The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread

[Hector]

Oh and don't OD man. I know nothing about you or your situation but since your getting help, i'm sure things will start to get better.

 

[Treacle]

I cant believe how imprudent it is to recommend PHENIBUT to someone who has an GHB abuse pattern of consumption. Sorry for my poor english yall im french... PHENIBUT causes withdrawal symptoms as early as 5 days straight consumption, wich is obviosly what a ghb abuser will do. Ive taken ridiculously high amounts of phenibut after my last ghb withdrawal (in wich the withdrawal from the benzos they gave me at the clinic was the worst part). Like a heaping spoonful in the morning , one at noon and one or two the evening... In the beginning just a big spoonful makes u vomit the next morning.... The effects from large doses of phenibut causes euphoria , a LOT of energy but not in the speedy freaky paranois way , the ghb-type energy..., an unusual desire for sex, even after uve just cummed u still want it, it never ends..., profound sleep, confidence, talkativeness(?).... the phenibut stays really long in your body, in the beggining a dose makes u high all day, and the next morning ure still fuct up and happy all day. Soooo when u withdrawal the process is loooong and paaaainful , it seems like it never ends. Withdrawal from GHB with a tapering process is possible with a lot of heart, but with phenibut..phewww... i dont see how u could live all that shit with no benzos to ease the pain. I had trazodone and Restoril to help. Finished that with SUN-THEANINE ..the whole shit lasted about 3.5 weeks...HELL...

GHB withdrawals symptoms are more immediate, 4 hours later ure tensed, palpitations, anxiety, not feeling at ease , these weene off more wuickly than phenibut...

PHENIBUT withdrawals symptoms creep up on u ... lots of palpitations but an urge to cry , insomnia for weeks, no libido watsoever and it lasts so long...

Im scared to touch that shit again, even after bein on everything u can imagine and takin them the worst way possible....

have fun but yo dont EVER take phenibut more than once every two weeks...good luck

Not sure where to start with this. I'll try the top. I don't think it's particularly unwise to suggest phenibut to assist someone with G withdrawal, at all. I, for one, don't find it at all recreational. I'm unsure of your definition of euphoria, but there's little or none to be found with phenibut - therefore why would someone compulsively take it? Your dosing for GHB withdrawal was absolutely ridiculous. That's why you felt so shit. You must have been on 10+ grammes a day, when most people would get through on less than half of that. Also, even the most serious cases of phenibut withdrawal only last about a week, so you're wired seriously wrong, if yours lasted three and a half weeks. The one time that I withdrew from phenibut, it lasted about 4 or 5 days, with tapering. It is hell, you're right there.

So, to summarise; if you are using phenibut for G withdrawal, get some scales and don't just eat spoonfuls of it. Don't use it for more than two days, or you'll be worse than you were. That will carry you through the worst of the symptoms, and you can just deal with the last day or two. The first time I had phenibut for G withdrawals, one dose was enough to get me off completely. Good luck all. I'm glad I'm not in that fucking boat any more.

 

[bignbrown]

think im at the worst now, i had to use some yesterday and ive tipped away the rest, fuck that stuff, extremely anxious, shakey, feel horrible tingling all over my body esp my head (is this normal), feel tensed up, tight next, high heart rate. eurgh, if i just cold turkey now how long can i expect it to lastt?

 

[FlippingTop]

So you have been 24/7 for about 9 days, then a single dose yesterday right? You should feel better as each day goes by, maybe about a week to feel pretty much normal again. You are probably at the worst now, give it a couple of days and you will feel a lot better.

 

[bignbrown]

i hate being so jittery and shakey!

 

[DS_]

think im at the worst now, i had to use some yesterday and ive tipped away the rest, fuck that stuff, extremely anxious, shakey, feel horrible tingling all over my body esp my head (is this normal), feel tensed up, tight next, high heart rate. eurgh, if i just cold turkey now how long can i expect it to lastt?

Hold in there mate. I was having similar issues to you and I can proudly say that I'm feeling pretty good today. I think I'm ready to be a normal person again. Heh

 

[bignbrown]

Hold in there mate. I was having similar issues to you and I can proudly say that I'm feeling pretty good today. I think I'm ready to be a normal person again. Heh

im sitting out of a family lunch today saying i feel ill because im so shakey.

 

[DS_]

im sitting out of a family lunch today saying i feel ill because im so shakey.

