bass_head808
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- May 18, 2016
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Hi,
I'm not sure where to post this, but I just want to get it down so I can hear some feedback. I've been addicted to Poppy Seed Tea for a while. (~5yrs on/off). I got clean from it cold turkey the first time, but that only lasted for maybe 2 years. I've quit suboxone CT at a high dose before (~8mg/day). I stupidly started suboxone during what would've been a relatively easy Roxy withdrawal. Quitting subs lead to Poppy seed tea (because it was "legal"). Knowing what I know now, I think PST is ridiculously hard to WD from. This time around, I've been using for about a year. My dose is pretty irrelevant, I think, because I have no idea how much Morphine/Codeine et al, I've been ingesting. I've been taking ~1.25 lbs. of strong seeds to make my daily dose.
So here is why I'm posting...it's time to stop again. I decided to meet with a Sub doc and tried to induce after 40 hours since my last dose. That lead to precipitated withdrawals...started at 4mg, then 8mg, then 12mg...and nothing. Crushed, I made a quick .90 lb batch of PST. (I only did 1 wash vs. my usual 3 washes). This basically eased the withdrawals and helped me get through the day and even sleep all night. I wasn't "fine". I was BRIGHT red and had hot flashes, but I could walk around, which I needed, because we were going away for the weekend on a camping trip. Being a husband and father, i had a lot to do...I couldn't just lay around and wait it out (not that that's any easier). The next day I actually felt OK when I woke up. I made the mistake of trying my suboxone again with similar results (though not quite as bad as the day before)...with no relief at all, I ended up taking 16mg throughout the day (the last 4mg once I noticed I wouldn't be sleeping). So this night, I had to get up and leave the camper with diarrhea about 4 or 5 times. I was actually glad to be getting some of the toxicity out of my intestines (as I assumed that's what lead to my precipitated withdrawals----the drugs lingering in my intestines without being "evacuated" enough in the 40 hours since my last dose). I drank a whole bottle of benadryl and a whole bunch of tylenol PM's etc., which didn't seem to do anything, but I did seem to maybe sleep for 2 hours from 4am-6am...Had to pack up and head home the next day (yesterday). With only 12mg of subs left, I dosed 4mg in the morning around 8am...and then another 4 around 11am....this time, around 38 hours after that PST dose (that I had hoped would not have mattered, but it did). Still no relief, I broke down AGAIN and took a .50lb of seeds to make 1 wash of tea. Rested for most of the day. I drank 4 beers throughout the afternoon/evening and still wasn't sure if I would sleep, so I took 6 tylenol pms (stupid move)...this made me snore and my wife thought that meant I dosed again because I didn't snore when we were camping...not sure why I didn't snore the 1st night camping (maybe the beer helps cause it)...
Okay, so today is Monday. The sub doc called to check on me. I told her what happened, and she promptly dropped me. he told me she would call in 2 weeks of 8mg subs as a "courtesy" and then I was on my own. (Fwiw, I called the doc after induction telling her about the precipitated withdrawal caused....she told me to up it to 12mg for that day). When I told her I had used 12mg avg. over the next 2 days, she dropped me without disucssion. Basically hung up on me, and told me to call back with my pharmacy phone number. This hurt. I was hoping she would work with me. My plan....my hope was that I could stabilize on 4mg of subs at induction and taper off over 2 weeks. When the induction didn't work, I didn't know what to do (they worked so well for pill wd's)....
So , here I am....about 22hours since that last .50lb dose off PST. I'm managing right now. luckily I can "work" from home...I have 4mg of subs left, and hopefully that doctor actually called in the 2wk script to my pharmacy. My thinking right now is to try taking Loperamide once the withdrawals start to really kick in again (probably before that to be honest, as they take a long time to kick in)...After that, I want to get to a point where I can get through a safe 4mg induction of Suboxone...I just have NO IDEA how long to wait...48hrs?, 72hrs? 7 days??? This shit is so ridiculous that I half way wish I would've just been using heroin so the Subs would have worked...
I'm looking for advice on what to do over the next couple of days. I had considered a taper plan with PST, but that will only prolong things and force me to keep lying to my wife. on top of this, my companies new fiscal year is just starting and I have to go to Vegas in 8 days, for 2 days of conferences (including meeting my new boss)....
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Sorry for the looooooong post here. Mods please feel free to move this. I don't know where it should go. I am very interested and hopeful for any advice I can get from here. Thanks....
I had a similar experience to this. I also use PST and got a hold of some subs a few weeks ago and tried to kick. I waited around 40 hours and dosed 4mg and it sent me straight into precipitated WD.. I read that you can take more sub every hour to get through the precipitated WD.. that is a load of B.S! I took like an entire 8mg that night and had the worst night of my life. I ended up dosing PST and am preparing for another detox. The best thing to do if you get PWD is stop taking sub and wait it out. I'm guessing we have to wait at least 72 hrs or until we have scored a 26 on the COWS worksheet. I found an awesome induction guide from Mr. Robert 325 online. Start of with real low doses of sub like 2mg. I will messsge you the link to his guide. I'm planning on trying Kratom this time around, at least until I feel safe enough to take the sub. PST is no joke man! The half life is super long. Good luck bud!