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Benzos The Big Phenazepam Throw Together Pt. I

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daddysgone said:
Am I correct that it seems to be about half the strength of alpraz?-DG
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Yeah, from most suppliers I've heard about, the potency of the stuff has been about 2:1 to alprazolam, I'd say... Some of though was unfortunately cut to below this amount and would require more, from a more unscrupulous dealer, perhaps...
 
I felt like mine was at least 1:1 with alprazolam, maybe it has been cut...I'm noticing my new batch is much harder to dissolve in alcohol; maybe it is the impurities?
 
DexterMeth said:
I need to stock up on this stuff before a bunch of wreckless kids ruin it for us.
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It's not going anywhere, IMO. It would require a complete rewrite of the Analog Act to encompass all controlled substances, not just Schedules 1 and 2.

My greater concern is people who eyeball the dose and the fact that it is easily the most amnesic benzodiazepine I have ever taken. I have observed this effect on others as well. I sound totally redundant at this point, but it is so important to know the potency of this one and dose it very carefully. It is probably reaching the popularity level that could lead to unscrupulous dealers cutting it with heaven-knows-what.

I don't use phenazepam anymore as it's just too amnesic; I'm on my Rx Valium (5 mg daily) and 1 mg Xanax PRN. I trust my source tremendously and know that the batches I got were of a very high purity, as my source has access to GC/MS equipment and is quite safety-conscious about this sort of thing.

This goes without saying, I hope, but phenaz and driving don't mix. I can see it slowing reaction time, impairing motor coordination, and when mixed with alcohol or other downers/opiates, it is just an accident waiting to happen.
 
^they don't have to rewrite the FAA, just schedule phenazepam... And if its problematic enough they could emergency schedule like with mdma and some psychs.
 
^ that did suck; methamphetamine causes brain damage --> emergency schedule MDMA --> ricaurte becomes infamous on bl

this amount of powder is so small. if i measure (by volume, i have a small lab cylinder) a few mg's, could i just put them under my tongue since the amount would be so small? would i be able to drop it into a glass of water and just down it? or do you have to do the dissolve techniques discussed?
 
Very nice substance I had it on blotter paper, much smoother and less foggy than Valium. Would reccomend it. Doesn't leave you feeling monged out in the morning. Be careful though it lasts roughly the same time as diazepam so watch with the dosage. My favourite benzo by a long stretch. Watch with eyeballing the powder though(same as any pharm grade benzo powder). It's available in Russia OTC I think, I managed to get hold of dome tabs of it very easily. Lovely downer.
 
could i mix 200mg phenaz with 19800mg (19.8g) sugar... mix well... then each 0.1g of powder would have 1mg of phenaz? this seems simple enough but i've never seen it reccomended
 
^ there would be no way to tell if it was distributed evenly throughout the mixture.. you could try it, but my guess would be that it wont work correctly.. one scoop you can can .1mg and the next .3mg so really the only way to do it is mix it with something it is soluble in like PG to be sure it is evenly spread throughout the substance,
 
qwe said:
^ that did suck; methamphetamine causes brain damage --> emergency schedule MDMA --> ricaurte becomes infamous on bl

this amount of powder is so small. if i measure (by volume, i have a small lab cylinder) a few mg's, could i just put them under my tongue since the amount would be so small? would i be able to drop it into a glass of water and just down it? or do you have to do the dissolve techniques discussed?
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Yeah, absolutely. The problem is, the powder won't have mixed with whatever liquid you're thinking of using (Water, I presume...)
 
qwe said:
could i mix 200mg phenaz with 19800mg (19.8g) sugar... mix well... then each 0.1g of powder would have 1mg of phenaz? this seems simple enough but i've never seen it reccomended
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No, the particle sizes are totally different... Mixing powders to a uniform state takes a proper procedure.
 
ive been taking larger and larger amounts (of teeny tiny piles) to see what may bring an effect similar to 1mg xanax

i slightly feel it so far (no sedation yet; just some muscle calmness). i started with a speck smaller than fine dust (eyeball dosing is said to be risky; well not too risky if you start THAT low :P). then i took a few more specs, then a tiny pile, then a slightly larger pile. 30-60m between doses

it's not doing as much as i thought for what is supposed to be pure benzo powder. perhaps it is diluted. the price was low

right now i'm on pile 4 (pile = 2x2mm, sorry for the crude measurements)

also... ordering .001 scale :P
 
^I found that getting a DRY metal/ smooth plastic pick (like one on a fork, or a plastic toothpick even) and dipping the tip into the phenazepam and only taking the residual dust on the very tip was a good way to measure out really small amounts. Much better than any attempt at eyeballing.
 
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yeah, sticking a needle or such in might not get much at all because it might be weak powder

however, i do have some tolerance

i feel it now, after the fourth "pile". guestimate of mg would be anywhere from 1 to 6. just a buzz so far, no high
 
there are basically 2 main sites for ordering this stuff. i think everyone has noticed that one of them has gotten WAY cheaper. it follows that there is a flood of people commenting on how their stuff doesnt seem as strong as before. it is not a coincidence. i was talking to someone about this and beyond pure profit that one attains from adulterating a product i really think this was an effort to mitigate the hordes or retarded teenagers that were ODing from this stuff from eyeballing such a pure powder. i mean, have you heard of anyone driving their car into the subway terminal since the stuff has been much weaker? it is harm reduction is a very skewed sense. i think the vendors realized that most people are way too lazy to get an mg scale or do volumetric measurments so this is the best solution.
 
^Makes sense. I'm sure a few vendors will still sell the 99% pure stuff, though...

The stuff that I know of that definitely has been cut apparently was cut to around 60-70% pure for the most part, so keep that in mind if yours is weaker than you were expecting...
 
the new prices totally reflect how much it has been cut. i think it makes it safer actually. its kind of annoying hearing people whine about it being weaker when they are paying half as much for it. the shit is already absurdly fucking cheap. this way you can actually do the dipnlick without forgetting 3 days.
 
^Man, if people would have just used volumetric measurements, which is not hard at all to do, everyone would be dealing in pure substances rather than an unknown amount that gives us limited information on the amount of drug that's actually being ingested. It's really unfortunate...
 
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Cane2theLeft said:
^they don't have to rewrite the FAA, just schedule phenazepam... And if its problematic enough they could emergency schedule like with mdma and some psychs.
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As benzodiazepines are CIV, the Analog Act does not apply to them. MDxx and most of the widely used psychs (LSD, psilocybin, etc.) are all Schedule I.

In theory, it could be made Rx only, but I've never heard of a doctor prescribing it in the US or Canada.

Qwe - it's a lot different from sugar in its texture. I don't think you could dose it accurately and if the powder were to accumulate in some particular place in the sugar, it'd be a potential OD situation. Really the safest and most reliable method, IMO, is to use USP/food grade propylene glycol. It is cheap and easy. I will post a source for it if the mods give the OK; it is a completely legal chemical used frequently in cosmetics.

When I used phenaz, I made a preparation of 100 mg phenaz mixed into 100 ml PEG and agitated it well in a small, non-reactive plastic bottle. I took a small eyedropper/infant syringe that had a capacity of 1 ml, very clearly marked, sucked up 1 ml of the solution and put it in a glass of soda and stirred. Subjectively, it did feel like 1 mg of Xanax, only more amnesic.

It really bugs me out to think about people not dosing phenaz in the manner I have outlined. As I no longer use it, I will ask a present user for their thoughts on whether the phenaz out there is being cut, and if so, with what.
 
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