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The GHB/GBL Addiction & Withdrawal Thread: mk. II

I couldn't run a mile and a half :) Nice one. Exercise helped me a lot in kicking a booze problem, as I found it helped with the cravings. It doesn't do the same for me for G, but anything you can do to burn up the excess energy and feel better is a good thing.

I feel like shit today. I'm pretty sure I'm actually ill though, not just suffering G related stuff. Think my general health and ability to fight disease has gone downhill with sustained G use. Or cause-and-effect the other way up -- I've got a good reason to be unhappy at the moment and I think it's just all wearing me down, and making me even more inclined to seek chemical escape. I hate having days off sick when I'm not sure if it's real sick or drug sick. :(
 
WithMyLife said:
It sounds like a good plan, roganjosh. If you can get through the night without it, see if you can declare it off limits for a few hours when you wake up, or for as long as you can manage. I find it helps to avoid the shit feeling if you can just declare some of the times off limits. It doesn't sound to me like you've got a particularly heavy habit, so hopefully you should be able to stop without too much pain. As Shambles said, it seems to vary a lot and some people definitely suffer absolutely hellish WDs.

An update on me: I've completely correlated the bad sweating shaking BADness to times when I've drunk a lot of alcohol, then taken a lot of G to ease the hangover. I think the increased G use combined with the hangover was leading to the 4 or so days of feeling like absolute shit.

In some ways my G use is getting worse. I've taken it in the mornings before work this week, which is a bad thing. In other ways... I get through 9 hours of work after that morning dose without too much trouble. I feel rough before/after lunch, but generally feel alright towards the end of the day. So the withdrawal/craving aspect isn't as bad as it was when I first bumped this thread. I've eased up on the weekend use considerably, which has helped avoid wds.

I still feel like something has to give at some point, and I'm not sure what it'll be. I'm really really ashamed of my use, but I don't feel bad enough about it to stop. It's not a nice place to be but it's tolerable. I don't know where to go from here -- perhaps when this bottle starts to run out I'll try to ease off it and not replace it. It'll last a while though -- I wrote down my doses tonight and have had only 5ml this evening (plus about 1.5ml this morning). I thought it'd be a lot more than that.
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You're taking G in the mornings before work then proceed to bosh 5ml in the evenings but you don't feel bad enough about it to stop, ..phew, okay---if I were you then I wouldn't worry about the physical aspects of the WDs so much. They are very unpleasant... but pronounced, temporary, and easily treated or covered up.


Shambles said:

Some would say tip the rest you have. I wouldn't necessarily cos it seems you're more concerned about potential for alcohol use.
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I'd disagree with that. I'd advise you to use benzos instead of G if you want to do some kind of "GABA replacement therapy" but even that is risky. In your case I'd definitely say flush the G.
 
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lurching said:
use benzos instead of G
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Not a chance in hell.

You're taking G in the mornings before work then proceed to bosh 5ml in the evenings but you don't feel bad enough about it to stop, ..phew, okay
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:( Yeh, it's bad, I know. I would tip it away but I just know that I'll replace it with something worse. I don't know what to do :'(
 
I fell into grim GHB addiction after quitting the drink. Got pretty bad in the end, and after tearing myself away from the G I used another drug to stay off of it & to ward off the GABA cravings: pregabalin/Lyrica.
 
Excellent news, Ms Life :)

Obviously using any drug daily is less than desirable. However, there are degrees of undesirability. And 3ml of geebee of an eve is hardly the end of the world. Especially if you feel it's keeping you away from a far bigger booze problem. It sounds like you don't really have an issue with the physical w/d and is mainly a psychological issue. Not that one is greatly preferable to t'other but is definitely better not to have to worry about the physical stuff.

Don't go beating yourself up over such a small thing. You'll have no problem stopping the small evening tipple as and when the time comes <3
 
Thanks Shambles!!! Sorry for deleting my post and leaving yours on its own. I realised that I didn't feel strong enough to defend myself if called upon to do so.

I also realised that I was setting myself up for a shitty fall if I go straight back to heavier and heavier use and come crawling back in a few days time. Basically, I'm feeling really a lot more positive about it, but I think I should let some time pass before I go shouting it from the rooftops.

[edit] Definitely need to put this bit back from my deleted post: It has helped me a lot being able to post on here about it, thank you everyone who has replied, and thank you BL :)
 
Definitely worth a go, Yoyo. Was scripted it many years back for back pain but don't remember being particularly impressed with it for that. Was also on lotsa benzos at the time so probably wouldn't much have noticed the gabanergic effects. Have heard tell that it "should" be good for GBL w/d but don't remember actually seeing anybody say they've tried it yet.
 
