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Baby700
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Quick question...
Last 2 weeks I have had 4-8ml in the evening for recreational use. Got 3-4hrs sleep /night. Last night post dosages I couldn't (and haven't slept) and had anxiety.
I am about to go away for 4 days. Should I just go cold turkey and dose up on valium if I feel jittery, or should I take some G with me and taper down?
Last 2 weeks I have had 4-8ml in the evening for recreational use. Got 3-4hrs sleep /night. Last night post dosages I couldn't (and haven't slept) and had anxiety.
I am about to go away for 4 days. Should I just go cold turkey and dose up on valium if I feel jittery, or should I take some G with me and taper down?
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I'm flying today and I get anxiety from that, so the combo probably doesn't help. And add the sleep dep. I feel fine now, just tired (obviously), so think I'll just take some valium for the flight and hopefully will get a good night sleep tonight and be 100% (or close thereto) by tomorrow.
Just freakin out about the WD symptoms and thinking bad things when I ought to be fine
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Actually really glad I read this thread...very timely. Been using G for years recreationally, so basically all night dosing sessions, but only sparodically when clubbing etc. But I recently acquired a personal stash and it's way too easy to get home from work and use it to make the night more enjoyable. Noticed it messed my sleep up immediately, was getting 3-4hrs/night, but feeling fine regardless. Basically at the point now where I could keep going with nightly use (and a morning dose right now would be lovely, I admit) but yeah...after reading some ppl's stories on here I think (hope) I have been scared into being sensible.
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My wkend was fine. Slept fine. Felt fine. Phew! Was a little stressed for a bit there. Much appreciate the advice and will heed the warnings well! Wishing all of u battling an addiction/withdrawal well, this stuff is way too yummy.You'll know when you've pushed it too far, but then it's too late. Glad you've read of what can happen, and taken heed.
On that note though...cheers...it's raining and a night-time vial seemed like a delicious idea
(my first in days though >angel hat< haha).NYChk79
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I have been GHB free for about 2 weeks and I feel the best I have ever felt in a WHILE. I had a strong addiction to GBL for about a 2 yr period until most of the sites were shut down at which point I turned to 1.4 butanediol due to the cheap price and availability of it here in the states (many of the sites offer overnight shipping as well). BDO was a nasty drug and highly addictive, I craved it all the time and the first thing I did when I woke up was have a dose, the last thing I did before I went to sleep was have a dose.
The side effects were nasty; the most I could sleep each night was 2 to 3 hours/ wake up and be awake for 2 to 3 hours/ fall back asleep for 2 to 3 hours, etc. It was horrible! And I found myself having to take a (strong) dose in order to be able to induce sleep. Also, I noticed that my appetite increased, I was ALWAYS hungry and it wasn't for healthy good it was greasy, fried, FATTY food! ugh I was always eating, always thinking about the next dose and when I could get it.
Going out to clubs and bars my visine bottle of G or B would always follow me either in my pocket or in my shoe if they were doing searches at the door. Anything to get that G in the club! Once in I would find the closest bar, get a red bull and spike my drink, usually never measuring just squirting the visine bottle directly into my drink. "Swirl to taste" as I say. Doing that was the most stupid thing anybody could do - it landed me in the hospital twice and cost me countless embaressing moments falling down in the middle of the dance floor, not being able to speak - I look back at it now and I ask myself, what the FUCK was I thinking??
Ugh, I realize it's only been two weeks but my mind feels so much more clear. My cravings for that nasty shit have decreased BIG time and I feel like I'm definitely on the road to recovery. I'm purposely taking about a month "break" from going out, hanging with my friends, so I won't be tempted. I really need to use this month for "me" time and although a little lonely, it's what I need right now.
To all those trying to beat the habit know that it can be done and if you have any questions let me know!
The side effects were nasty; the most I could sleep each night was 2 to 3 hours/ wake up and be awake for 2 to 3 hours/ fall back asleep for 2 to 3 hours, etc. It was horrible! And I found myself having to take a (strong) dose in order to be able to induce sleep. Also, I noticed that my appetite increased, I was ALWAYS hungry and it wasn't for healthy good it was greasy, fried, FATTY food! ugh I was always eating, always thinking about the next dose and when I could get it.
Going out to clubs and bars my visine bottle of G or B would always follow me either in my pocket or in my shoe if they were doing searches at the door. Anything to get that G in the club! Once in I would find the closest bar, get a red bull and spike my drink, usually never measuring just squirting the visine bottle directly into my drink. "Swirl to taste" as I say. Doing that was the most stupid thing anybody could do - it landed me in the hospital twice and cost me countless embaressing moments falling down in the middle of the dance floor, not being able to speak - I look back at it now and I ask myself, what the FUCK was I thinking??
Ugh, I realize it's only been two weeks but my mind feels so much more clear. My cravings for that nasty shit have decreased BIG time and I feel like I'm definitely on the road to recovery. I'm purposely taking about a month "break" from going out, hanging with my friends, so I won't be tempted. I really need to use this month for "me" time and although a little lonely, it's what I need right now.
