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Kratom The Kratom Megathread

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real142 said:
i have some white vein phuket ---green vein Indonesian--- some extract enhanced red Borneo ----maeng da red vein --- horned leaf maeng da and some--- thai plantain maeng da
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No I've never tried any of those.

Even though I don't know as much about Kratom as some people I'm not sure that those are "real" strains.

I'm not sure who originally decided what strains were real but it seems like a lot of people on here agree on which are authentic veins and which aren't.

That doesn't mean your Kratom isn't good but a lot of vendors just make up names whenever they want.

I think Maeng Da is usually a white vein, at least the one I tried so I don't know if there's such thing as Maeng Da red vein.

The only things I can tell you is that usually white veins are the most stimulating, green veins are in the middle, somewhat stimulating and also at times sedating, and red veins are the most sedating.
 
Well I just took a fifth 1/4 tsp, making it 1 1/4 tspns over the course of about 3 hours.

I feel very nice but so far this stuff just feels like a stronger version of a red vein to me.

When I say stronger though I just mean a smaller amount being equal to a larger effect, not it actually feeling over all stronger than plain leaf.

I've taken 1 1/4 tpns but feel about like I might after taking 3 tpsns or maybe 5 or 6 grams of bali maybe, not as much stimulation as I usually feel after taking green malay.

Also, people had said they felt extracts to feel less "clean" than plain leaf but I'm not sure that this feels much more dirty than plain leaf to me.
 
Peacephrog1972 said:
Extracts are a rip off....find a source of real good red vein Borneo....if you want PM me
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I'm already probably agreeing you in terms of money.

I've put a dent in this UEI tonight already and even though it's nice it's not THAT much better than plain leaf.

I expected it to be MUCH stronger.

Not saying I'm dissapointed, but it is too much money for such a small amount.
 
Yeah UEI is not worth it to me. It's powerful, probably ten times as powerful as plain leaf per weight if you get it from the right place. But the high is not as full as plain leaf, and it's not remotely cost effective. UEI is near identical to oxycodone in my experience. It does one thing well, and it's convenient because of the amount needed. But I prefer the fuller, more unique upper/downer effect of good plain leaf. It's like taking a synergistic combo of two drugs, except it's just one drug.

real142 said:
why red vein what properties or akloids does that have?
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Common knowledge says red veins are more sedating and opiate like, although I've found that's not always true. You're always taking someone's word on what strain you have, so it's really only consistent within a particular shop and not necessarily outside it. All plain leaf kratom has the same major alkaloids (7-OH-Mitragynine being the most likely culprit for major activity) and I think strain differences, much like weed, are due to higher or lower amounts of minor synergistic chemicals.
 
i take red vein maeng da which is very very sedating i like taking it with my tramadol ...one thing i noticed about kratom it can make u feel really hott higher doses does anyone elese get that way
 
Tonight I did Kratom for the first time and if its not too soon to say, it's my new favorite drug.... Anyways, my method of ingestion is what I used to do with powdered shrooms. I melt Hershey's milk chocolate (u can even add/use peanut butter or cookies) then I let the chocolate cool a bit so it's still a liquid but not hot, add the Kratom and mix. I used 4 Hershey's squares and 1 tablespoon of Kali maeng da. And it almost masked the taste completely.

I became giddy yet didn't feel f'd up. Although my friend said I looked fucked up... We're gonna split 3 tablespoons on Friday.

Also i thought of using my keurig to make tea one day.

My questions are am I doing anything to lose potency with the chocolate because I'm surprised no one mentions making kratom sweets (I've heard apple sauce). Also what's the advantages and disadvantages of making tea? Thanks.
 
My experience with Kratom is pretty limited as I only ever use it to keep the WDs out or as something to throw on top of my DOC. However, I have a really bad trip report from my last use of it.

I've only had 3 different brands of Kratom, all acquired from head shops(I know). The first is an extract; I've always had good experiences with this one. Actually strong opiate type of feel, relaxation and very little negative side effects. The second brand isn't bad, but nothing like the extract. It'll take away 95% of the withdrawal and give me a slight buzz but usually gives me a nasty headache. Now the third brand is the one that made me sick. It's actually local to my state according to their website and is on the cheaper side. I got their mix of all strains. I took 10 grams followed by another 5 grams half an hour later. Everything went well for the first 60 minutes or so, but then things started to get unpleasant. First I became very light headed/dizzy like never before in my life. About 10 minutes later my vision began to trail as I would move my head. Rapid heart beat accompanied by nausea, eye twitching and inability to walk without fear of falling followed shortly after. My overall state was awful, it was "pray for it to to end" bad. To add to the fun, I started having panic attacks as I'm prone to them. Not knowing what to do I barely wobbled over to the medicine cabinet and took some Benadryl and Phenobarbitol. Very slowly things started to get better. Altogether, it took about 2.5-3 hours to recover back to baseline. I am now afraid to take any Kratom at all.

Can anyone enlighten me as to why this happened? I've had my share of getting high gone wrong instances but this was just monstrous and I wouldn't wish it on anyone.
 
Just like booze, you can overdo it with kratom. You took a high dose. It's possible it has synthetics in it (head shop...) or that it was just a strong batch. Last night I took some white vein from a reliable vendor and it was about twice as strong as their other strains. My girlfriend, who has a reputation for being able to handle high doses of everything, said she was gonna take less next time. I have literally never heard such a thing from her. She could not stand. This was from a trustworthy vendor so I don't suspect it's got added chemicals or anything. Sometimes you just get a fresher batch, sometimes changing strains (especially away from extracts) results in stronger results, even set and setting play a role I think. Kratom is more complex than I think a lot of people here realize. It's not a one note experience like the opioid medications it's frequently compared to. It's more like weed, in my experience. Not psychedelic, but more... interesting than oxy or hydro or whatever.

I do get anxiety from kratom sometimes and I just take a benzo and/or lay down and relax. Works every time.
 
Does anyone else feel majorly tired the day after Kratom use.? I was so tired I took a long nap after work...although I didn't need my prescribed klonopin today for the first time in a year (I get panic attacks and anxiety but the krAtom afterglow made it go away,
 
Kratom has consistently given me a relaxed euphoria with a pleasant night's sleep, provided it's high quality stuff. I've had a couple of shitty batches that did nothing for me, but I've never experienced any stimulant effects. Peoples' experiences vary widely, but maybe the fact that I'm an opiate addict has something to do with my experiences with kratom very much resembling an opiate high.
 
BenzosBudOrBooty said:
Does anyone else feel majorly tired the day after Kratom use.? I was so tired I took a long nap after work...although I didn't need my prescribed klonopin today for the first time in a year (I get panic attacks and anxiety but the krAtom afterglow made it go away,
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I usually feel energized and upbeat the next day. Depends on the strain, though.
 
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