Hello all. I have read many of the GHB/GBL threads on here, going back years, and I just want to start by thanking you! I do not exaggerate when I say that by giving this advice you are doing a great deal of good; the information on here is as ahead of its time as the medical services are behind when it comes to this drug, and I don't doubt that lives have been saved because of it.

Unfortunately this is the first time I personally have had to ask for advice on this front: I always told myself that I would never get addicted to a GABA agonist, and, well, here I am :-/

Actually I am very surprised that I am experiencing withdrawals.... I used GBL and GHB to ease withdrawal from a 4-year kratom habit (which it did, very effectively); I thought I was being quite cautious by making sure to have as much time on as off: I used 12 hours a day for 8 days. Granted my doses were pretty huge... I would estimate that I got through a bit less than 200ml of GBL in this time (the first 4 days taken straight; the next 4 as GHB). Average of 5 doses each day. Ironically, it was probably an oft-repeated bit of knowledge on this forum--that only 24/7 users experience withdrawals--that made me feel safe in using 12 hours/day. It is perhaps worth stressing that you definitely can develop a habit without dosing 24/7.

Compared to some of the horror stories I've read here I have got off pretty lightly, but it still is really not fun. My only real symptom of note is a vicious throbbing heartbeat, but this has led me to be awake for 3 days and nights now, and I think I'm gonna go insane if I don't get some sleep soon! Crazy to think this is the longest I've been up for, and it is for lack of drugs rather than abundance! Never thought I'd outdo my raving days. Also pretty sadly ironic that I prefer kratom withdrawals to this!

Anyway... I am looking for advice on, firstly, how much longer I can expect this to go on. Last large dose of GHB was 2 days ago; yesterday I took one small dose when it got unbearable. Also would be grateful for suggestions on OTC medications/supplements which may be effective in decreasing this fiendish banging in my chest and allowing me some kip. I would kill for some benzos right now, but that is not an option... I can only get what is legal in Italy. I have a vague idea that I will look out for B vitamins and sedative herbs like valerian, but would prefer something a bit more effective. Are there any GABA precursors/agonists which it is possible to buy in pharmacies/health stores? Or anything else that might help? Booze is all I currently have, and while it is a great help in calming me down, it does not quite get me to sleep, and my liver is beginning to feel a bit pickled. Any help will be massively welcomed!

SUMMARY: elevated pulse/BP and insomnia from 1 week of ~25ml/day GBL use; day 3 of no sleep; would like an idea of when I can expect it to end, and what OTC meds/supps might be useful.

Thanks!

(Edit: I speak only a piccolo Italiano, so going to a doctor and attempting to explain this is not an option!)
 
You're sleepless for 3 days so ordering something online probably isn't quick enough relief. You might score an antihistamine like promethazine OTC, those are quite effective sedatives/hypnotics.

A GP-type doctor (or the emergency room) could give you clonidine, that will take care of your palpitations and also sedate you. However... that's a problem because you don't speak enough Italian to communicate with them? :? :\

Baclofen and pregabalin may be useful for the rest of WD afterwards, either obtained thru a doc/addiction specialist or online, but it be better if you could do it without them obv.
 
Thanks... much appreciated. Marginally but noticeably better. Considered antihistamines, but thought I'd try the natural route first: got some preparation of melatonin/Passiflora/valerian/Californian poppy, took 6 times the recommended dose (should say I did check if this was safe first), and went to sleep for an hour. Woohoo!! :sus:

Will repeat as necessary. Think I may be on the home stretch. Really unpleasant... have even more sympathy for the poor folks who have been through so much worse now.

Would still be interested to know roughly how long G withdrawals last. Think the only solid figure I've seen was a post by Treacle where he mentioned a week in very bad cases. What about mild cases? Also... Is anyone aware of any actual hospitalisations from the nasty cardiac withdrawal symptoms? Eg heart attacks? Does not feel healthy at all.
 
Yes, as other with other GABA substance withdrawal (alcohol, benzos, phenibut) you can risk serious cardiovascular complications. What is your blood pressure doing, can you measure that? How is your cardio health normally? Are you sure you can't see a GP?

Length, similar to alcohol, for me, it now takes about a week for the worst physical stuff to start subsiding (which it does pretty quickly) but the mental stuff lasts longer.
 
