Kratom The Kratom Megathread

[when I dream]

I take 150mg of bupropion 2x a day; I've never noticed it have any effect of the action of the kratom that I use. It may just be tolerance. I don't see any reason bupropion would "cancel out" kratom, but I'm no expert either.

 

[pinpoint]

How's the UEI been lately?

Last time I had some it was Christmas day last year. I've had some FST and OEB since then, but only sporadically. I still remember the first time I did UEI, which was also my first experience with extracts/enhanced products and boy did I underestimated the power of it. On vacation I dosed 2 grams of UEI and ended up nodding out face down in a double cheeseburger at a Wendy's in downtown Seattle with some employee telling me that I "have to leave now" or he's calling the cops. Hah, not my classiest moment, but damn, that was some powerful stuff!

What do you think they are then?

You don't think most of what is in them is derived from alkaloids present in Kratom?

If not, what do you think is in them?

Amanitadine (RIP) had ran some tests (on FST?) and found no mitragynine. I don't believe it's official but mitragynine pseudoindoxyl or a close analogue is a good guess.

 

[Doldrugs]

I got UEI recently and 500 mg was enough.

Maybe extracts exclude mitragynine, it's not the primary active chemical.

 

[Hammilton]

I say it's not an extract because it's a semi synthetic analogue

 

[Doldrugs]

I say it's not an extract because it's a semi synthetic analogue

The question is, where is the proof.

 

[deruyityn]

Hey guys i took 3.2 grams of red vein borneo yesterday (my usual strian) and i got pretty much 0 effect. This effect when a month or two ago 3 grams had me nauseaus and too high (that was after a month break). I only take it twice a week so that is some crazy tolerance no? I had been experimenting with taking it a day sooner each time as I figured it was working well for my depression and the days i had to wait were still mentally painful so i wanted to see if i could get more out of this plant. seems i couldnt. each time it seems to diminish the effects more and more and waiting only two days yesterday vs my usual 3 or 4 blunted effects almost completely. Doesnt this sound strange tho for such small usage? Do i just have a super immune system that wont take crap from kratom?

Also have you guys found there is a tolerance plateau where you can stay at the same dosage without going up or would it be continuously diminishing returns? Sicne i was getting more of a fuzzy unpleasant high when i was going higher im thinking the latter.

I tried the switching strains and results are inconclusive. I took up to 4 grams of red riau and did get a buzz with the other day but the buzz was so fuzzy like cotton wool in my head rather than a nice clear euphoric feeling i used to get. This is a bummer since i only wanted it for depression and its conked out already.

That was still a red vein variety so i guess the alk profile might be too similar still but my problem with whites is they were so anxiety inducing when i tried it felt like someone was grabbing my chest and squeezing my heart with their fist. So i dont know if theres any point trying them again. Seems it isnt a very suitable anti depressant after all. I would try tianeptine but i feel too guilty about the poor animals that suffered due to my mental insufficiencies. it eats me up inside.

 

[Monchhichi]

Kraken Kratom is pretty awesome but they don't have white maeng da. It's just Maeng Da.

 

[Monchhichi]

Extracts raise your tolerance noticeably in a way plain leaf doesn't. I've experienced it. They're worth avoiding for that reason alone. But I think they're fun from time to time. I've heard rumors that they have synthetics in them but never seen confirmation or proof.

AMEN brother. I don't care what ANYONE says. I was as dope sick on FST withdrawal as dope. They are evil but fun. Proceed with caution when it comes to extracts.

 

[Mycophile]

AMEN brother. I don't care what ANYONE says. I was as dope sick on FST withdrawal as dope. They are evil but fun. Proceed with caution when it comes to extracts.

How often do you do extracts though?

I never use Kratom more than 3 times a week max and wouldn't use an extract more than once a week with maybe plain leaf one other day, so I don't that's enough to cause withdrawal.

 

[Monchhichi]

I was doing 70 drops of FST from Speciosa daily. Sometimes I'd stack powder on top of it. But if you're keeping it to three times a week, you should be good. Just be careful and don't overdo it. Running out of FST for three days is what started the dope addiction for me.

 

[《Plasticity》]

I got UEI recently and 500 mg was enough.

Maybe extracts exclude mitragynine, it's not the primary active chemical.

Amanita has posted about this several times and from what I understand the FST tested as containing nothing but unidentifiable corynantheidine based analogs. In other words the primary component is some kratom based analog or analogues. While amanitadine didn't provide paperwork if your familiar with who he was his honest word is pretty much golden. His behind the scenes knowledge of kratom was so sharp that I kind of regret not trying to get a bit more out him while he was still here .

If for whatever reason you feel his word isn't good enough keep in mind that this vendor makes no attempts at hiding the fact that some of their extracts contain "oxindole and pseudoindoxyl compounds", words taken from some of their product descriptions. From the info they provide alone it's pretty much fact that this vendor adds semi/synthetic's to their extracts.

Whether or not pseudoindoxyl is a mystery compound in UEI is up for debate, but if it isn't were just back to the extract containing different kratom based analogs, and no kratom. At this point it would probably be more unwise to assume that UEI is your typical kratom based extract than the opposite. Effects wise it feels very different from legit full spectrum alkaloid extracts and a lot more like a unique full agonist with no real ceiling. This stuff goes beyond what regular extracts can do.

 

[f33lg00d]

Neet new name, Plasticity. Got that mod status too.

Im on 1-2mg of bupe a day, havent had uei in a long time but just order 6g. Anyone have any idea if it'll be able to touch me? Of course ill be skipping bupe that day.

