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The Old and Overgrown 2C-E Thread
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^^^ Well, it comes down to personal taste.
Personally, yes, I do prefer 2C-E to 2C-B. While 2C-B is nice, I prefer the longer-lasting trips. 4 Hours into a 2C-B trip and it's finishing up just as I'm about to get started. 4 hours into a 2C-E trip and I know there's still loads of journeying to be had.
2C-E to me is more of a complete psychedelic with great depth.
But again, it depends what you're looking for in a trip, and what mood you're in at the time.
Fungus,
This rhythm thing on 2C-E is fascinating. I also think it's related to the visual wallpaper thing, in an audio way.
Also, the whole 2C-E experience tends to come in waves. Sometimes I will be tripping off my box and then a minute later, I'm nearly lucid. A minute later I'm tripping again!
Personally, yes, I do prefer 2C-E to 2C-B. While 2C-B is nice, I prefer the longer-lasting trips. 4 Hours into a 2C-B trip and it's finishing up just as I'm about to get started. 4 hours into a 2C-E trip and I know there's still loads of journeying to be had.
2C-E to me is more of a complete psychedelic with great depth.
But again, it depends what you're looking for in a trip, and what mood you're in at the time.
Fungus,
This rhythm thing on 2C-E is fascinating. I also think it's related to the visual wallpaper thing, in an audio way.
Also, the whole 2C-E experience tends to come in waves. Sometimes I will be tripping off my box and then a minute later, I'm nearly lucid. A minute later I'm tripping again!
Morninggloryseed
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2C-E > 2C-B
2C-E passes 2C-B right on by, and leaves it in the dust. But I think it all depends on what you are looking for in a psychedelic.
To me, 2C-B feels great and is a lot of fun. But it is totally lacking in depth and meaning when compared to 2C-E. Even at dosages above 30mg, I do not find 2C-B all that challenging. At just 16mg however, 2C-E had depth that compared easily (for me) with LSD.
It has been a year and a half, since my last 2C-E trip and I am still reaping rewards from it, and still in awe of what happened. My last 2C-B trip (which was in August) was great, lots of fun, but still largely forgettable (as most of my 2C-B trips have been.)
The thing 2C-B has going for it, is how easy it is to take. Nice, short trip with great visuals and a wonderful body-high. 2C-E may have a few more body-kinks, and may not be quite as jolly as 2C-B...but I sure take home much more in the long run from it.
2C-B is a great all-purpose psychedelic, and I'd be comfortable using it a few times a year for a number of reasons. 2C-E is something I only need once in a good, long while. And 2C-E is something I could only take in the most pristine, gentle settings. So much happens with that one, you really have to be careful about where, when, and with who.
2C-E passes 2C-B right on by, and leaves it in the dust. But I think it all depends on what you are looking for in a psychedelic.
To me, 2C-B feels great and is a lot of fun. But it is totally lacking in depth and meaning when compared to 2C-E. Even at dosages above 30mg, I do not find 2C-B all that challenging. At just 16mg however, 2C-E had depth that compared easily (for me) with LSD.
It has been a year and a half, since my last 2C-E trip and I am still reaping rewards from it, and still in awe of what happened. My last 2C-B trip (which was in August) was great, lots of fun, but still largely forgettable (as most of my 2C-B trips have been.)
The thing 2C-B has going for it, is how easy it is to take. Nice, short trip with great visuals and a wonderful body-high. 2C-E may have a few more body-kinks, and may not be quite as jolly as 2C-B...but I sure take home much more in the long run from it.
2C-B is a great all-purpose psychedelic, and I'd be comfortable using it a few times a year for a number of reasons. 2C-E is something I only need once in a good, long while. And 2C-E is something I could only take in the most pristine, gentle settings. So much happens with that one, you really have to be careful about where, when, and with who.
I haven't tried this one yet, and now it looks like I might not be able to because of the RC vendor bust and all, but hopefully i'll obtain some somehow anyways.... is it something that you'd consider doing at a concert? like i know it's a strong psychedelic, but so is LSD and i've used LSD at many a show... perhaps that's why my LSD experiences are so much more memorable than any others, because it just works out so perfectly for live music... the only 2C i have experience with is T2 and it worked out beautifully at a festival this past summer.
