kinetic
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phenethylamine00 said:
are you for real? hahahahaha! I'm beginning to think that there's an inverse correlation between dosage levels and intelligence levels. the higher you go, the dumber you are.
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The Old and Overgrown 2C-E Thread
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are you for real? hahahahaha! I'm beginning to think that there's an inverse correlation between dosage levels and intelligence levels. the higher you go, the dumber you are.
Why do people insist on giving all these new phenethylamines slang nicknames?
There are so many different new and unfamiliar chems and so many different potential nicknames for each chem that if people use nicknames rather than the nice accurate chemical names it produces a total chaos where no one can be sure what they are taking at any given time!
I think it is stupid, dangerous, and unnecessary.
There are so many different new and unfamiliar chems and so many different potential nicknames for each chem that if people use nicknames rather than the nice accurate chemical names it produces a total chaos where no one can be sure what they are taking at any given time!
I think it is stupid, dangerous, and unnecessary.
kinetic
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exactly
lectrocoustic
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strange absence this time around
Like a completely different drug this time around. Last summer, 13 mgs. put me into a solid +3 territory, flirted with transcendent numerals, got caught on a big upswooping theory loop, and had full-on hallucinations--body being split open from inside by a tiny cartoonish gorilla-me--sounds unpleasant but it was hilarious and "liberating" at the time.
Last night dosed, from the same fluffy batch (well-stored) with 16mgs and got nowhere beyond a managable and somewhat lacking +2/+3. The body load wasn't even really there this time. Last summer I got huge mescaline-like rushes out of the stuff. This time I meditated for awhile and noticed these occasional, random adrenaline surges. But they never really developed into anything as deliciously deep as last year's experience. The visuals were light compared to recent 2c-i trips. Though a bit more hypnotic in character than the hot-wired breathing and color sweeps I usually get with the iodoform.
I was interupted--solo-trip--about five and a half hours in by my wife and soon to be cousin-in-law, who were supposed to be returning the following morning. Pretty funny scene. I was standing in the middle of the room surrounded by christmas lights and colored bulbs of assorted sizes, playing drony fuzzed-out tremelo guitar--open-tuning ethnoforgery bullshit--with my head thrown back, staring at the ceiling, rocking back and forth with the loud-as-shit reverby guitar wall trying to achieve an (umm) "ecstatic state." Suddenly someone opens the door and I hear my straightlaced cousin say "whats going on in here." Ha, ha. Busted being a weirdo in my living room. My wife figured the situation out pretty quickly.
After the "frame" of the experience was broken in this fashion, my trip basically disappeared. Ten minutes of contact with sober people seemed to almost fully bring me back to baseline. Just some mild stimualtion/occasional breif visual flourishes remaining for a few more hours.
Very short, in and out experience--which I've never had with any of the 2c's before. 3 hours of waiting and then the trip was over in two hours.
I dunno, I feel like the ole noggin is still recovering from a yohimbe overdose/tyramine-episode a few weeks back. Yikes, horrible three days that was. If you decide to eat large doses of yohimbe root--for what reason you would do this, I have no clue, certainly doesn't help me with the boring archival research as I hoped it would. If you do this, please take the maoi diet seriously. I basically had what felt like some sort of mini-seizure or something of the sort. Not fun.
Anyways, the strange adrenal-surge/jolt feelings the "kerf" (sorry, I couldn't resist) gave me this time around made me wonder if I did some sort of damage to my adrenal system with the above yohimbe experiment. Neural nets feel a bit shaky. Oh ye psychic neurologists of the internet--please perform an MRI or something on me as we speak and tell me if the wires be crossed. Ah, is probably just the normal day-after disequilabrium.
And, finally--all speculation on brain fryage aside--do you guys think these less-than-stellar effects could be related to tolerance from recent 2ci trips? It has been about two and a half weeks since the last one. I have about a year of sporadic use under my belt--monthy, bi-monthly with a few longer breaks for the past year and a half. What do you think? Didn't seem to be set and setting related--went into it cozy and eager.
Like a completely different drug this time around. Last summer, 13 mgs. put me into a solid +3 territory, flirted with transcendent numerals, got caught on a big upswooping theory loop, and had full-on hallucinations--body being split open from inside by a tiny cartoonish gorilla-me--sounds unpleasant but it was hilarious and "liberating" at the time.
Last night dosed, from the same fluffy batch (well-stored) with 16mgs and got nowhere beyond a managable and somewhat lacking +2/+3. The body load wasn't even really there this time. Last summer I got huge mescaline-like rushes out of the stuff. This time I meditated for awhile and noticed these occasional, random adrenaline surges. But they never really developed into anything as deliciously deep as last year's experience. The visuals were light compared to recent 2c-i trips. Though a bit more hypnotic in character than the hot-wired breathing and color sweeps I usually get with the iodoform.