Yeah I had to do that. I also had to stop working which is going to cost me money but I kept having panic attacks. It was a nightmare. It gets better though mate the most annoying bit is the sleeping. I was using 0.5ml or so to ease myself to sleep and then redosing during the night. I'm hoping for some natural sleep tonight.

 

[ollieideal]

ds i didnt know u were so fucked on it i didnt know it was dangerous, the stuff i had did give me an insight into how addictive it is but its like gas in a way when i taste it so full of bad chems, fuck im glad ,i aint gonna do it again, hang in there dan also i got some things that will help wit ur detox if u want em , come round very stealthily an u can have em they will help these tablets

 

[Treacle]

think im at the worst now, i had to use some yesterday and ive tipped away the rest, fuck that stuff, extremely anxious, shakey, feel horrible tingling all over my body esp my head (is this normal), feel tensed up, tight next, high heart rate. eurgh, if i just cold turkey now how long can i expect it to lastt?

It won't get worse. The day after today (xmas day), you might even force down some grub with the assistance of a few beers. It feels like a lifetime, but I promise that it's almost gone within 3-5 days. Day three was always a turning point for me, in that I could leave the house and actually be me, without the deathly feeling. Again, good luck.

 

[bignbrown]

thanks for advice mate, flushed the remaining 20ml or so as i kept making excuses for 'one last dose' etc, best to just not have it around.

 

[Ruffchuck]

SWIM seemed to be ok when using GBL intermittently but had an in flux of stressful family Xmas situations and was using it more frequently, 1.5 - 2ml every few hours for about 11 - 12 days. But SWIM was getting less effect and just crashing, so used legitimately prescribed methylphenidate 20mg to try and stop the coma crash but keep the buzz. Not having done this on a daily basis SWIM has quickly got into a sticky situation and as SWIM already suffers with anxiety the rebounds not experienced before have come as a shock to SWIM these past couple of days and are VERY scary this morning. SWIM was going to jack it in in safe alone home comfort as soon as family had left, but family have extended their stay so SWIM is now stressing majorly that rather than wait for them to leave SWIM will have to come up with an alternative regime so that SWIM can get off it with minimal symptoms. SWIM is lucky to have a stash of 10MG valium, high strength vit B complex and multi vits as well as 5-HTP 50mg which SWIM takes morning and night.

Can anyone sugest a taper routine subbing the GBL for valium and supplimenting with the vit b complex (currently on 3 per day) SWIM intends to skip the methylphenidate meds prescribed for SWIM which SWIM anticipates will exacerbate the jitters, shakes and nausea. Most problematic is the irrational fear,panic and anxiety, but SWIM who is usually a lightweight on valium (having used to detox from alcohol at times in past) has been amazed at the massive tolerance to valium that GBL has affected. SWIM would be asleep on 5mg for ages, now as a 1st does SWIM dropped 10mg which has only minimally taken a slight edge of the panic.

If anyone has any friends that have experienced a similar set of circumstances that could suggest a routine to mellow SWIM out but not make SWIm very sleepy (as family suspicious) then SWIM would be very grateful.

Had GBL not been banned, maybe SWIM wouldn't have panic bought and foolishly over used, but SWIM is now very wary indeed of regular dosing. Something that wouldn't have happened if SWIM hadn't have had the family from hell staying all over Christmas. SWIM had prviously just dabbled here and there and never every day as SWIM preferred it to alcohol which SWIM does NOT want to use as the W/D's are almost identical to this.

SWIM took 10mg of valium 40 mins ago, which has helped but only a bit, SWIM is not a regular user of valium, but the other night took 10mg with minimal effect on sleep so then 5mg (same) and a coupleof hours later another 5 mg and still only managed 2-3 hours 'not really proper' sleep.

SWIM does not want to use GBL to taper preferring the diazepam instead.

Thank you oh great ones. Hopefully some of the more enlightened amongst you can help SWIM out, SWIM has tried to read through as much of the advice already online and cross reference it to what SWIM has in cupboards already, but SWIM is shaking trying to type and finding the rising panic hard to blot out in order to jump through many different threads for information.

ETA: Would I get benefit from l-tyrosine. I am trying to remember dopamine and it's relation to ADD, but am not in a fit state to research it at present, and in fact would find it hard to even go out and get today, but was thinking online ordering with next day delivery. Can some of the more up to date chemically enlightened pass on anything that could advise please. Thanks again.

