The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

[DS_]

Yeah i've experienced it multiple times.

I wish my gabapentin would kick in and stop me shaking!

 

[Full Effect]

Yeah i've experienced it multiple times.

I wish my gabapentin would kick in and stop me shaking!

Alwasy found Gabbapentin way to weak, it's essentially watered down Pregs, try and get some Pregs way better !

 

[DS_]

Alwasy found Gabbapentin way to weak, it's essentially watered down Pregs, try and get some Pregs way better !

Gabapentin is great for me. I never let the addiction go on too long - I cut it straight out once I start getting the shakes and the dosing schedule becomes unmanageable. I don't want to experience serious withdrawals as I found my relatively mild ones horrendous.

 

[Treacle]

One of my last ones was so bad that to start, I took 300mg of pregablin, around 140mg of baclofen, some diaz, and some propranolol, and I was still in an absolute state. Heart beating so hard and fast that you could see it shaking me, massive anxiety, terrified. Eventually I had some risperidone (an antipsychotic) and luckily it pretty much knocked me out. I was sort of OK after that, but I was so alarmed at how nothing at all seemed to work. Fucking scary. Never again. It's actually been so long now that I know I mean it. I don't ever want to see the stuff again. I would definitely have been in A&E had I not had meds to help. Also, GBL is far, far worse for WDs. Convert your stuff people, if you're going to use 24/7.

 

[DS_]

One of my last ones was so bad that to start, I took 300mg of pregablin, around 140mg of baclofen, some diaz, and some propranolol, and I was still in an absolute state. Heart beating so hard and fast that you could see it shaking me, massive anxiety, terrified. Eventually I had some risperidone (an antipsychotic) and luckily it pretty much knocked me out. I was sort of OK after that, but I was so alarmed at how nothing at all seemed to work. Fucking scary. Never again. It's actually been so long now that I know I mean it. I don't ever want to see the stuff again. I would definitely have been in A&E had I not had meds to help. Also, GBL is far, far worse for WDs. Convert your stuff people, if you're going to use 24/7.

I meant your dosing times.

 

[poppyplease.]

how do the wd from ghb/gbl compare to coming off heroin.

 

[Treacle]

I've heard they can be worse. No personal experience, however.

 

[debaser]

Withdrawing from GABA drugs can be severe and lethal to some, and a walk in the park to others. Strange drugs indeed.

 

[poppyplease.]

I've heard they can be worse. No personal experience, however.

Thanks.

 

[amanitadine]

how do the wd from ghb/gbl compare to coming off heroin.

having had extensive experience with both I would much rather kick heroin anyday. GBL withdrawal, while also unbearably physical, has such an unbelievably psychotic mental twist. And sure, you want to die while going through heroin withdrawals, but during GBL withdrawals you feel like you actually might die. Uggh

I'm with you Treacle, Never Again! (and its been looong enough that I can actually say that with some confidence :D)

 

[Ruffchuck]

I've not been around much I've had a seperate health issue. I can't be too specific as I have a relative who has a prob with GBL & would recognise my info if registered here.

The thing is I've been using GBL daily for a few weeks or more daily, prior to that it wasa bit less but it's been up and down, I combine it with large doses of ritalin, and I have hit the bottle a bit since I had this health scare-which seems to have returned.

My problem is I suppose I take 1.5 ml sometimes 2mls every few hours, someties I'll crash which gives me a longer break from taking it. However I've done this daily and nightly for easily 3-4 months and I amjust cutting down.


My internet isrestricted due to broken laptop sopleaseexcuse the spelling errors etcthe keyboard doesn't work properly, and I can't correct it as I may get booted offline.
But now my GP iswanting me to get blood tests done under heamotology for fbc-full blood count I assume, and ESR -have no idea what this means?
under biochemistry random glucose (diabetes poss). BUT what's worrying me is Renal profile, LIVER PROFILE, bone profile. She's asked for a thyroid profile. In her notes she's written not very clearly so I'll have to guess anti endanapial antibodies.

I am supposed to go Monday, haven'r drunk for a week anyway but Ihave read so much conflicting infoon where GBL is converted and liver effects I am thinking of rescheduling for the following week. My ritalin is on script and although I have valium I don't want to risk that staying in mysystem foris it 72 hoursas I don't get prescribed that. Same with Zopiclone which I onlytake occasionally either 7.5 or half of 1. But I rarely use it and have used Kalms, valerian tea and Dormeasan herbal tincture.

I know Treacle is very knowledgeable about these things, but equally I am taking livercare which id milk thistle and dandelion etc etc and high strength vit b complex. I take L5htp & Ltyrosine too.

If the results will show up a lot more just by me going a week earlier itcould cause lots of problems so can someone please give me as accurate informed opinion as I'll have knockedthe GBL on the headby tomoorow night and use the propanolol 40mg I'm prescribed.

I am really worried and need to know asap as someone's coming with me and I'll need to put them off.