To all those trying to beat the habit know that it can be done and if you have any questions let me know!
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Glad to hear you're feeling better NY. I hope the trend continues and you keep on feeling better.
welcome btw. Stick around. It's fun in here.
welcome btw. Stick around. It's fun in here.
SnrG
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GBL addiction, withdrawal and BACLOFEN
I've taken propranolol for years for the physical effects of anxiety - they get rid of the red face, sweats, stammering and pounding heart etc, and enable me to function. Much much better than benzos for anxiety - the most effective dose is about 60mg. I've taken up to 2000mg as an overdose, and all it will do is lower your heart rate, and make you cold as fuck. You can't overdose on it. But no point in taking more than about 80mg for anxiety. Higher doses are for angina.
The best G withdrawal med I've tried is Baclofen, and if you can get it, pregabalin. About 90mg of Baclofen with 400mg of pregabalin is good for around 8hours of g withdrawal symptom free. That taken for around two days is enough to see off the horrendous G withdrawal, which is your worst living nightmares come true.
The easiest way to get baclofen, is to feign a back injury - they are prescribed for muscle spasms, and the GP will hand them out quite easily especially if you say you've twisted your back and its spasming, and you don't want to take painkillers - it has no reputation for abuse potential so the doc will give it to you easily.
As for getting pregabalin, you need to complain of anxiety, and tell the GP you don't want valium, as you heard they're addictive, but you know a friend thats prescribed pregabalin for anxiety, and it works wonders. Its horrendously expensive as its still under license to pfizer, but if you're in the UK you shouldn't have any problems. If you have neuropathic pain, its prescribed for that, and its a very good alternative to strong painkillers.
Good luck!! G withdrawals were the worst of any drug I've been addicted to in ferocity, although I have to say that valium addiction and withdrawal are the absolute fucken worst.
Vit b12 in its pure form is also essential for relieving the numbness and tingling in the hands that g addiction/withdrawal chucks at you too.
So its baclofen and b12 that are the easiest to acquire and bring immediate relief.
Don't hammer the baclofen either, as it can bring its own addiction, and withdrawals, although I've found it takes a long time to acquire an addiction, and the WDs aren't too bad. You will freeze like hell though.
I've taken propranolol for years for the physical effects of anxiety - they get rid of the red face, sweats, stammering and pounding heart etc, and enable me to function. Much much better than benzos for anxiety - the most effective dose is about 60mg. I've taken up to 2000mg as an overdose, and all it will do is lower your heart rate, and make you cold as fuck. You can't overdose on it. But no point in taking more than about 80mg for anxiety. Higher doses are for angina.
The best G withdrawal med I've tried is Baclofen, and if you can get it, pregabalin. About 90mg of Baclofen with 400mg of pregabalin is good for around 8hours of g withdrawal symptom free. That taken for around two days is enough to see off the horrendous G withdrawal, which is your worst living nightmares come true.
The easiest way to get baclofen, is to feign a back injury - they are prescribed for muscle spasms, and the GP will hand them out quite easily especially if you say you've twisted your back and its spasming, and you don't want to take painkillers - it has no reputation for abuse potential so the doc will give it to you easily.
As for getting pregabalin, you need to complain of anxiety, and tell the GP you don't want valium, as you heard they're addictive, but you know a friend thats prescribed pregabalin for anxiety, and it works wonders. Its horrendously expensive as its still under license to pfizer, but if you're in the UK you shouldn't have any problems. If you have neuropathic pain, its prescribed for that, and its a very good alternative to strong painkillers.
Good luck!! G withdrawals were the worst of any drug I've been addicted to in ferocity, although I have to say that valium addiction and withdrawal are the absolute fucken worst.
Vit b12 in its pure form is also essential for relieving the numbness and tingling in the hands that g addiction/withdrawal chucks at you too.
So its baclofen and b12 that are the easiest to acquire and bring immediate relief.
Don't hammer the baclofen either, as it can bring its own addiction, and withdrawals, although I've found it takes a long time to acquire an addiction, and the WDs aren't too bad. You will freeze like hell though.
eclipsedesign
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Ho ho ho. I remember when I had a big bottle and my pipette broke I measured by pouring out into a cap and looking by eye, dispite friends warnings.
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those cheapo pipettes are forever breaking at the seam where you squeeze them to draw in the liquid. GRR
I'll admit to once using a mcdonalds straw with my thumb over the end of it as a make shift pipette. Any one thats taken G without measuring it can probably work out how that went for me
I'll admit to once using a mcdonalds straw with my thumb over the end of it as a make shift pipette. Any one thats taken G without measuring it can probably work out how that went for me
Full Effect
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For me the key thing with G is to have some Pregabalin at all times, this is if you have had some problems with it, it's perfect as an alternative.
I'm actually on a year break atm, 6 months into that, but I will be trying again after the year is up hopefully get some euphoria back, having said that G is always great for music it has lost some euphoria but music still sounds awesome.
So I think with Pregabalin as an alternative/back-up you won't go far wrong, take your G during a set time say 4pm-11pm, then once that is up take a dose of pregablin for sleep, it makes me tired that stuff and i get a real good sleep.
