectly nice non addicted gentleman, and ran off with an ex army guy with ptsd and a bottle of perks. Somewhere along the way, God got my attention again and I ended up back with my family. The only thing is that my brother has gotten him a script of subs and willingly has been giving me 4 - 6 g daily. He's been doing this because I have been the one buying it off of Dope fiends looking to sell their script and while he was waiting to get into the clinic.
I stopped drinking almost three weeks ago because it was definitely getting out of hand, got myself to AA, got my chip, but still knew that the sub intake had to go. Plus I plan on hiking the AT in march and I really don't want to have the shits as I drag my fat butt up springer mountain. So here I am this evening on a blizzard cold night trying to get through day one... my nose is running, my stomach hurts, and my muscles ache and it hasn't even been 24 hrs..hopefully this will get out of my system quickly, but tomorrow I have to take my brother to his doc appointment for refill. I pray to God that He will give me the strength to stop.
I admitted to the US government that yes I still have a problem with alcohol and drugs to boot. So of course I got kicked out this past July. The second rehab they sent me to in FL got me back on the band wagon but only lasted for a couple of months until I went crazy, cheated on a perfectly nice non addicted gentleman, and ran off with an ex army guy with ptsd and a bottle of perks. Somewhere along the way, God got my attention again and I ended up back with my family. The only thing is that my brother has gotten him a script of subs and willingly has been giving me 4 - 6 g daily. He's been doing this because I have been the one buying it off of Dope fiends looking to sell their script and while he was waiting to get into the clinic.
I stopped drinking almost three weeks ago because it was definitely getting out of hand, got myself to AA, got my chip, but still knew that the sub intake had to go. Plus I plan on hiking the AT in march and I really don't want to have the shits as I drag my fat butt up springer mountain. So here I am this evening on a blizzard cold night trying to get through day one... my nose is running, my stomach hurts, and my muscles ache and it hasn't even been 24 hrs..hopefully this will get out of my system quickly, but tomorrow I have to take my brother to his doc appointment for refill. I pray to God that He will give me the strength to stop.
P0kemama
Bluelighter
Jemery: Welcome to BL and thank you for your service. I am sorry to hear that your honesty was met with being discharged. Anyway, there are a lot of good posts, people with a lot of experience here on BL. I have no experience with subs... I struggle with oxycodone and a couple extended release opiate meds, but I am sure someone will be along soon to offer their take on subs.
BTW: What a great goal to hike the AT! A friend of mine hiked it several years ago, and emailed us her experience as it was happening. Sounds like an experience of a lifetime!
BTW: What a great goal to hike the AT! A friend of mine hiked it several years ago, and emailed us her experience as it was happening. Sounds like an experience of a lifetime!
P0kemama
Bluelighter
I tried tapering again last month off of my oxycodone, oxycontin and morphine sulfate, and was not successful at all. Anyway, I did have to stretch out my meds to avoid full blown withdrawals until my next pain management appointment. I had 1 15 mg oxycodone a day and 1-2 30 mg morphine sulfate for 5 days straight. I had minimal intestinal issues until day 6... which is the day I was able to get my oxycodone filled but nothing extended release. About 5pm last evening, I got violently ill, and was in the bathroom off and on until 4am. I feel like a wrung out dishrag today. I am taking my oxycodone as prescribed. Could it have taken 5 days for the symptoms to get that bad due to not having my Oxycontin, or did I simply get a stomach virus? I am super bummed out, as I had some fun plans for today, and can hardly get off the couch. I do not want to use more oxy than prescribed, so I guess I am stuck at home.
jemery
Greenlighter
Thanks. I feel like whenever I abuse anything its most definitely accompanied with lies...that i tell myself. I didn't make it today. I had time to sit and feel my body in its present state and a flood of anxiety crashed into me like a 15 footer. OK, maybe not that bad and looking back I am being very much a baby. Cudos to you for attempting to taper off of what sounds like quite the concotion. My first "love" was the synthetic H and I think the only way I was able to get clean was to beg the military to take me in and keep my mind busy with boot camp and other stuff. But of course it didn't last very long...a 6 year career with intermittent drug abuse from whomever I could get it from and not giving a rats ass about the ways I got it was a waste of my time.Sigh..and I don't even have any issues with pain. That would be the true obstacle..getting off of meds when you have actual for real diagnosed pain......prayers*
P0kemama
Bluelighter
Jemery: I hear you about the lying and addiction going together. Of course I rationalize my usage... I will always have a reason I cannot give up my medication. I better watch out though, that I don't get discharged from pain management, as the testing laboratories my clinic uses have very sensitive testing equipment, and I tested positive for gabapentin that I had saved from a long time ago. I used some old Tramadol I had prescribed years ago, and hope it doesn't show up when I go back next month. I just might end up off the pills by getting kicked out. I lied to the doctor and told him I have sleep problems so was trying some of my old medication to help... but I was just trying to enhance my opiates and extend the buzz.
