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The only legal way to hallunicate-sleep depriavation

/me stayed up for 4 & ½ days one time to investigate the effects of sleep-deprivation
it got pretty nutty by the end -- i was seeing people who weren't there, hearing voices, and little squiggly insect-like images all over the place. but it wasn't worth the SUFFERING! when you stay up that long, your skin burns, your eyes itch, you can't eat, it's JUST not fun.
also, believe it or not, sleep-deprivation causes more brain damage than most drugs.
interesting experience, but i'll stick with tha robo ;)
disciple
[ 23 March 2002: Message edited by: MDMA desciple ]
 
You're quite confused about DXM. It affects everyone very differently and you can't pass judgment about it from the bs you've read on the internet. As for MadHatter, he's got problems. Who could get so raging-pissed just from reading a messageboard?
 
PuristLove, my apologies for choice of words. that was my first post at this time. Ill just ignore whoever flames me
MDMA desciple, thanks for your words. ill skip the sleep deprivation thing then
Ayrios, true about DXM, but then its not like an acid trip, right? I cant speak from experence, but maybe you guys can tell me your stories on dxm vs. acid. ill just ignore madhatter. hes got issues :(
 
PuristLove, my apologies for choice of words. that was my first post at this time. Ill just ignore whoever flames me
MDMA desciple, thanks for your words. ill skip the sleep deprivation thing then
Ayrios, true about DXM, but then its not like an acid trip, right? I cant speak from experence, but maybe you guys can tell me your stories on dxm vs. acid. ill just ignore madhatter. hes got issues :(
 
Not like acid. It's got more variance in effects then anything I know of. On 700mg I get fanatical, crazy, can still move a bit, lots of open-eye hallucinations, etc. On 350mg I sound like a hippy and look like an alien to the rest of the world. Everything feels local and close, like I could drive across the country in an hour or cross town by walking down the block. Neither of these doses would I dare to tempt in public. Someone I know, on the other hand, who weighs less than me took 750mg during school once and functioned normally the whole day. You just have to try for yourself. From what I can tell I'm one of the few people who doesn't follow the plateau trend, it's just a lot different for everyone.
 
Computer Collector said:
if you take enough to hallunicate, in about 8 hours your liver will fail and u die soon
Then he said:
no im not anti-drug, im open minded
I find that quite funny.
As for the other shit he said:
I read a huge list of 89 of the DXM CONTAINING PRODUCTS (OVER-THE-COUNTER) and most contain other active ingrediants besides DXM that can kill you in small dosages, like taking enough of(see below) to get 200mg of DMX will give u a deadly dosage of maleate and probably ace.
Yer right...that's why DXM tripping is all about choosing the right brand, the right bottle, with the right shit in it. There IS alot of stuff that's bad for you in other brands, but people don't trip off these brands. And if they do they get really sick and hurt themselves. There are brands that do not have the bad stuff in them, and just DXM, this is what people trip off of.
You also said...lol...that most of these DXM brands contain things that can kill you in small doses. Lol listen to what you're saying. How could a mass marketed product consumed by many many many people in small doses have something that will kill you in small doses?
 
First of all I think it is hella funny that a sleep deprivation post somehow turned into a dxm post.
Computer collector - if you are worried about the effects that cough syrup will have why not just get some DXM powder. It seems like you are adept at searching, retrieving info, and posting it here. I am sure you would be able to find it.
IMHO DXM should not be used simply for the "hallucinogenic" properites. It can be very confusing to the first time user, especially if your first dose is a higher plateau dose. Yes, you can read up about it until your brain hurts, but everyone I have introduced it to has been surprised at the effects even though I told them almost everything that I know about the drug.
 
