The only legal way to hallunicate-sleep depriavation
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DXM is completely different from K. You still feel dissociated, just in a very different way.
And... to the guy who said something about us making him a cynical bastard, DXM can be a really scary drug if you take too much your first time (especially if it's powder).
I was completely unafraid the time i did it, but it still scared the living shit out of me.
If you're talking about acid, then that i can understand, you have to just trust yourself to not totally flip out on acid or mushrooms.
DXM is a completely different story though, i never have bad trips, maybe 1 in 100 of my trips will be bad on acid or mushrooms, but all of my DXM trips have made me very, very afraid, and even though i kept doing it, it was because i liked that fear, not because it felt good.
And... to the guy who said something about us making him a cynical bastard, DXM can be a really scary drug if you take too much your first time (especially if it's powder).
I was completely unafraid the time i did it, but it still scared the living shit out of me.
If you're talking about acid, then that i can understand, you have to just trust yourself to not totally flip out on acid or mushrooms.
DXM is a completely different story though, i never have bad trips, maybe 1 in 100 of my trips will be bad on acid or mushrooms, but all of my DXM trips have made me very, very afraid, and even though i kept doing it, it was because i liked that fear, not because it felt good.
I don't think the fact that you have used DXM and had "bad trips" should effect anyone else's decision to do it. There is nothing that makes DXM inherently more potentially scary than 'acid/mushrooms', unless you have done tons of acid and mushrooms and you are expecting DXM to be just like them. I know several people in real life who did DXM before anything else, and they were never scared in the least by it, in fact they continue to prefer it to the more 'classic psychedelics'. Does this mean anything? No, it just just shows that some people like the drug and some don't...
vivisection
Bluelighter
okay. dxm isn't necessarily fatal in large doses, especially considering the fact that it takes quite a bit to put you in the red zone, and then a bit more to put you past that. something like the equivalent of 4+ 
z bottles of tussin max (generic name, taken to include cvs, rite aid, waltussin, robitussin). these all contain 15mg/5ml dextromethorphan hydrobromide, aka dxm. 237ml/bottle, 15mg/ml gives you 711mg dxm per z bottle, so, yeah, it would take an insane amount of tussin to od on dxm. now, given the fact that after the first bottle or two of tussin you would probably be unable to chug any more due to the overwhelming nausea it would incite in you, you're pretty safe from od'ing on tussin. the same thing goes for things like drixoral and dexalone. you'd have to take about 85 of these to be at the od range stated by someone earlier in this thread. yeah, the day i see somebody down 85 pills within any amount of time for it to be noticeable is the day i give up dxm altogether. the only way for you to be able to od on dxm would be by buying pure dxm and pressing or capping it in extremely high doses yourself.
on to something about the effects of dxm. dxm hbr is an antitussive, or cough suppressant. it acts on the cough center of the medulla, also known as the "lizard brain." this is the part of your brain that also controls balance and other important fundamentals of functioning in society proper. what i believe happens when you robotrip is that the dxm not only "numbs" the cough center in the medulla, but spreads to other parts of said grey matter. that would explain why people can't walk straight, if at all, when they're dexing. i'm still in the process of reading up on the medulla's functions and just exactly how dxm works, so this may be just pointless rambling. but at least it may spark someone else to go and learn something that they can blow someone's mind with.
and to post something about the original post in this thread...while humans are awake, there is a chemical that builds up in our body. i can't remember what it's called right now, so i'll have to get back on that later. it seems that larger amounts of this chemical are found in people who have been awake for long periods of time (go figure). so, maybe a buildup of this chemical is what causes people to "trip" after being awake for days on end. anyone have any solid info on this? seems that this chemical is what makes us tired, and it dissipates as we sleep. very odd behaviour. still, it could be a toxin or a psychoactive, i'm still unsure. i'm going to go a bit more in depth and maybe i'll find something interesting to share. maybe, once i find out what the hell that chemical was called, it will be possible to find it in some plant or something. hell, maybe there's some way to synth it. i don't really know as of now. but, if it can be done, i'll probably be the crazy mofo that tries it and is completely, utterly insane for the rest of my days. all for the sake of knowledge.