Jijigaga: Welcome to Bluelight! I don't know what a trap house is... I would love to hear more!
Jijigaga: Welcome to Bluelight! I don't know what a trap house is... I would love to hear more!
crzydiamond
Bluelighter
I did. Not a stupid question at all
I hadn't done heroin in 32+ hours. I had taken loperamide and didn't feel sick. Felt very lethargic and had work. Figured I'd take a piece of sub before work. Took about 2 mg. All of a sudden I started feeling a bad tingly shakiness throughout my body...then I barely made it to the toilet. Right into immediate wd.
I posted about that back when it happened. I would choose one route or the other. If the loperamide is working don't take the sub. That was my error. If you'd prefer sub then do that
And to your other questions , most can be answered in the lope threads. But basically after you get thru the 5-7 days of opiate wd, you just decrease the pills. How fast you stop those depends on how many you took to feel not sick. The lope doesn't have the cravings that opioids do, so it's not hard to taper. The pills also last like 12 hours so you can just lessen each dose, say if you are taking 10 pills in morning and 10 at night then go down to 9 & 9. You get the idea
crzydiamond
Bluelighter
I tried tapering again last month off of my oxycodone, oxycontin and morphine sulfate, and was not successful at all. Anyway, I did have to stretch out my meds to avoid full blown withdrawals until my next pain management appointment. I had 1 15 mg oxycodone a day and 1-2 30 mg morphine sulfate for 5 days straight. I had minimal intestinal issues until day 6... which is the day I was able to get my oxycodone filled but nothing extended release. About 5pm last evening, I got violently ill, and was in the bathroom off and on until 4am. I feel like a wrung out dishrag today. I am taking my oxycodone as prescribed. Could it have taken 5 days for the symptoms to get that bad due to not having my Oxycontin, or did I simply get a stomach virus? I am super bummed out, as I had some fun plans for today, and can hardly get off the couch. I do not want to use more oxy than prescribed, so I guess I am stuck at home.
Probably a virus. It would not take that long to have oxy wd related GI issues. Heck, even with methadone you start getting them sooner than that.
P0kemama
Bluelighter
Thank you, Crzy!
rave23
Bluelighter
About to go through furanylfentanyl withdrawal.
What am I in for? Currently taking between 10 - 30 mg per day intranasally.
I have copious amounts of xanax, Klonopin and Valium on hand, and will have 8 x 8/2 mg suboxone coming soon (in a week or two, that's when I plan on stopping when I have the suboxone)
Will the suboxone matter at all? I can taper the furanylfentanyl some, is this advisable?
What can I expect?
My current game plan is stopping the furanylfentanyl after tapering just enough to keep me on the edge of sickness, then going to sleep and waking up in withdrawal. I plan on then taking 8 mg of suboxone, but I honestly have no idea if that's going to do much.
What am I in for? Currently taking between 10 - 30 mg per day intranasally.
I have copious amounts of xanax, Klonopin and Valium on hand, and will have 8 x 8/2 mg suboxone coming soon (in a week or two, that's when I plan on stopping when I have the suboxone)
Will the suboxone matter at all? I can taper the furanylfentanyl some, is this advisable?
What can I expect?
My current game plan is stopping the furanylfentanyl after tapering just enough to keep me on the edge of sickness, then going to sleep and waking up in withdrawal. I plan on then taking 8 mg of suboxone, but I honestly have no idea if that's going to do much.
SavageHank
Greenlighter
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Hi,
I'm not sure where to post this, but I just want to get it down so I can hear some feedback. I've been addicted to Poppy Seed Tea for a while. (~5yrs on/off). I got clean from it cold turkey the first time, but that only lasted for maybe 2 years. I've quit suboxone CT at a high dose before (~8mg/day). I stupidly started suboxone during what would've been a relatively easy Roxy withdrawal. Quitting subs lead to Poppy seed tea (because it was "legal"). Knowing what I know now, I think PST is ridiculously hard to WD from. This time around, I've been using for about a year. My dose is pretty irrelevant, I think, because I have no idea how much Morphine/Codeine et al, I've been ingesting. I've been taking ~1.25 lbs. of strong seeds to make my daily dose.