GETTING BACK ON TOPIC:
I am a tweaker... a born n' bread tweaker. I used to spend days without sleep, never leaving my apartment, hardly eating and smoking tons of pot. By the end of day 4 with no sleep and half a gram of meth up my nose I was living with some massive psychosis. I'd see people standing outside my window, I'd hear EVERYTHING that went on around me, a knock on my front door would send me running for the nearest closet to hide in, knife in hand (just in case). Like SovietContin said, it returned me to a primal state. I turned into a literal caveman. Going out into the public during these times was a blast. I'd go to Walmart at 7:30 on a sunday morning and wander around the store, acting normal yet still scaring the shit out of the normal members of society out doing their shopping. This usualy ended with a security guard asking me to leave.
But, if you are looking for LEGAL psychedelics, then the ONLY choice is the goddess Salvia. Salvia is the most potent natural psychedelic known to man. When done preoperly it will send you to a far off place that will either open your eyes or put the fear of god into your soul, and the whole experience will last about 15 minutes.
Adios,
Steve
 
"I've been told, there's a river lined with gold," he said. "It is guarded by giant trees that turn into dragons at night. Pink dolphins swim in its waters and some have called it La Dorada.
Many have gone mad searching for her in the vast Amazon jungle and she never has been found but there is a dusty book I found in a Swiss library that mentions a mushroom named 'Little Buddy' that grows in a dreamy Mexican valley surrounded by purple and orange peaks. If you eat twelve of those mushrooms, you will see little green men running at the edge of your eyes, and if you can follow their flight, they will lead you to a river lined with gold. Pink dolphins swim in its waters and it is guarded by giant trees who turn into dragons at night."
-Ennio
 
HAHAHA yeah when I can't get syd or shrooms and when I am bored I go through sleep deprivation! its soo much fun cause I get so dilirus(SP) but I halluncinate on a regular basis so i can't really tell if its the the whole sleep thingy or just me! haha! but dude! take some acid your not gonna get caught on your first time of dealing unless your a complete dumbass!!!!! read up on it first though! like anyone should do on any drug before trying it!
 
Sleep deprivation sucks.
At Dreamhack '98 I stayed up from thursday morning until late saturday evening, at that point I had little contact with reality, when I got up to go buy some food I ended up getting lost and started to believe that aliens had taken over the party, when I finally made it back to my computer I decided to just go to sleep, woke up sunday morning and realized that I had been acting pretty strange the night before...
/Mikael
 
Originally posted by Computer_collector:
I read all about DXM:
[qb]Secondly, doing DXM is either disgusting or a time-consuming process for most people. Cough syrup tastes bad, and is unpleasant to drink; even the gelcaps become unpleasant to take after a few times due to their rather large size. DXM can of course be extracted, but it is a time-consuming process that requires enough effort to discourage those only casually interested.

If you like DXM enough you won't mind the taste of the cough syrup. But if you like DXM even more than those people you'll get pure powder and use gelcaps. And gelcaps aren't that big at all really. I've never heard of that bothering anyone.
Third, DXM is to a certain extent "anti-addictive", at least when used occasionally. Because DXM blocks NMDA receptors (see Section 9 and Section 10.3), it prevents associating any pleasant effects of the drug with the taking of the drug. Instead, the memories of taking the drug are associated with sensations before the DXM kicks in, e.g., nausea.
"prevents associating any pleasant effects of the drug with the taking of the drug" <- I think the fact of the Tussin Crew's existence makes this false.
Fourth, DXM trips can be extremely confusing, especially if the user doesn't have experience with psychedelics. The DXM trip is so unlike an LSD or mushroom trip that people who take it expecting the latter are often discouraged and do not repeat the experience.
Confused doesn't necessarily mean it's bad. Just don't try to do your homework while robotripping :) And yes, DXM is very different from any other psychedelic drugs I've ever taken. Doesn't mean it's not a good experience (at least in my opinion).
[ 25 March 2002: Message edited by: ikarus ]
 