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At 16mgs, 2C-E blew LSD away as far as visuals/visions are concerned. I also can say it has LSD beat in the fact that it has powerful depth without causing you to feel intensely confused. ..Overwhelmed, but not confused. I can without a doubt say that I like 2C-E better than LSD, but I don't think I could enjoy it at a concert.
fungus44
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I can't imagine it in a social space with non-trippers/allies/friends.
Yeah, I think you're right. I've sampled DiPT a couple of times, and beyond the big bass shift, I noticed a "fractalization" of sound -- organized sound aka music, in a way that I would visualize as a very baroque rough spiral, like a branch of a tree or a spikey seashell. W
I've gone up on Serzone and Wellbutrin, and found ambient sounds being very sinister, a sense of a person, intruder, strange animal in the house. Kinda like the Polanski movie, Repulsion -- very spooky.
2Ce seemed to make ambient noise sound meaningful or rhythmic in a formal abstract way.
Does anyone know much about the primitive or prehistory of music? I'm a musical dunderhead re: its form, and know a little about early visual art -- Lascaux, arts of "prehistorical" people, art of children and insane. I'm not aware of the same attention payed to music. I'm curious about the fundamentals of applying meaning and sense to sound. I heard a group of 3 year olds spontaneously jammming a few weeks ago on xylophone, recorders, and triangle. Pretty perfect.
Yeah, I think you're right. I've sampled DiPT a couple of times, and beyond the big bass shift, I noticed a "fractalization" of sound -- organized sound aka music, in a way that I would visualize as a very baroque rough spiral, like a branch of a tree or a spikey seashell. W
I've gone up on Serzone and Wellbutrin, and found ambient sounds being very sinister, a sense of a person, intruder, strange animal in the house. Kinda like the Polanski movie, Repulsion -- very spooky.
2Ce seemed to make ambient noise sound meaningful or rhythmic in a formal abstract way.
Does anyone know much about the primitive or prehistory of music? I'm a musical dunderhead re: its form, and know a little about early visual art -- Lascaux, arts of "prehistorical" people, art of children and insane. I'm not aware of the same attention payed to music. I'm curious about the fundamentals of applying meaning and sense to sound. I heard a group of 3 year olds spontaneously jammming a few weeks ago on xylophone, recorders, and triangle. Pretty perfect.
I took 2CE once because I could not get any 2CC which is what I really wanted to try. I am inexperienced with psychedelic drugs so taking it alone was probably not a very smart thing to do. I snorted about 10 or 12 mg and vomited within about 30 minutes.
I saw some patterns on the carpet and decided to look at some images on my computer. I took a look at some porn pics and the people in the pics started to move. The guy was gripping the womans hips and pushing into her. Their skin would go from being really smooth to really vieny or wrinkley. They would pulsate as well.
I went for a walk and saw a bit of waving on the sidewalk. I went into a liquor store and picked up a can of beer. I was walking down the street drinking it and almost got sick. My heart was racing as well. I saw some girls walking and the way they walked was amazing. It was as if they were perfect. I wandered into an adult video/toy store. All of the videos on the wall had pictures on the covers and all of the pictures were moving. The adult toys were pulsing and breathing. Objects like bottles were breathing as well. I had some really weird closed eye visuals with Hindu themes, sex themes, Hindu Sex themes, stars, other assorted stuff. Wow, it was strange and fun. It lasted about 3 hours and I came down fast. I guess I was horney when I took the stuff. I did not speak to anyone but I think it would have been difficult.
I got some 2CC later and did 40MG. It also made pictures move. I was in a bar with lots of oil paintings and they were all swirling and dancing around. I had lots of conversations with people whose faces were getting wrinkley, smooth, veiny and yet none of them seemed to know I was on anything. In fact, I was a great conversationalist on 2CC. I looked at a printed flier and the band logo on it was swirling around as if it was a hologram. Colors were incredible and things seems sparkley. I hugged some girls and they were incredibly warm and cushy. A band played and I thought they were amazing. I bought more 2CC and am looking forward to doing it again. It was an easy trip and I was aware of what was going on around me, was not confused or anything like that. I think I might do some MDMA with it next time.
I saw some patterns on the carpet and decided to look at some images on my computer. I took a look at some porn pics and the people in the pics started to move. The guy was gripping the womans hips and pushing into her. Their skin would go from being really smooth to really vieny or wrinkley. They would pulsate as well.