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got to 5 hours w/o GBL, i have 10L+- so its fucking hard to "run out" only got 280mg of baclofen compared to the months worth i got given 880mg?


just thinking about using again until i can afford some etizolam or xanax powder ran out over last 2 days of xanax in PG would give me 4-5h sleep with say 2.5ml of gbl, it has become something way nasty
 
Consider using Phenibut to get off GBL. I don't see it mentioned in this thread, but it's a way to get off GBL. Mind you, it's still a B-receptor GABA-ergic so you can just end up hooked on it instead, but if you are capable of tapering, it's worth a shot. I am personally incapable of using any GABA-ergic in a responsible matter so I avoid them altogether. Something to consider, and it's readily available on the giant river in Brazil ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenibut
 
lurching said:
Yes, as other with other GABA substance withdrawal (alcohol, benzos, phenibut) you can risk serious cardiovascular complications. What is your blood pressure doing, can you measure that? How is your cardio health normally? Are you sure you can't see a GP?

Length, similar to alcohol, for me, it now takes about a week for the worst physical stuff to start subsiding (which it does pretty quickly) but the mental stuff lasts longer.
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Again, I am much indebted for your advice lurching. I only wish I had followed it before. Yes, I'm sure I could have found an English-speaking doctor.... my sleep deprivation made this seem like an impossible task.

Been going through hell. Writing up my experience in the hope that it will stop others making the same mistakes.

So I clearly didn't check well enough about those "harmless" herbal sleeping pills. Apparently poisoned myself on one or other ingredient... had to get myself to ER in a world of pain. Thankfully it suddenly ceased just as I got there. So, utterly dog-tired, I drag myself back. Only to realise that consuming so much Californian poppy (I can only guess this is what it is) has just precipated a replay of kratom withdrawals. Only different... weird somehow.

So essentially I was/am suffering simultaneously from withdrawals from GHB and kratom, hungover from all te alcohol, crappy from the herbs, utterly sleep-deprived....simultaneously. As far as physical well-being is concerned, this is undoubtedly the worst week of my life. Now it IS far too complicated to even think about trying to tell a doctor. And anyway I absolutely do not have the energy to get there. It is as much as I can do to feed myself.

Lessons to learn:

1. Don't attempt to mask withdrawals from one drug with another which gives far worse withdrawals
2. Don't take far more than the recommended dose of anything, even if it is apparently "harmless" herbs (note: valerian is in fact a GABA agonist. Californian poppy clearly has some closely related chemical to opium in it. Etc)
3. If you suspect you should possibly see a doctor, go straight away

Feel like some cosmic joke is being played on me! At least I have managed to stop myself dosing more GHB. Please please please let me sleep soon.......

Heart/BP is steadily getting better. Slowly. Just have to wait it out, and continue cursing the street urchin who stole my bag with my Valium in it.....
 
junglejuice said:
Consider using Phenibut to get off GBL. I don't see it mentioned in this thread, but it's a way to get off GBL. Mind you, it's still a B-receptor GABA-ergic so you can just end up hooked on it instead, but if you are capable of tapering, it's worth a shot. I am personally incapable of using any GABA-ergic in a responsible matter so I avoid them altogether. Something to consider, and it's readily available on the giant river in Brazil ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phenibut
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This is also very good advice. If I wasn't living in a campervan I would order some post-haste.
 
Ah the trials and tribulations of campervan life, are you working? I used to get all manner of things delivered to the office, which made for interesting conversation when my motorbike trailer arrived in the car park. I'm trying to remember if I ever ordered RCs to work, I don't think I ever did. I should have though, it would have gone unnoticed amongst the regular amazon and snus parcels and kept me more chipper than my daily cider, wine, whisky and ale diet.

Of course, you could rent a mailbox or get a friend to receive stuff, and in fact I wouldn't have any compunction about receiving Phenibut at a place of work, it's a "dietary supplement" :)

Are you on a camp-site or at the side of the road? Or maybe the corner of a field or someone's back garden? I'm sure whoever owns the land could be drafted in for mule duty.
 
GBL eats through most plastic right? Would it dissolve glass bottles or owt like leaak cause its corrosive? id imagine not buy you guys aqte the experts
 
No it won't do anything to glass. Nothing (that I know of) does anything to glass.

And it clearly does nothing to polythene, cos it's in a polythene bottle.


ALSO I have yet to see it dissolve anything and I've been spilling it for months.
 
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