Originally posted by -spiderman-:
"if you take enough to hallunicate, in about 8 hours your liver will fail and u die soon"
"no im not anti-drug, im open minded"
yes I said that. that was before I knew that there are a few brands that contain just DXM. i was talking about brands containing acetaminophen and just quoting what I read before I read about safe brands. theres a difference between an uninformed reader and a basher. I admit I dont know everything but im learning. sorry if you took it the wrong way.
"You also said...lol...that most of these DXM brands contain things that can kill you in small doses. Lol listen to what you're saying. How could a mass marketed product consumed by many many many people in small doses have something that will kill you in small doses?"
alergies, impurities, cross reactions, etc. also a small dosage could vary, maybe be a tablespoon instead of a teaspoon. I heard that senestive people can OD on just 6 aspirin pills!
 
thanks for your info. I will read more about DXM and compare its differences. Ill of course start off on the first plateu and take 50% more each time till I get a good trip, but I wont overdo the dosage. If after, like 500mg I dont trip, then DXM may not be effecting me much. I could get DXM in a large store, so this may be my chance as soon as I read more about it first. I dont have any close friends, which sucks. is it safe to take alone in smaller dosages?
 
dude, if you dont have any close friends, you better wait on the drugs. Especially a first trip, you need support and you sound like you are about to get in way over your head. Spend less time on the internet and go outside and meet some people.
 
This shit just isn't black and white like that. I'm on DXM right now and I can tell you you can't just plan what's gunna happen like this. It's much more practical to start with 350mg dxm and then next time 700mg dxm. Otherwise it's a pain in the ass to work up and not worth it. Just don't expect anything cause whatever you expect will be as far from what it really is as possible (I dunno if that sentence made sense but you get the idea :) )
 
Look, DXM is not a good "First drug experience". Here is what i would advise you to do especially if you're doing this alone.
Hallucinogens are not for beginners, and from what i have seen in your posts you seem like a very sheltered and neurotic person. This says to me "Halucinating and psychadelic drugs are NOT FOR YOU!".
Start small, then move up, like this:
1.Drink.
If you haven't been drunk, then you're not ready to hallucinate. Drinking is a purely tactile drug, although it affects your judgement a little.
2. Smoke weed.
You can probably find some shit weed somewhere, find it and smoke it, smoke a LOT of it before you even consider doing real drugs that may actually have some consequences.
You seem like you'd be good at following instructions, so when you start smoking weed, why not start growing a batch of mushrooms as well? You can order the spores yourself and grow them in your fucking closet from what i understand.
3. Once your shrooms are ripe, eat em.
This will be your first hallucinatory experience, congratulations. Try to have a friend around if you can, things might get strange.
General drug tips for you:
1. Drug dealers are always shady, you buy the ticket, you take the ride.
2. Have friends. Friends help you when you need help and are incapable of doing certain important things (like operating heavy machinery and taking you to the hospital in an emergency).
3. Have some pot around. A lot of times I have found pot will calm me down when i think I'm going crazy.
4. AVOID THE MIRROR. Yes, that's right, avoid your bathroom mirror and anything you can see your face in. You'll understand the first time you fail to heed my advice and look in the mirror whilst on mushrooms.
Look, just be fucking careful. DXM is nothing to fuck with, I have had a near death experience on DXM, and it is a very SERIOUS drug (of which you can consume a lot more than you think you can).
Good luck, and stop being so gullible,
Underpants
 