 

[KjamD]

Over the last year I've been plagued with knee injuries that required 2 surgeries and a diagnosis of psoriatic arthritis. I was given hydrocodone for most of that time period and found myself dependent. I stopped using it about 2 months ago (torturous withdrawal!) but continue to have joint and muscle pains due to the arthritis. I'm on medications for the autoimmune problems, but my rheumatologist will not prescribe pain meds for breakthrough aches and pains. So after some research I discovered kratom. Just took my first dose, powdered Red Vein Sumatra. I went off of a dosing chart and decided to start at what I thought was a moderate strength, but apparently 6g is a very strong dose for the red vein type. Oopsie! So far I'm fine. It's been about 45 min since I drank it with juice. Sedated, euphoric and my pain is gone. Will I achieve the same euphoria and pain relief with a little less sedation at a smaller dose. Say 4g? I'm new to kratom so I don't want take too much and boost my tolerance super fast. Thanks!

 

[Doldrugs]

keep in mind that this vendor makes no attempts at hiding the fact that some of their extracts contain "oxindole and pseudoindoxyl compounds", words taken from some of their product descriptions. From the info they provide alone it's pretty much fact that this vendor adds semi/synthetic's to their extracts.

This seems more an argument that UEI and FST aren't made with synthetics, if anything. Why be completely honest about your oxindole product and then lie about other products?

 

[《Plasticity》]

Why would a "full spectrum extract" contain no mitragynine whatsoever? That alone proves that they're very much capable of being a bit... misleading. To assume that the contents of these particular extracts are bonafide because they've admitted that their oxindole bali, a completely separate product, does in fact contain synthetics is a bit of a stretch don't you think? Especially when dealing with a vendor who openly adulterates their extracts and the questionable product was ran through HPLC and shown to contain synthetics and no kratom alkaloids, when we're supposed to be dealing with an extract said to contain "the full spectrum of kratom alkaloids".

It's not like it's just one person making accusations, I know of at least two reputable vendors who were drawing similar conclusions made by a BL'er they've never spoken to, a BL'er who actually has ran testing on the product with results that confirm the suspicions of the product not being a genuine full spectrum extract. You're more than welcome to give them the benefit of the doubt, but with all this aside, really all it would take is a side by side comparison of a legit full spectrum extract and either UEI or FST to realize we're dealing with something entirely different.

 

[Bartman57]

I have studied quite a bit about Tianeptine to replace my Seroquel and it looks promising to me. How do PM crunk if I may politely ask? Thank you.

 

[when I dream]

It seems to me that someone must be doing the research into the kratom alkaloids to produce these possible semi-synthetic chemicals; knowing that, it seems weird that there really isn't any literature about what is in these "extracts".

Is all UEI made by the same producer? Does anyone know where that producer is located? I only know of the one vendor selling OEB but I know many different vendors offer UEI.

I dunno, I can't be the only one here that finds this so perplexing right? My point, I guess, is that someone out there must know what these mixtures contain and therefore in this Information Age it is strange that no one else does. The people that produce these mixtures and know the ingredients must be making bank to want to keep this shit under wraps so well.

Also, it seems wildly immoral for the people who produce this stuff to not give any information about what it contains.I mean shit, even when a semi-clandestine lab comes up with a new RC they usually give up the name, molecular structure, etc. (that's what it's seemed like in the past at least, I could be wrong).

 

[Doldrugs]

Why would a "full spectrum extract" contain no mitragynine whatsoever? That alone proves that they're very much capable of being a bit... misleading.

FST should certainly contain mitragynine, or at least 7OHM. I agree it would be misleading otherwise. But I don't see how a conclusion based on a solitary and unsubstantiated report proves much of anything. I know I, for one, am not much persuaded by a secondhand account of something a guy I don't know said he did.

Regardless, it's clearly a good idea to use this stuff sparingly unless more information comes out. Plain leaf works. Tolerance breaks seem to be effective in my experience if that becomes an issue.

 

[oxygirlinct]

My first experience with kratom was ordering capsules (mostly bc I had no experience with it and thought it'd be easier). I think I dosed incorrectly and so it was a waste. I'm giving it a second shot from the same site and this time I got a kratom powder sample pack, a kratom extract sample pack (maenga da, malaysian, sumatra). Ill let you know how it goes if you're interested. I guess this time I'll make some tea?

Anyone with more experience, feel free to contribute

xx

 

[Doldrugs]

So I've noticed something interesting. I'm currently off lexapro (temporarily) and ever since I finished my taper kratom affects me differently. I need lower doses and higher doses give me negative effects I never used to get, like nausea and anxiety. It also sedates me more now. The anxiety makes sense, because lexapro reduces my anxiety a lot. But I find it very strange it would reduce nausea and sedation and the overall potency per dose.

My first experience with kratom was ordering capsules (mostly bc I had no experience with it and thought it'd be easier). I think I dosed incorrectly and so it was a waste. I'm giving it a second shot from the same site and this time I got a kratom powder sample pack, a kratom extract sample pack (maenga da, malaysian, sumatra). Ill let you know how it goes if you're interested. I guess this time I'll make some tea?

Capsules are garbage. It just doesn't get digested fast enough to have optimum effect. I also wouldn't make tea. It works if you make it right, but even then you lose potency. Mix it with orange juice and chug it, or parachute it. That always works no matter what.

Figuring out your optimum dosage can be a process, it seems like it varies quite dramatically depending on the person. Start low and work up to maximum positive effects and minimum negatives. This is definitely a "sweet spot" chemical so the only reason to change your dose is tolerance at that point.