I went for a walk and saw a bit of waving on the sidewalk. I went into a liquor store and picked up a can of beer. I was walking down the street drinking it and almost got sick. My heart was racing as well. I saw some girls walking and the way they walked was amazing. It was as if they were perfect. I wandered into an adult video/toy store. All of the videos on the wall had pictures on the covers and all of the pictures were moving. The adult toys were pulsing and breathing. Objects like bottles were breathing as well. I had some really weird closed eye visuals with Hindu themes, sex themes, Hindu Sex themes, stars, other assorted stuff. Wow, it was strange and fun. It lasted about 3 hours and I came down fast. I guess I was horney when I took the stuff. I did not speak to anyone but I think it would have been difficult.
I got some 2CC later and did 40MG. It also made pictures move. I was in a bar with lots of oil paintings and they were all swirling and dancing around. I had lots of conversations with people whose faces were getting wrinkley, smooth, veiny and yet none of them seemed to know I was on anything. In fact, I was a great conversationalist on 2CC. I looked at a printed flier and the band logo on it was swirling around as if it was a hologram. Colors were incredible and things seems sparkley. I hugged some girls and they were incredibly warm and cushy. A band played and I thought they were amazing. I bought more 2CC and am looking forward to doing it again. It was an easy trip and I was aware of what was going on around me, was not confused or anything like that. I think I might do some MDMA with it next time.
MagickalKat777
Bluelight Crew
Grrr... *breathes*
*breathes more*
I'm going to put this as politely as possible... people like you should not do drugs.
Tell me what in the HELL made you want to insufflate a research chemical that you've got NO experience with, go out in public on it, AND drink on it!?!?
Its people like you that take the good ones away. Its people like you, the DEA feel they have to save.
*breathes more*
I'm going to put this as politely as possible... people like you should not do drugs.
Tell me what in the HELL made you want to insufflate a research chemical that you've got NO experience with, go out in public on it, AND drink on it!?!?
Its people like you that take the good ones away. Its people like you, the DEA feel they have to save.
MagickalKat777
Bluelight Crew
And - mixing 2C-C with MDMA brought about mixed results. I liked it a lot on the comedown, totally could make an already great night out into a full-blown psychedelic rattling. But everyone that I know who has tried it, especially at the peak of an MDMA experience, has had some nasty negatives. One of my least favorite effects was the feeling of going uncomfortably numb. Like your whole body fell asleep. It lasts for quite awhile and is not what I would consider pleasant.
It is definitely dose related though, I wouldn't take any more than 15mg your first time combining it with anything, its one of those chemicals that just may, and probably will, kick you in the teeth if you push it too far. I've gotten bitten by this one the way that only tryptamines had done it previously. Granted its not a regular occurence but it does happen. Also, using this combination, the pulse does stay elevated long after both drugs and their effects should have left the body. I'd say give about 10 hours for the whole experience to be overwith. Please dear god be careful... the bottom line is that while I acknowledge what you did was irresponsible, you're obviously here for a reason... to learn. I don't want another reason for the DEA to release the chopping blocks... if one goes down, I have a feeling they'll take them all down this time... who's going to stop them?
It is definitely dose related though, I wouldn't take any more than 15mg your first time combining it with anything, its one of those chemicals that just may, and probably will, kick you in the teeth if you push it too far. I've gotten bitten by this one the way that only tryptamines had done it previously. Granted its not a regular occurence but it does happen. Also, using this combination, the pulse does stay elevated long after both drugs and their effects should have left the body. I'd say give about 10 hours for the whole experience to be overwith. Please dear god be careful... the bottom line is that while I acknowledge what you did was irresponsible, you're obviously here for a reason... to learn. I don't want another reason for the DEA to release the chopping blocks... if one goes down, I have a feeling they'll take them all down this time... who's going to stop them?
Thanks for the advice. I am a bit of a natural loner so doing things alone is not unusual for me. I also have a strong tolerance for just about any drug (including alcohol) except for weed (which f$#ks me up).
Also I live in a country where 2CC and 2CE are both currently legal to buy and posses.
In my case, I am very comfortable being alone (even when on drugs), I took a moderate amount for my tolerance level and did it in a way that many people on this and other forums have written their experiences about, although I drank while on the drug I have had a drink almost everyday for the last 20 years so it is nothing out of the ordinary for me, walking on the street is a controlled environment for me as I spend most of my free time out doors and am far more comfortable outside than inside.
But, enough of making excuses for myself. I think that any one who wants to use research chemicals should make sure to have good friends around, take small amounts to start with, stay away from booze and make sure you are in a controlled environment.