I was interupted--solo-trip--about five and a half hours in by my wife and soon to be cousin-in-law, who were supposed to be returning the following morning. Pretty funny scene. I was standing in the middle of the room surrounded by christmas lights and colored bulbs of assorted sizes, playing drony fuzzed-out tremelo guitar--open-tuning ethnoforgery bullshit--with my head thrown back, staring at the ceiling, rocking back and forth with the loud-as-shit reverby guitar wall trying to achieve an (umm) "ecstatic state." Suddenly someone opens the door and I hear my straightlaced cousin say "whats going on in here." Ha, ha. Busted being a weirdo in my living room. My wife figured the situation out pretty quickly.
After the "frame" of the experience was broken in this fashion, my trip basically disappeared. Ten minutes of contact with sober people seemed to almost fully bring me back to baseline. Just some mild stimualtion/occasional breif visual flourishes remaining for a few more hours.
Very short, in and out experience--which I've never had with any of the 2c's before. 3 hours of waiting and then the trip was over in two hours.
I dunno, I feel like the ole noggin is still recovering from a yohimbe overdose/tyramine-episode a few weeks back. Yikes, horrible three days that was. If you decide to eat large doses of yohimbe root--for what reason you would do this, I have no clue, certainly doesn't help me with the boring archival research as I hoped it would. If you do this, please take the maoi diet seriously. I basically had what felt like some sort of mini-seizure or something of the sort. Not fun.
Anyways, the strange adrenal-surge/jolt feelings the "kerf" (sorry, I couldn't resist) gave me this time around made me wonder if I did some sort of damage to my adrenal system with the above yohimbe experiment. Neural nets feel a bit shaky. Oh ye psychic neurologists of the internet--please perform an MRI or something on me as we speak and tell me if the wires be crossed. Ah, is probably just the normal day-after disequilabrium.
And, finally--all speculation on brain fryage aside--do you guys think these less-than-stellar effects could be related to tolerance from recent 2ci trips? It has been about two and a half weeks since the last one. I have about a year of sporadic use under my belt--monthy, bi-monthly with a few longer breaks for the past year and a half. What do you think? Didn't seem to be set and setting related--went into it cozy and eager.
yet another superb experience with 2c-e to add. I tried 24mg with some moderate amount of cannabis (a bit of cookie and a couple of small tokes at t+2h). Results were extraordinary, it was about as strong as my 30mg trip that didn't have nearly any weed with it. Cannabis potentiates the trip considerably, but it also brings some dream like qualities to it. Every time I try it, there is some new and interesting properties in the trip. I will make a trip reports when I have enough time for it.
I think 2C-E is the most valuable experimental psychedelic I have worked with, although I have yet to try a 4-xxO-MIPT type substance.
When I first obtained the material, I knew nothing of BL and all I had to go by was PiHKAL and a few (count on one hand) reports on Erowid to go by. Most of these reports suggested that it was very deep, worth repeating, but "not really fun".
I first made up several doses of about 14.5 mg each, and handed them out to several friends who I felt were experienced and mindful with psychedelics. They were aware of the dangers of ingesting a research chemical, but they trusted my judgment on the dosage and my description of effects.
Everyone who took 14.5mg doses including myself and my partner reported very deep, intense and enjoyable trip. Curiously, everyone who took it "had a blast" and certainly felt that while it may have seemed to have a dark side, it was lots of fun.
Then there was my own room mate who did not do any research on the 2C-E, but did intuitively decide that 15mg was too much. He split his dose in half with another friend
and he said that it was a difficult experience for both of them. My room mate said it was about as intense but also had much stronger side-effects than 25mg of 2C-I.
After learning about his experience as well as reading a report on Erowid about someone experiencing strong dissociation on only 10mg, I decided to be a lot more careful about recommending any starting doses for would be users.
My other room mate at the time was also an avid tripper, but she has a strong tolerance to most psychedelics. She consumed 30mg on her first dose and reported that she was "mildly tripping" while her own tripping partner (a rather big guy who has taken extraordinarily large doses of many research chemicals at that) was having one of the hardest trips of his life on 15mg.
Then there is a good friend of mine, an artist who has always enjoyed employing psychedelics toward his creative endevours. I gifted him with 15mg of 2C-E and 10mg of 2C-D. I explained that the 2C-D was a possible "experimental smart drug" and the 2C-E was a powerful trip. I carefully labeled the bottles, and reminded him to consult his own copy of PiHKAL if he forgot anything I told him.
One day when he had a particularly busy day ahead of him, he decided to consume what he some how thought was the smart drug. Needless to say, it never occured to him, throughout the 15mg 2C-E trip that he was actually tripping his face off and was not on simply a smart-drug. He described the effects as being "amphetamine-like" and that he was amazed at the increase in creativity and motivation. Then he told me that a few nights later, he split the other sample with his wife and they barely felt anything and then went to bed. It quickly became clear to me what had happened and I explained.