have fun when you trip for the first time. make sure you're somewhere comfortable, and it'll be a great experience. and i am going to agree with whoever said to try alcohol and/or mary jane before stepping up to the real psychs. whichever you do first, walk or crawl, i'm sure you'll enjoy it.
z bottles of tussin max (generic name, taken to include cvs, rite aid, waltussin, robitussin). these all contain 15mg/5ml dextromethorphan hydrobromide, aka dxm. 237ml/bottle, 15mg/ml gives you 711mg dxm per z bottle, so, yeah, it would take an insane amount of tussin to od on dxm. now, given the fact that after the first bottle or two of tussin you would probably be unable to chug any more due to the overwhelming nausea it would incite in you, you're pretty safe from od'ing on tussin. the same thing goes for things like drixoral and dexalone. you'd have to take about 85 of these to be at the od range stated by someone earlier in this thread. yeah, the day i see somebody down 85 pills within any amount of time for it to be noticeable is the day i give up dxm altogether. the only way for you to be able to od on dxm would be by buying pure dxm and pressing or capping it in extremely high doses yourself.on to something about the effects of dxm. dxm hbr is an antitussive, or cough suppressant. it acts on the cough center of the medulla, also known as the "lizard brain." this is the part of your brain that also controls balance and other important fundamentals of functioning in society proper. what i believe happens when you robotrip is that the dxm not only "numbs" the cough center in the medulla, but spreads to other parts of said grey matter. that would explain why people can't walk straight, if at all, when they're dexing. i'm still in the process of reading up on the medulla's functions and just exactly how dxm works, so this may be just pointless rambling. but at least it may spark someone else to go and learn something that they can blow someone's mind with.
and to post something about the original post in this thread...while humans are awake, there is a chemical that builds up in our body. i can't remember what it's called right now, so i'll have to get back on that later. it seems that larger amounts of this chemical are found in people who have been awake for long periods of time (go figure). so, maybe a buildup of this chemical is what causes people to "trip" after being awake for days on end. anyone have any solid info on this? seems that this chemical is what makes us tired, and it dissipates as we sleep. very odd behaviour. still, it could be a toxin or a psychoactive, i'm still unsure. i'm going to go a bit more in depth and maybe i'll find something interesting to share. maybe, once i find out what the hell that chemical was called, it will be possible to find it in some plant or something. hell, maybe there's some way to synth it. i don't really know as of now. but, if it can be done, i'll probably be the crazy mofo that tries it and is completely, utterly insane for the rest of my days. all for the sake of knowledge.
have fun when you trip for the first time. make sure you're somewhere comfortable, and it'll be a great experience. and i am going to agree with whoever said to try alcohol and/or mary jane before stepping up to the real psychs. whichever you do first, walk or crawl, i'm sure you'll enjoy it.
Ewww dude, don't use DXM as your first drug experience. DXM is so unlike anything else. Nothing I've ever taken has fucked me up more. There's not much to take from the experience either.
At least in my case I don't even remember my trips. I only remember them when I go back on a trip. All I can tell you is that I tried three times withz of Robo, and all three trips were the same to me, hell!
It's like being trapped in a videogame that is lagging at 1 frame per second. The world you see skips around. I would walk to a room and completely not remember how I got there. My mind was total chaos. I was unable to piss. Each time I ended up in the bathroom forcing myself to puke it out.
Just go for some shrooms! There's nothing cooler than having your ego dissolve and becoming pure consciousness. It's so unadulterated, so innocent, so beautiful. Not to mention waving walls, and synthaesia (mixing of the senses). I remember being in the car with my friend listening to techno, except it was unlike anytime before. I wasn't "one" with the music, I WAS the music. I could see the music as patterns, I could feel it. It's hard to describe mixing of the senses, but it's truly amazing.
DXM lovers may flame me for my post, but realize that some people like it, some people don't. I gave it a go thrice and I'll never ever touch it again.
