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As you should be lol

It whatevs, I'm (hopefully) not going to make a habit of it. Wouldn't even be able to get more unless I went to somewhere sketchy lmao. I actually traded trifluoromethylphenylpiperazine for it :!


Wish I could have just gotten MDMA, but ehhh... this aint a bad substitute for now.
 
Haha lol no bigs, I'm sure you're well informed and should stay the FUCK away from regular meth use lol.
In other news, my last mdma trip might have been fucking good for me. Month forward and I still can't stand the idea of rolling. I don't find myself craving alcohol at all. The most ammount I've drank the last couple of weeks is 5 beers in a night (It's usually around 15-20 when I go out). Basically the only kind of intoxication I've done is weed. :)
 
GOOD!

I consider meth and MDMA use to be about the same, but since MDMA works on Serotonin the eventual crash you get is like 5 times worse.... and meth + MDMA is like 20 times worse :\ Weed intoxication is a good thing though, I've started to cut back to an almost medical use of it

Still getting high of course...
 
Yeah, but doesn't weed have an effect on serotonin? I think I've read that somewhere and it sure feels like it. It's like an instant mood lift for me..
 
Ah yes. I'm beginning to like weed more and more lol. My first smoke of the day usually gives me anxiety for 20 minutes or so but it's totally worth the hours of smooth sailing after.
My tolerance also isn't increasing lol. A baggie worth 5 EU lasts me like a week lol.
 
It's $1,50 :) Yeah I put a tiny ammount in a joint and smoke half, then again an hour later. I've been doing this for months and it's still hitting me just as hard lol.
 
Yeah tolerance seems to level out after a while... its probably just your brain getting used to the "ritual" of it so to speak

Mine has stayed basically the same for like the last half year or some, one bowl has me "altered" but it takes at least .3-4 to get me "stoned"
 
Chesh said:
how much does it help you concentrate? im hopefully getting some for adhd next tuesday.
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I think ritalin would be the best for concentration, amphetamine causes too much euphoria to really calm you down for class/study... you'll concentrate, but on 100 small tasks rather than the large one at hand. With ritalin, it really actually calms you down and clears your mind so you can focus. I spent like 4-5 hours basically scraping the ceiling (horrible work..) and almost had more fun doing that than I would have doing anything else.

Also I wrote that long ass thread about the Vagus Nerve and MDMA, did my homework and still had time left in the day for other things
 
Folley said:
GOOD!

I consider meth and MDMA use to be about the same,
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Im dying to hear more... please elaborate.

but since MDMA works on Serotonin the eventual crash you get is like 5 times worse.... and meth + MDMA is like 20 times worse
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I feel good post mdma... unless ive taken too much... amphetamines kinda ruin me for 2 or 3 days after... even a small amount...

Maybe you should take a longer break...
 
People don't eat or sleep on meth, that with dehydration and all the extra calories burned from running around is going to drain you a LOT. Which is why you practice harm reduction and try to force yourself to eat and sleep.

Also, redosing is a lot more common with meth, as people will keep doing it all day long.


Now after MDMA, I feel tired, "drained" so to speak. Usually I'll be a bit more down that usual, but its not too bad at all anymore. It's the same way when you do speed after a long break though, at least it is for me when I dose responsibly, replenish my nutrients and force myself to sleep at night.


Over use of either, and I'll get a horrible comedown. Its always much worse with MDMA, my bipolar gets crazy and I get completely depressed. Meth just makes me feel like a worthless human being... with a tendency to get angry




Meth and MDMA are both relatively safe with long breaks, but if your dosing every week, or even every month, I feel meth use would be safer. But you have to be extremely responsible....
 
^^Yeah MDMA comedowns dont even scratch the surface of an amp comedown for me. MDMA considering the ammount is reasonable causes a good afterglow the day after, the day after that can be a bit blue but other then that it's nothing :d
edit: What do you think about low doses of amp folly? Where do they rank in toxicity, I never hear anything about that. I'm thinking of taking small doses to enhance raves instead of mdma.
Maybe tiny ammounts to help with add once in awhile
 
Darksidesam said:
Alo freehugs,

I been better, seen divorce papers come through finally, that sucks i might have to pay for it.
not been to a rave for ages, suffering really badly from S.A.D atm.