Can anyone with more knowledge and experience please post a respose that may be of some help to me? I'm knocking it on the head as it is because I've used it in a way to get thru the health scare and deal with it alone after a lot of hassle from someone unpleasant whois now no longer in my life.

Thanks for reading and I'd really appreciate any feedback that could help.

 

[dee_dee]

i have met lots of people who are having serious problems coming off of gbl. it is a very big problem here in london with gay men at the moment. do yourself a favour, no u want to stop it, and stop it, its for your own good. when u r not enjoying it anymore and you no its not right, then u have to make the decision its not for you anymore. thats all it takes is to hate the situation your in to turn it round in your favour

 

[Ruffchuck]

I amcoming off it but need pactical info on hosp tests please

I understand what you are saying and I don't intend to continue as my health is worse and I know it's down to GBL BUT in the meantime Irealy need to know what impact it will have had that could show up onthose tests mentioned above. I'm completely off it today so was going to schedule the tests for next monday instead of this monday. I just need to know if that'll help with some of the results, no drinking will have been for 2 and a half wksand 10 days off G.

Please can I have some practical advice with regard my initial medical dilemma from someone who knows about the metabolism, conversion, chemistry of the effects regarding the blood tests I am having which were planned for monday, but can be mved.

I agree with your view, I wish I'd never tried it and t's longer in my house.

I really need practical answers to my origial question as soon as possible as I have to change plans.

Thanks

 

[SnrG]

Ruffchuck

I had fbc, and a raft of other blood tests when I was having medication changed a year ago. At the time of the test, I was as high as a monkey on gbl 8) Made fuck all difference to the results. So I wouldn't worry. If you feel better about it, leave it for a week. Then, you'll not have to worry pointlessly, plus you'll be over any withdrawals, if you get any as well.


I've noticed these days, the only withdrawals I notice are extreme anxiety, and pounding heart. Then a couple of days feeling totally devoid of any life. After that, its heading back to normal.

 

[Ruffchuck]

Thanks

Ruffchuck

I had fbc, and a raft of other blood tests when I was having medication changed a year ago. At the time of the test, I was as high as a monkey on gbl 8) Made fuck all difference to the results. So I wouldn't worry. If you feel better about it, leave it for a week. Then, you'll not have to worry pointlessly, plus you'll be over any withdrawals, if you get any as well.


I've noticed these days, the only withdrawals I notice are extreme anxiety, and pounding heart. Then a couple of days feeling totally devoid of any life. After that, its heading back to normal.

Do you know if your tests included a liver function and renal check? Also how much/long had you been drinking if atall around that time. I rarely drank altho I'd previously had a problem with it, but suffered a trauma recently hence going off the rails.

I'm so glad someone's answered the question. Ifanyone else has any input I'd be equally as interested.

I've cut it back much easier this time and quicker than any other time I'm surprised, but not complacent.

Cheers SnrG, you can PM me but I've not posted enough to message others yet. My PC's breaking & I can't always get online & sort another 1 out straight away.

I don't want awkward questions re the liver situation. I was doing fine til I had this recent trauma and it's so mental you couldn't make it up! LOL

 

[effie]

There's no way someone could tell you were taking GBL simply by looking at liver and renal function blood tests. If a problem showed up on either of those, it's a really good thing to know about, but very very unlikely to have anything to do with GBL and there is no way a doctor would guess that you are taking it from blood test! Most haven't even heard of it to be honest. If liver function is off they'll ask about alcohol but could be many other things too, they won't assume you've been taking drugs..

Btw I suspect the other test is anti-endomysial antibodies and ESR is a general measure of inflammation/infection, not diagnosing anything specific just providing the doc with more info about what is going on. It sounds like she's doing a general health check as she's asked for most of the common blood tests - good luck with them, and don't put them off cos of GBL use!

 

[Treacle]

Yeah, pretty much what effie said. GBL won't affect liver function whatsoever, so no need to worry.

 

[Ruffchuck]

Phew! Thanks so much effie and Treacle

I used alcohol A LOT (Dec '07-May '09). May 09 is when I started to use GBL instead, as I don't really like drinking! At times until about 3-4 months ago my alcohol use may've exceeded the recomended limit some weeks but some weeks I'd have none. My G usage was tiny but over time increased upto the last 4 months to daily/round clock. As I got fed up with G and hit serious trauma issues the past 3-4 months I'd switch between that and alcohol.

Any idea how much may show up regarding recent-ish binge drinking on non G usage days?

Your knowledge has helped immensely though thank you.

My sleep is rubbish and nothing knocks me out now though! So just to regulate the body clock would be sensible.

This site is a bloomin life saver and you guys are majorly appreciated. Thank you

 

[SnrG]

hi ruff, I'll shoot you a pm in a minute. i keep forgetting how to find threads i've posted on! i'm crap with computers.

later
Snr

 

[LuckyStriker]

Does slowly increasing the timespan between each redose work to withdraw from it? I can stand the symptoms for 5 hours, so I am only taking 3 doses a day now.