I think bluelight has enough jaded, cynical, close minded fucks as it is, I don't see why everyone is so eager to turn this kid into another one....
If you want to learn about DXM, experiment with it however you see fit. If you think the potential for possible future harm outweighs any possible benefit, forget about it and go do something safer.
This is a pattern I have seen in people over and over again: Whatever the person's first few drug experiences are, those will ground them in a sort of Frame of Reference that they tend to stick to as they move on and try other drugs. People who start off smoking weed, cigarettes, drinking, etc. (most people) are generally scared of high dose pyschedelics and find many of the effects unpleasant simply due to the intense fear that can be produced. They have bad trips because they believe in the concept of a 'bad trip'. Most people I know who use drugs fall into this category.
Then there are people who get into drugs more out of curiosity and wanting to experiment with the drug for its own sake. They deviate from their natural course greatly and seek out drugs that normally they would never come across. They do this simply because they find the idea of the altered consciousness incredibly intriguing and mystifying, and don't really care about social views or money or things outside of the actual experience.... These people, prior to doing drugs, find psychedelics the most interesting and tend to seek them out primarily. When they finally begin to use psychedelics, even at high doses, they experience little if any fear at all, because they do not view the experiences as being inherently fearful or unpleasant. Social impact connected to drugs is minimal, hence they have not done common drugs like alcohol and marijuana previously. They just at one point in their life became fascinated by the concept of the new and alien experiences they saw drugs as capable of producing.
These people can do large amounts of psychedelics safely precisely because of their ignorance. They rarely encounter harm as they are cautious and logical with the details, but once they start tripping, they do not worry about being scared or doing something dangerous. They just enjoy the mystery, the new experience, new life...
The more people are exposed to drugs, the more they try to learn about them in ways other than doing the drug, the more biased they become, the more subjective their interperetation of drugs becomes. The more they percieve themselves as knowledgable, the less they actually know. They go from liking psychedelics, to starting to fear them, to moving on to drugs that produce pleasure, stimulants and speed, to fearing and disliking the negative effects of those drugs too, to opioids, the seemingly most pleasurable and initially harmless drug class, to abandoning drugs alltogether...
THAT is why we have a prohibitionist society, because older members are jaded and experienced with drugs, and that experience gets passed down in words and social customs instead of actually being renewed. They go from seeing all drugs as inherently neutral to seeing a few drugs as inherently bad and a few as good. Why is it that the most "hardcore" drug users, who have used over time, move towards opiates? Heroin? Subjectively, a drugs effects don't get more pussy than opiates...Warm, happy, seductive, mamma-will-make-it-all-better feeling somehow encased in a hardcore, tough, badass exterior.... No longer do they want the wild, intense unknown of LSD or DXM, they want the predictable, soft, gentle, guaranteed-happy hug of opiates. They see unknown experiences as "potentially dangerous, must avoid", and they don't want others to have these experiences either, they to just say "No no NO you don't know what you're dealing with, you're in way over your head, take my word for it kid, that shit is dangerous, it is not a toy, don't mess with it! If you get burned by it, it might come back to burn me somehow..." The government preaches that, and so do most elder members of bluelight, albeit without noticing. They have good intentions, they are just blinded by past experience, refusing to comprehend something new, refusing to ignore and forget what they think they already know for sure... They want to restrict the freedoms of others, because THEY know better, THEY don't want these weak naive kids trying to find things out for themselves, but hate it when other people just tell them to thoughtlessly accept something.
So computer collector or whatever your name is, ignore these people, find things out for yourself...Fuck, ignore me, go have your own experiences. Read erowid a bit, learn only enough to be safe on the most basic levels, and beyond that let your intelligence guide you. Don't take anything a DARE officer tells you as the truth, or a BlueLight Online Drug Forum Moderator either, they're equally laughable at the end of the day...They aren't wrong, or dumb, or any better or worse than anyone else, but they're at a different point of the cycle, looking at themselves, not you...
Fuck it all. I'd say skim the erowid DXM FAQ and throw back a 4oz of Robo Max, but really what you want to do is all that matters - ignore all these people feigning superiority, (me included), the joke's on them!
 
People who start off smoking weed, cigarettes, drinking, etc. (most people) are generally scared of high dose pyschedelics and find many of the effects unpleasant simply due to the intense fear that can be produced. They have bad trips because they believe in the concept of a 'bad trip'. Most people I know who use drugs fall into this category.
I gotta agree with that statement 100%
 
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