He had spent the entire day answering the phone and email, speaking with many potentially important business contacts while on 2C-E. He also wrote a rather drawn out and critical essay on the subject of aesthetics. It was quite amusing to read.
Just last weekend, I suggested that he try 17mg. This time, he was completely nailed by the drug. He said it was intense enough to be challanging at times, and he had definite difficulties communicating with the rest of the group at times.
Anyway, I have learned that the dose response is highly variable from trip to trip even. Set, setting, and expectations may also play an especially significant role in the effect of the drug. This may be something that it has in common more with LSD as opposed to most other phenethylamines which seem less set and setting dependent.
My second and third trips were at 20mg, and recently, I have tried it at 18mg and 12.5mg. The 20mg trips were both incredibly intense and psychedelic. They were comparable to acid, but stronger visually and weaker mentall, I think.
The 18mg trip was almost a (++++), and I have noticed that I usually do feel very euphoric on 2C-E trips. The euphoria is especially strong right as I drop out of the peak. I usually feel a strong body euphoria along with an intense feeling that I am some how in harmony with the universe.
The 12.5mg trip was last weekend and was especially noteable. For one thing, it was still surprisingly strong at that dose. For another, I confronted something that I am normally immensely fearful of and felt completely unafraid.
When I first obtained the material, I knew nothing of BL and all I had to go by was PiHKAL and a few (count on one hand) reports on Erowid to go by. Most of these reports suggested that it was very deep, worth repeating, but "not really fun".
I first made up several doses of about 14.5 mg each, and handed them out to several friends who I felt were experienced and mindful with psychedelics. They were aware of the dangers of ingesting a research chemical, but they trusted my judgment on the dosage and my description of effects.
Everyone who took 14.5mg doses including myself and my partner reported very deep, intense and enjoyable trip. Curiously, everyone who took it "had a blast" and certainly felt that while it may have seemed to have a dark side, it was lots of fun.
Then there was my own room mate who did not do any research on the 2C-E, but did intuitively decide that 15mg was too much. He split his dose in half with another friend
and he said that it was a difficult experience for both of them. My room mate said it was about as intense but also had much stronger side-effects than 25mg of 2C-I.
After learning about his experience as well as reading a report on Erowid about someone experiencing strong dissociation on only 10mg, I decided to be a lot more careful about recommending any starting doses for would be users.
My other room mate at the time was also an avid tripper, but she has a strong tolerance to most psychedelics. She consumed 30mg on her first dose and reported that she was "mildly tripping" while her own tripping partner (a rather big guy who has taken extraordinarily large doses of many research chemicals at that) was having one of the hardest trips of his life on 15mg.
Then there is a good friend of mine, an artist who has always enjoyed employing psychedelics toward his creative endevours. I gifted him with 15mg of 2C-E and 10mg of 2C-D. I explained that the 2C-D was a possible "experimental smart drug" and the 2C-E was a powerful trip. I carefully labeled the bottles, and reminded him to consult his own copy of PiHKAL if he forgot anything I told him.
One day when he had a particularly busy day ahead of him, he decided to consume what he some how thought was the smart drug. Needless to say, it never occured to him, throughout the 15mg 2C-E trip that he was actually tripping his face off and was not on simply a smart-drug. He described the effects as being "amphetamine-like" and that he was amazed at the increase in creativity and motivation. Then he told me that a few nights later, he split the other sample with his wife and they barely felt anything and then went to bed. It quickly became clear to me what had happened and I explained.
He had spent the entire day answering the phone and email, speaking with many potentially important business contacts while on 2C-E. He also wrote a rather drawn out and critical essay on the subject of aesthetics. It was quite amusing to read.
Just last weekend, I suggested that he try 17mg. This time, he was completely nailed by the drug. He said it was intense enough to be challanging at times, and he had definite difficulties communicating with the rest of the group at times.
Anyway, I have learned that the dose response is highly variable from trip to trip even. Set, setting, and expectations may also play an especially significant role in the effect of the drug. This may be something that it has in common more with LSD as opposed to most other phenethylamines which seem less set and setting dependent.
My second and third trips were at 20mg, and recently, I have tried it at 18mg and 12.5mg. The 20mg trips were both incredibly intense and psychedelic. They were comparable to acid, but stronger visually and weaker mentall, I think.
The 18mg trip was almost a (++++), and I have noticed that I usually do feel very euphoric on 2C-E trips. The euphoria is especially strong right as I drop out of the peak. I usually feel a strong body euphoria along with an intense feeling that I am some how in harmony with the universe.