Shitty weather, where is the sunshine lol i want some Papaver Rhoeas too!

How have you been yourself?
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It finally warmed up over here im stoked :D But yeah I've been great. Got a full time job working this summer, plus I'm working on my buddies' medical garden which is by far the greatest work I have ever done in my life. And you should check out this song I made!
http://soundcloud.com/kasura/basserz
 
The thing about an MDMA "comedown" though, is that its builds up over time, and you can go for months without ever getting one, then one big night out and you realize you're fucked for the rest of your life.


A meth comedown is almost caused directly by the lack of food, your body is burning off tons of calories, and you dont supplement it at all. The next day your body is completely running on empty, and that with a lack of sleep is going to make you feel like absolute SHIT, speed or not.





Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to make meth look any better than it is, because its a horrible drug that ruins lives, but to think that MDMA isn't on the same exact level is foolish... the two chemicals are so similar you cant write one without including the other.

Not to mention, oral methamphetamine was recently proven in a study to feel very similar to MDMA, and I'm sure we all know snorted MDMA feels a lot more like meth...
 
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I honestly dont think it is on the same level... if you use it for a week or two straoght it doesnt do anything... that doesnt happen withmeh... ppl build tolerance, but nothing higher dosing wont overcome.... thats why theres so many ppl addicted to amps and so few to mdxx drugs...

Ppl that overuse ecstasy get burnt out on it and quit... ppl hat overuse meth become highly dependent and addicted because ot doesnt stop working after a week of constant use
 
So you're telling me if you used meth for a week straight, and MDMA for a week straight, constantly re-dosing, and taking more and more to account for tolerance, that meth is worse?

I'm not talking about addiction, meth works directly on the brain's reward center, of course it's going to be much more addictive. That's why I say with EXTREMELY responsible use. That means one dose, and calling it quits after that.

You cant compare using meth for a week straight to dosing one 150mg bomb of MDMA, that's like saying crack is worse for you than coke, if you're doing 3.5gs of coke at a time and only a point or two of crack... It all depends on the level of usage.



For weekly dosers of MDMA, I would highly recommend orally taking meth instead. It gives the same type of social openness and euphoria that we all love.... but the occasional 1-3 month roller? Hell no
 
always the same in here, meth talk just explodes.

Freehugs ill try and remember to look at that tommorrow, then i can crank it up (Dogs broke my headphones)
But maybe these guys on here will post loads and ill forget
 
Folley said:
So you're telling me if you used meth for a week straight, and MDMA for a week straight, constantly re-dosing, and taking more and more to account for tolerance, that meth is worse?
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Yes thats exactly what im saying.... if you used mdma for a week straight, youd get no effect and have no desire to take more... meth... people take that for years and decades and it still works... and they still want more... so yes its much worse...
 
Darksidesam said:
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Me too!!!

To be fair, I'm not just talking about meth lol... I'm showing its similarities to MDMA. Something, that to me, shows exactly why MDMA needs to be used responsibly... You can expect a lot of the same damages that meth users get, but to your serotonin system instead... and correct me if I'm wrong, but serotonin is more important that dopamine, so long-term damage to serotonin is worse than damage to dopamine


Chemically Insane said:
Yes thats exactly what im saying.... if you used mdma for a week straight, youd get no effect and have no desire to take more... meth... people take that for years and decades and it still works... and they still want more... so yes its much worse...
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UHHHH, no effect? Other than completely destroying your serotonin system you mean... people still can get high from MDMA after a week, you just have to dose enough. At that point, it would probably feel hardly any different from meth though.

Again, if you use MDMA RESPONSIBLY than your fine. But if your OVER USING, weekly, or even bi-weekly, meth is a much safer option IMO, if your using it at the same rate you took MDMA at.
 
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