If you are truly afraid of a bad trip. Try MDA! Goodluck finding it of course, but if you do, prepare for a nice trip. Let's just say I've never had a more spiritual journey.
Goodluck, and be safe!
At least in my case I don't even remember my trips. I only remember them when I go back on a trip. All I can tell you is that I tried three times with
z of Robo, and all three trips were the same to me, hell! It's like being trapped in a videogame that is lagging at 1 frame per second. The world you see skips around. I would walk to a room and completely not remember how I got there. My mind was total chaos. I was unable to piss. Each time I ended up in the bathroom forcing myself to puke it out.
Just go for some shrooms! There's nothing cooler than having your ego dissolve and becoming pure consciousness. It's so unadulterated, so innocent, so beautiful. Not to mention waving walls, and synthaesia (mixing of the senses). I remember being in the car with my friend listening to techno, except it was unlike anytime before. I wasn't "one" with the music, I WAS the music. I could see the music as patterns, I could feel it. It's hard to describe mixing of the senses, but it's truly amazing.
DXM lovers may flame me for my post, but realize that some people like it, some people don't. I gave it a go thrice and I'll never ever touch it again.
If you are truly afraid of a bad trip. Try MDA! Goodluck finding it of course, but if you do, prepare for a nice trip. Let's just say I've never had a more spiritual journey.
Goodluck, and be safe!
kevlar
Bluelighter
In my experiences with DXM I strongly feel the dissasociative properties at a much higher degreee than the hallucinatory properties. As for computer...my personal recommendation is that for your first experience, do not do acid. This is completely up to you but I will state my reason why I would not advise this. Acid has a very strong tendancy ( esp on the first time) to induce a manic state of paranoia due to the strangeness of the experience and the complete mindfuck of the situation. You never stated if you would have an experienced sitter that you would have "guiding" you through your experience, BUT...if you do have someone with extensive LSD experience then I wouldnt be so fast to discourage you from trying LSD. In my opinion psylocybin and psylocin would be muc more appropriate for a first time experience for you...not to say that it is a milder experience, but that its duration is much shorter and its effect tend to feel more "natural" if you can at all say that a drugs effect can be so. Just please think strongly before making a finaly decesion, and much luck to yuo and your first experince.
Neural Shock
Bluelighter
The best way to hallucinate is.... the exact opposite of your original (IMO stupid) idea.
When you enter REM sleep, vivid hallucinations occur across all the various senses. It's normally quite overwhelming in that mostly you believe you are experiencing these events. Ego loss, return to childhood, being someone/something/somewhere else is common also. It's called dreaming.
[ 27 March 2002: Message edited by: Neural_Shock ]
When you enter REM sleep, vivid hallucinations occur across all the various senses. It's normally quite overwhelming in that mostly you believe you are experiencing these events. Ego loss, return to childhood, being someone/something/somewhere else is common also. It's called dreaming.
[ 27 March 2002: Message edited by: Neural_Shock ]
PuristLove
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In my opinion the danger zone starts at 20mg/kg. I wouldn't go over that...
I think it's a good idea for a first drug experience, or a tenth. I don't really agree with working your way up to the more insane drugs, though. Nothing can really prepare you for such a different type of high, so just go for it.
I think it's a good idea for a first drug experience, or a tenth. I don't really agree with working your way up to the more insane drugs, though. Nothing can really prepare you for such a different type of high, so just go for it.
Pander Bear
Bluelight Crew
Uh... You guys aren't saying that in reference to my post are you? I said that people SHOULDN'T do 'lighter drugs' and work up to psychedelics, they should START with strong psychedelics!
There is nothing about DXM that is "dirty" or "scary" or "vile" compared to shrooms, it only SEEMS like that when you COMPARE it to shrooms/acid after having those type of experiences first. If you try DXM first, DXM will seem to be the default trip style, the normal trip, and it will have all the qualities that those people associated shrooms with... Later If you then hear all kinds of scary things about shrooms and them being unnatural and weird, and you try them just to see, THEY will seem strange and scary and worthless...