 

[Shambles]

No SWIMming here, please. The public baths are that way

I'd definitely skip the MPH - sounds like a disaster waiting to happen. Tapering with GBL is a bit hit and miss. Some can do it, others can't. Personally, I can cut down rapidly or even stop dead with few problems but seem to be lucky in that respect. There are a few methods some folks swear by both here and in the main GBL Megathread.

Various combinations of booze and benzos (obviously comes with all the risks of both drugs) seems to work for some, although neither booze nor benzos work on the same receptor so others find them of limited use. Phenibut is another option - cheap, legal and widely available online. A rapid taper is best with the latter method as it has some pretty horrific withdrawals itself apparently

Sure some of our other habitual GBL and ex-habitual GBL users will be able to give you some good tips so I'll just wish you all the best and promise you it does get better

 

[Ruffchuck]

Thanks Shambles. L-Tyrosine is available locally, it's weighing the pros and cons of will it make a difference and is it worth the stress of 'my friend' having to go into the outside world to walk to get it. The health food shop here seems to have everything so when I ring back to check what strength they have of the L tyrosine is it worth me asking if they have Phenibut? Also if I ask them are they likely to know why it might be needed? It's just that I use them all teh time for other health foods etc so kinda want to maintain some privacy and would hate for them to jump to the conclusion that al of this stuff is for me

 

[Shambles]

Phenibut is used as a nootropic and "health supplement" but I'm not sure if it's sold in health food shops. GHB/GBL was also sold as a health supplement and was available in health food shops briefly, I believe. My how things change 8)

We can't discuss sources on BL but it's not exactly hard to come by. Have never used it myself but others here have who will undoubtedly have better info on availability (although not to the point of telling you where cos even sources for legal drugs are not allowed).

Have never used L-Tyrosine either and don't think I've heard of that one being used for GBL withdrawals. I'm sure somebody else will know better than I on that one too

 

[Ruffchuck]

Thanks again Shambles L-Tyrosine is available locally however with mulitvits, high strength B vits (incl thiamin) and 50 mg of L-5HTP and 10mg of valium there's been a great improvement in the hour that has passed so rather than introduce anything new maybe it would be a good plan to continue with this regime and keep other BL's informed of the outcome; Poss requesting more info as and when if necessary.

Good luck to all those who know people going through similar

 

[Shambles]

B vitamins (I actually just use a cheapo multivit) really do help a lot. If you're doing okay on your current regime then I'd agree it's probably best not to chuck another GABA-basher in the mix. Especially one that's also potentially addictive and has it's own withdrawal issues.

Do please keep us updated - plenty here have gone through it (more so than lucky ol' me) and there's always someone about to offer any support they can. That person isn't always me either

 

[Ruffchuck]

Hi again, well the regime I started worked very quickly with the aid of valium as well. I think a lot of the edgy and nasty feelings were due to the prescription MPH. To be honest I agree with what everyone else has said that whilst you still have it in your house, the temptation is always there to have a little dabble. Hence I dabbled again pretty quickly. What I have found is that I no longer get the nice feelings initially associated with it, they are negligible and any redosing result in basic semi conciousness or unconciousness. Hardly worth it at all and I have bucket loads of the stuff still here.

I am going to stop messing about for now as I have become pretty depressed and fucked up recently and I can't afford to do this so I have even stopped my prescription meds opting for herbal alternatives as I feel like my mental fragility needs to be nurtured as I have little outside support having moved recently and no real family to speak of.

Just want to get back on track really, and although used wisely GBL & GHB can be good fun, I maybe have to accept that I am not one of the wise and with my additional diagnosed conditions am hindering my own personal happness............at least for now. Maybe when I have built up a support network and become less isolated I will change my perspective.

Appreciate the support here tho everyone - cheers for the input.

 

[brokenbrain]

Apart from the BUCKETS OF THE STUFF that you have, you sound too much like me.

You know full well EVERYONE apart from good old Shambo would be saying heave out the rest of it.....


To others in need

 

[SnrG]

Out of Detox

I just got out of detox unit yesterday, after a fifteen day stay to detox from gbl.

I'll post later on the experience, but it was rough, as I'd shot myself in both feet by mentioning some cardiac problems that meant the docs wouldn't give me any benzos, and were clueless on gbl, and wouldnt give me baclofen or pregabelin.

As it was a locked ward, I was basically fucked, but surrounded by helpful peers doing their own detoxs from opiates and benzos - they helped much more than the nurses and doctors.