So here is why I'm posting...it's time to stop again. I decided to meet with a Sub doc and tried to induce after 40 hours since my last dose. That lead to precipitated withdrawals...started at 4mg, then 8mg, then 12mg...and nothing. Crushed, I made a quick .90 lb batch of PST. (I only did 1 wash vs. my usual 3 washes). This basically eased the withdrawals and helped me get through the day and even sleep all night. I wasn't "fine". I was BRIGHT red and had hot flashes, but I could walk around, which I needed, because we were going away for the weekend on a camping trip. Being a husband and father, i had a lot to do...I couldn't just lay around and wait it out (not that that's any easier). The next day I actually felt OK when I woke up. I made the mistake of trying my suboxone again with similar results (though not quite as bad as the day before)...with no relief at all, I ended up taking 16mg throughout the day (the last 4mg once I noticed I wouldn't be sleeping). So this night, I had to get up and leave the camper with diarrhea about 4 or 5 times. I was actually glad to be getting some of the toxicity out of my intestines (as I assumed that's what lead to my precipitated withdrawals----the drugs lingering in my intestines without being "evacuated" enough in the 40 hours since my last dose). I drank a whole bottle of benadryl and a whole bunch of tylenol PM's etc., which didn't seem to do anything, but I did seem to maybe sleep for 2 hours from 4am-6am...Had to pack up and head home the next day (yesterday). With only 12mg of subs left, I dosed 4mg in the morning around 8am...and then another 4 around 11am....this time, around 38 hours after that PST dose (that I had hoped would not have mattered, but it did). Still no relief, I broke down AGAIN and took a .50lb of seeds to make 1 wash of tea. Rested for most of the day. I drank 4 beers throughout the afternoon/evening and still wasn't sure if I would sleep, so I took 6 tylenol pms (stupid move)...this made me snore and my wife thought that meant I dosed again because I didn't snore when we were camping...not sure why I didn't snore the 1st night camping (maybe the beer helps cause it)...
Okay, so today is Monday. The sub doc called to check on me. I told her what happened, and she promptly dropped me. he told me she would call in 2 weeks of 8mg subs as a "courtesy" and then I was on my own. (Fwiw, I called the doc after induction telling her about the precipitated withdrawal caused....she told me to up it to 12mg for that day). When I told her I had used 12mg avg. over the next 2 days, she dropped me without disucssion. Basically hung up on me, and told me to call back with my pharmacy phone number. This hurt. I was hoping she would work with me. My plan....my hope was that I could stabilize on 4mg of subs at induction and taper off over 2 weeks. When the induction didn't work, I didn't know what to do (they worked so well for pill wd's)....
So , here I am....about 22hours since that last .50lb dose off PST. I'm managing right now. luckily I can "work" from home...I have 4mg of subs left, and hopefully that doctor actually called in the 2wk script to my pharmacy. My thinking right now is to try taking Loperamide once the withdrawals start to really kick in again (probably before that to be honest, as they take a long time to kick in)...After that, I want to get to a point where I can get through a safe 4mg induction of Suboxone...I just have NO IDEA how long to wait...48hrs?, 72hrs? 7 days??? This shit is so ridiculous that I half way wish I would've just been using heroin so the Subs would have worked...
I'm looking for advice on what to do over the next couple of days. I had considered a taper plan with PST, but that will only prolong things and force me to keep lying to my wife. on top of this, my companies new fiscal year is just starting and I have to go to Vegas in 8 days, for 2 days of conferences (including meeting my new boss)....
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Sorry for the looooooong post here. Mods please feel free to move this. I don't know where it should go. I am very interested and hopeful for any advice I can get from here. Thanks....
Hi,
I'm not sure where to post this, but I just want to get it down so I can hear some feedback. I've been addicted to Poppy Seed Tea for a while. (~5yrs on/off). I got clean from it cold turkey the first time, but that only lasted for maybe 2 years. I've quit suboxone CT at a high dose before (~8mg/day). I stupidly started suboxone during what would've been a relatively easy Roxy withdrawal. Quitting subs lead to Poppy seed tea (because it was "legal"). Knowing what I know now, I think PST is ridiculously hard to WD from. This time around, I've been using for about a year. My dose is pretty irrelevant, I think, because I have no idea how much Morphine/Codeine et al, I've been ingesting. I've been taking ~1.25 lbs. of strong seeds to make my daily dose.