The 12.5mg trip was last weekend and was especially noteable. For one thing, it was still surprisingly strong at that dose. For another, I confronted something that I am normally immensely fearful of and felt completely unafraid.
x2stpsfrmnowhere
Bluelighter
Anyone try 2C-E and MDMA. I think this would be a good combo, as both have similar durations, and onset times. 2C-E doesn't really have a body buzz or empathy, but has awesome visuals. MDMA could add this to the exprience I think. Any info out there I've only come across one trip report with this combo, and it wasn't very helpful.
DB Cooper
Bluelighter
Similar onset times? Are you nuts? 2C-E Takes like two hours to start to kick in. For me atleast, and other people Ive talked to.
DB
DB
MagickalKat777
Bluelight Crew
x2stpsfrmnowhere said:
Basically... rolling without the euphoria, lots of visuals... not to mention being fucked out the ass for 14 hours.
I didn't really enjoy it. Tried it twice... it completely removes the amazing body high and empathy that I love so much in my MDMA.
The combination sounds interesting, and I bet it works better with low doses. Too bad I don't tend to get much out of MDMA. The feelings I remember from the two rolls that I had that were good have easily been surpassed in 2C-E alone trips as well as other experiences.
Right about T+4 or 5 hours or so with 2C-E and Cannabis, I consistently feel an incredible body euphoria combined with a feeling of perfection and harmony throughout the universe. I'm still so surprised that most people consider 2C-E to "not be euphoric" Yeah right. I thought 2C-I was euphoric until I tried 2C-E. The 2C-E euphoria some how feel more legitimate anyway.
Right about T+4 or 5 hours or so with 2C-E and Cannabis, I consistently feel an incredible body euphoria combined with a feeling of perfection and harmony throughout the universe. I'm still so surprised that most people consider 2C-E to "not be euphoric" Yeah right. I thought 2C-I was euphoric until I tried 2C-E. The 2C-E euphoria some how feel more legitimate anyway.
botaanik
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Same here... I get much euphoria on 2C-E alone. It is warm and comfort waves that pass your body. It seems to me, that 2c-e euphoria is warm and nice, but 2C-I otherhand wasn't euphoric at all. Must be body chemistry that plays role here.iom said:
Morninggloryseed
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I found 2C-E to be emotionally neutral. Euphoria (or lack of it) seems set and setting dependant. I've had 2C-E three times, at 16mg, 18mg, and 20mg. First time with 16mg, I didn't really experience much euphoria. Second time, at 18mg, I was at an old Indian trading post. I experienced much dysphoria. This was related to the place I was tripping (I read many Indians were killed there), and what was going on in my life at the time. A month later I tried 20mg of 2C-E and had the most powerful trip ever with an oral-consumed psychedelic. Very euphoric, as I witnessed Creation make the world. I was reborn.
So my experience seems to suggest 2C-E is more emotionally neutral, and euphoria (or the opposite) is much more related to content.
So my experience seems to suggest 2C-E is more emotionally neutral, and euphoria (or the opposite) is much more related to content.
VictorBorge
Bluelighter
^^ Same here. 2C-E is so calmly blissful (though not euphoric exactly) that the visuals almost always seem beside the point. Which is sometimes ironic if I've taken 2C-E specifically for the visuals, which I sometimes have. I usually get them, but by the time I do I'm way too occupied with other thoughts and feelings.
Good report, botaanik, you should post a proper report in TR if you haven't already.
Good report, botaanik, you should post a proper report in TR if you haven't already.
thejesuslizard
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I just had a pretty intense 2c-e trip last night, and it was probably the best trip I've had so far. (I'm relatively new to tripping.) I had a much greater degree of mental clarity on 2c-e than I've had on mushrooms or acid.
General Anesthetic
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My first time with 2C-E too, and my god the visuals..... %)
VictorBorge
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^^ Out of curiosity, what was your dose?
General Anesthetic
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16 milligrams, Victor.
i cannot overstate how significant this experience was. I was literally completely fucking gone, submerged beneath everything. All I could do was lay up curled on my bed shivering underneath my ratty wool blanket, because all I could see was this majestic and terrible world of ice and vast silent halls and i had no choice but to look because *i* wasn't there anymore- *i* was just another part of the scenery.
It is just indescribable.
i cannot overstate how significant this experience was. I was literally completely fucking gone, submerged beneath everything. All I could do was lay up curled on my bed shivering underneath my ratty wool blanket, because all I could see was this majestic and terrible world of ice and vast silent halls and i had no choice but to look because *i* wasn't there anymore- *i* was just another part of the scenery.
It is just indescribable.
VictorBorge
Bluelighter
Wow. I wish I was that sensitive to it. 16mg has never had me that far gone before. 25mg, maybe.
It can be a "cold" chemical, for sure. It doesn't hold your hand. You have to provide all the love yourself.
It can be a "cold" chemical, for sure. It doesn't hold your hand. You have to provide all the love yourself.