It's all about rules and having an alternative drug to use as a go between. :D
Obviously a 0.1ml/5ml syringe is essential, find your sweet spot and never, never go above it.
It's insane how dose sensitive this stuff is.
I'm actually on a year break atm, 6 months into that, but I will be trying again after the year is up hopefully get some euphoria back, having said that G is always great for music it has lost some euphoria but music still sounds awesome.
So I think with Pregabalin as an alternative/back-up you won't go far wrong, take your G during a set time say 4pm-11pm, then once that is up take a dose of pregablin for sleep, it makes me tired that stuff and i get a real good sleep.
It's all about rules and having an alternative drug to use as a go between. :D
Obviously a 0.1ml/5ml syringe is essential, find your sweet spot and never, never go above it.
It's insane how dose sensitive this stuff is.
SnrG
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For me the key thing with G is to have some Pregabalin at all times, this is if you have had some problems with it, it's perfect as an alternative.
I'm actually on a year break atm, 6 months into that, but I will be trying again after the year is up hopefully get some euphoria back, having said that G is always great for music it has lost some euphoria but music still sounds awesome.
So I think with Pregabalin as an alternative/back-up you won't go far wrong, take your G during a set time say 4pm-11pm, then once that is up take a dose of pregablin for sleep, it makes me tired that stuff and i get a real good sleep.
It's all about rules and having an alternative drug to use as a go between. :D
Obviously a 0.1ml/5ml syringe is essential, find your sweet spot and never, never go above it.
It's insane how dose sensitive this stuff is.
This is very good advice. I've always been shit with measuring it out, and before used the pipette and a dropper, which were graduated in .5mls. I currently use syringes I inject steroids with, but they're also in .5mls.
I need to get some smaller barrels, so I can start to use this stuff properly.
I'd also highly recommend to have pregabalin on hand and baclofen. Benzos are good as well, but I find them IMPOSSIBLE to get off GPs now.
I had some good advice from Treacle on withdrawing with baclofen, but my problem with being an addict is that I'll withdraw using preg and bac and benzos and feel find after two days, then I'll just start using G again. Insanity.
I need to get some smaller syringes.
SnrG
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Diesel smelling sweat/
Does anyone else go through sweating oily diesel smelling stuff which stinks the room out when withdrawing cold turkey from G?
I used to get it before and had it really bad when I was in a detox ward last xmas doing a cold turkey (except for olanzapine) withdrawal from G. The whole room stank of diesel smell and the other patients really noticed it
Does anyone else go through sweating oily diesel smelling stuff which stinks the room out when withdrawing cold turkey from G?
I used to get it before and had it really bad when I was in a detox ward last xmas doing a cold turkey (except for olanzapine) withdrawal from G. The whole room stank of diesel smell and the other patients really noticed it
Onandoff
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wow really???
That is unheard of
That is unheard of
Sadie
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I don't think sweating is uncommon but the diesel thing is new to me.
ive only ever tried g 4 or 5 times and everytime i have ive still had night sweats and ive only ever taken one dose, possibly with one more top up later on at the most. fuck knows what the withdrawls are like you become addicted to it, i dread to think
Sadie
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Yeah, I thought night sweats were quite common. Not just a bit of sweat. Buckets.
SnrG
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Yeah, it was really bad. Its almost like my skin is covered in baby oil its that bad. I never noticed it much myself, like alcos don't notice their sweat smells of stale booze, but my wife complained of it several times over a few months, and the detox folks said it was noticeable when we were sitting in an open lounge.
I've not had it on this month long binge, but I've had a few off days. Maybe its different types of gbl, but all were imported unopened from two different suppliers.
On this run, I had one really bad night of sweats, and it was the same consistency as before - lathered more than sweating, but it didn't have a chance to progress further, as I just wapped some more G to stop it.
Now that I've access to baclofen and pregabalin, I haven't been sweating at all. Just curious to see if anyone else had experienced it.
This was all, of course, after very heavy use over many weeks, but on one occasion, I got it from a two week 24/7 run. Sheets were soaked just like an opiate or booze cold turkey. Its always worse in winter when its absolutely freezing and your stuck under the sheets with sweat coming off in buckets and your still shivering cold.![:\](https://bluelight.org/xf/BL_Images/Orig_Emoji/wrygrin.gif "wry grin :\")
I've not had it on this month long binge, but I've had a few off days. Maybe its different types of gbl, but all were imported unopened from two different suppliers.
On this run, I had one really bad night of sweats, and it was the same consistency as before - lathered more than sweating, but it didn't have a chance to progress further, as I just wapped some more G to stop it.
Now that I've access to baclofen and pregabalin, I haven't been sweating at all. Just curious to see if anyone else had experienced it.
This was all, of course, after very heavy use over many weeks, but on one occasion, I got it from a two week 24/7 run. Sheets were soaked just like an opiate or booze cold turkey. Its always worse in winter when its absolutely freezing and your stuck under the sheets with sweat coming off in buckets and your still shivering cold.
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