So here is why I'm posting...it's time to stop again. I decided to meet with a Sub doc and tried to induce after 40 hours since my last dose. That lead to precipitated withdrawals...started at 4mg, then 8mg, then 12mg...and nothing. Crushed, I made a quick .90 lb batch of PST. (I only did 1 wash vs. my usual 3 washes). This basically eased the withdrawals and helped me get through the day and even sleep all night. I wasn't "fine". I was BRIGHT red and had hot flashes, but I could walk around, which I needed, because we were going away for the weekend on a camping trip. Being a husband and father, i had a lot to do...I couldn't just lay around and wait it out (not that that's any easier). The next day I actually felt OK when I woke up. I made the mistake of trying my suboxone again with similar results (though not quite as bad as the day before)...with no relief at all, I ended up taking 16mg throughout the day (the last 4mg once I noticed I wouldn't be sleeping). So this night, I had to get up and leave the camper with diarrhea about 4 or 5 times. I was actually glad to be getting some of the toxicity out of my intestines (as I assumed that's what lead to my precipitated withdrawals----the drugs lingering in my intestines without being "evacuated" enough in the 40 hours since my last dose). I drank a whole bottle of benadryl and a whole bunch of tylenol PM's etc., which didn't seem to do anything, but I did seem to maybe sleep for 2 hours from 4am-6am...Had to pack up and head home the next day (yesterday). With only 12mg of subs left, I dosed 4mg in the morning around 8am...and then another 4 around 11am....this time, around 38 hours after that PST dose (that I had hoped would not have mattered, but it did). Still no relief, I broke down AGAIN and took a .50lb of seeds to make 1 wash of tea. Rested for most of the day. I drank 4 beers throughout the afternoon/evening and still wasn't sure if I would sleep, so I took 6 tylenol pms (stupid move)...this made me snore and my wife thought that meant I dosed again because I didn't snore when we were camping...not sure why I didn't snore the 1st night camping (maybe the beer helps cause it)...
Okay, so today is Monday. The sub doc called to check on me. I told her what happened, and she promptly dropped me. he told me she would call in 2 weeks of 8mg subs as a "courtesy" and then I was on my own. (Fwiw, I called the doc after induction telling her about the precipitated withdrawal caused....she told me to up it to 12mg for that day). When I told her I had used 12mg avg. over the next 2 days, she dropped me without disucssion. Basically hung up on me, and told me to call back with my pharmacy phone number. This hurt. I was hoping she would work with me. My plan....my hope was that I could stabilize on 4mg of subs at induction and taper off over 2 weeks. When the induction didn't work, I didn't know what to do (they worked so well for pill wd's)....
So , here I am....about 22hours since that last .50lb dose off PST. I'm managing right now. luckily I can "work" from home...I have 4mg of subs left, and hopefully that doctor actually called in the 2wk script to my pharmacy. My thinking right now is to try taking Loperamide once the withdrawals start to really kick in again (probably before that to be honest, as they take a long time to kick in)...After that, I want to get to a point where I can get through a safe 4mg induction of Suboxone...I just have NO IDEA how long to wait...48hrs?, 72hrs? 7 days??? This shit is so ridiculous that I half way wish I would've just been using heroin so the Subs would have worked...
I'm looking for advice on what to do over the next couple of days. I had considered a taper plan with PST, but that will only prolong things and force me to keep lying to my wife. on top of this, my companies new fiscal year is just starting and I have to go to Vegas in 8 days, for 2 days of conferences (including meeting my new boss)....
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Sorry for the looooooong post here. Mods please feel free to move this. I don't know where it should go. I am very interested and hopeful for any advice I can get from here. Thanks....
So im in a similar situation as you but instead of Furanyl Fentanyl im on Acryl Fentanyl.
I was taking between 10-20mg/day - intranasally. But have in the last week tapered down to only somewhere in the range of 1-5mg/day, I redose every 1h - 2h as if now. But I can easily go 6h without any major withdrawal.
The worst I get is the nerves, I cannot sit still or lay still for long.
I will start of Buprenorphine this week, either wednessday or friday and I will take a good 24h between my last dose and the dose if Bupe to avoid acute WD's from the two mixing and crashing.
How are you doing right now mate?
chase_in_56ace
Ex-Bluelighter
Subs are a miracle drug, but not a cure all. You will still feel some residual withdrawal symptoms and need to plan on dealing with those!! Gabapentin, clonidine, low doses of benzos, DXM, and marijuana all come to mind. Depending on what your style and needs are. Sounds like your doctor and you didnt fully go over the plan. Did she prescribe anything else? Usually docs light to write 1mg clonidine and 5mg ambien or meds like those to go with the suboxone script.
A general rule of thumb is... Once you've hit 4mg of suboxone, if you take another 4mg and are still"not feeling" it then you probably wont feel anything from taking more. There's usually a huge difference from 1-2mg, then a big difference from 2-4mg, then a slight difference up to 8mg. At least for me, past that is a waste of suboxone. Very few people actually need that high of a dose.
The best advice i could give you is to get from the seeds to something like hydrocodone before you jump off to suboxone. All the different alkaloids in the PST probably make things more difficult. Idk how feasible that is for you... Good luck