As for your comment that I should not do drugs, why not? I was walking around in public, in control of myself, not bad tripping or freaking out, able to deal with everything. I had a great time, learned from the experience. Taking drugs is very risky business. Anyone who claims they know how to reduce the risk is just guessing. Telling people not to trip alone, not to drink while tripping and such, is good advice, but that is all that it is. Many people who have followed all of that advice have had horrible train wreak experiences. People are at the greatest risk when they put confidence in the wrong things.
Feel free to rip this post apart. I am no authority and am just sharing my experiences and thoughts.
Also I live in a country where 2CC and 2CE are both currently legal to buy and posses.
In my case, I am very comfortable being alone (even when on drugs), I took a moderate amount for my tolerance level and did it in a way that many people on this and other forums have written their experiences about, although I drank while on the drug I have had a drink almost everyday for the last 20 years so it is nothing out of the ordinary for me, walking on the street is a controlled environment for me as I spend most of my free time out doors and am far more comfortable outside than inside.
But, enough of making excuses for myself. I think that any one who wants to use research chemicals should make sure to have good friends around, take small amounts to start with, stay away from booze and make sure you are in a controlled environment.
As for your comment that I should not do drugs, why not? I was walking around in public, in control of myself, not bad tripping or freaking out, able to deal with everything. I had a great time, learned from the experience. Taking drugs is very risky business. Anyone who claims they know how to reduce the risk is just guessing. Telling people not to trip alone, not to drink while tripping and such, is good advice, but that is all that it is. Many people who have followed all of that advice have had horrible train wreak experiences. People are at the greatest risk when they put confidence in the wrong things.
Feel free to rip this post apart. I am no authority and am just sharing my experiences and thoughts.
lysergication
Bluelighter
2C-E two days in a row
Hi folks,
I've scanned the B&D megathread on the subject without find an answer...Only somebody who have take two dose in the same day.
Yesterday i've conducted an experience with 8mg of 2C-E, light but nice effects were achieved.
I was wondering if I take a 16mg dose tonight would it be a waste or not ?
Are you aware of quick building tolerance about 2C-E, like the psylocybin can do ?
Hi folks,
I've scanned the B&D megathread on the subject without find an answer...Only somebody who have take two dose in the same day.
Yesterday i've conducted an experience with 8mg of 2C-E, light but nice effects were achieved.
I was wondering if I take a 16mg dose tonight would it be a waste or not ?
Are you aware of quick building tolerance about 2C-E, like the psylocybin can do ?
Jaw Clenching
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I'd suggest waiting a week or two for your next trial with this compound.
Short term tolerance is an issue, how much of an issue it is - I can't really say.
When Shulgin was testing out new things, he'd start with really low doses. If it wasn't enough, he'd wait a while before trying it again. I don't see why you shouldn't do the same.
Short term tolerance is an issue, how much of an issue it is - I can't really say.
When Shulgin was testing out new things, he'd start with really low doses. If it wasn't enough, he'd wait a while before trying it again. I don't see why you shouldn't do the same.
justlearning
Bluelighter
Waiting a week is good advice concerning 2C-E!
New-Be's
There is a reverce tolerance with 2C-E i notice; 2C-E seems to get a little more visual and strong, the more you use it; til you reach your tenth dose or so!
Also for every 2mg over ie 12mg to 14mg etc... 2C-E feels twice as potent!
2C-E is a very good learning tool! Go slow and low with this one! In other words don't jump into the deep end of the pool your first time out new-be's
New-Be's
There is a reverce tolerance with 2C-E i notice; 2C-E seems to get a little more visual and strong, the more you use it; til you reach your tenth dose or so!
Also for every 2mg over ie 12mg to 14mg etc... 2C-E feels twice as potent!
2C-E is a very good learning tool! Go slow and low with this one! In other words don't jump into the deep end of the pool your first time out new-be's
lysergication
Bluelighter
the reverse tolerance is pretty interesting in my case... Actually, i'm worried if the experience can be less intense if the 2C-E is used two day in a row.
lysergication
Bluelighter
ok, ok thanks
i'll say you tomorrow what happened tonight about it
i'll say you tomorrow what happened tonight about it
gloggawogga
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Merged this in to the B&D thread.
shulginist
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Cat Again said:
I have had a very real and very significant tolerance with 2C-I.