It's just your perspective... DXM is only 'evil' if you go into it with a closed mind and keep thinking "Oh no why isn't this like SHROOMS?"
Learn to appreciate it for what it is, and you will find it has equal value.
There is nothing about DXM that is "dirty" or "scary" or "vile" compared to shrooms, it only SEEMS like that when you COMPARE it to shrooms/acid after having those type of experiences first. If you try DXM first, DXM will seem to be the default trip style, the normal trip, and it will have all the qualities that those people associated shrooms with... Later If you then hear all kinds of scary things about shrooms and them being unnatural and weird, and you try them just to see, THEY will seem strange and scary and worthless...
It's just your perspective... DXM is only 'evil' if you go into it with a closed mind and keep thinking "Oh no why isn't this like SHROOMS?"
Learn to appreciate it for what it is, and you will find it has equal value.
Pander Bear
Bluelight Crew
^^
stop mistaking the way you think people think for the way I know I feel about DXM. I've got a fairly wide hallucinogen vocabulary, and I place DXM on the bottom rung of the ladder becuase i simply Don't enjoy the effects.
I agree, one must do an obscene amount of dssociatives before you wear your brain out, but every morning after a robotrip, I feel like I've done something nasty to my brain.
[ 28 March 2002: Message edited by: atlas*lit_up ]
stop mistaking the way you think people think for the way I know I feel about DXM. I've got a fairly wide hallucinogen vocabulary, and I place DXM on the bottom rung of the ladder becuase i simply Don't enjoy the effects.
I agree, one must do an obscene amount of dssociatives before you wear your brain out, but every morning after a robotrip, I feel like I've done something nasty to my brain.
[ 28 March 2002: Message edited by: atlas*lit_up ]
Originally posted by Computer_collector:
id much rather take acid, but I dont know where to get any, and also Ill need someone to watch me while I trip to make sure I dont wander off or accidentally hurt myself. and what if we get caught doing acid? tripping on no sleep isnt illegal. I would never sell acid, I just want to take it for my own use, but the laws messed up
oh one more thing, isomics tell me they cant even sleep, so for them its easy to stay up several nights. maybe if I just take quick, short naps or read lots of books and not do exercise I wont tire too fast and be able to say up 5 nights?
[ 23 March 2002: Message edited by: Computer_collector ]
ohh what if? ohh what about? omg we might get caught. grow a set of balls pussy as the other poster said. if not then dont take acid, live ur pathetic life listening to what the "man" tells u is right or wrong
Originally posted by Computer_collector:
I read more about it, in order to get a real trip, since i weigh 140lbs, ill need about 650 grams of DXM which is half to a third of toxic dosage. taking 325 grams(a 4 ounce bottle) will give you a mild hallunication like seeing rainbow colors, trails, none of the melting, morphing stuff. also I heard it usually causes bad trips
See what you can learn from just a LITLE bit of research cc?
comp collector if u think u will have abad trip u will. i was afraid of having a bad trip and blah blah when i started. dont do it if ur not in a good mood. only do it if ur in the right mindset. dont worry though ur not going to run across the highway and try to kill urself.
RaverMadness
Bluelighter
Hey, unless someone's monitoring the contents of your urine for legal reasons, or you have some antiquated moral notions about ingesting mind-altering chemicals, keep chasing that illegal drug rainbow.
There's some pretty damn good quasi-legal ways to hallucinate - there's tons of DMT and 5-meo-DMT bearing plants available from wherever you might aquire such things, also San Pedro cactus, which is chock full of mescaline. AFAIK, they're not illegal unless your intent is to eat them - which it probably is, you deviant.
There's some pretty damn good quasi-legal ways to hallucinate - there's tons of DMT and 5-meo-DMT bearing plants available from wherever you might aquire such things, also San Pedro cactus, which is chock full of mescaline. AFAIK, they're not illegal unless your intent is to eat them - which it probably is, you deviant.