Benzos The Big Phenazepam Throw Together Pt. I

[blazelate]

what dosage would be considered enjoyable for someone with a milid tolerance to benzos?

 

[Pegasus]

^I recommend to start at 1mg if you have experienced benzos before. If you're experienced with alprazolam, I'd say it's pretty close to the some strength (just longer lasting)...

 

[lazydullard]

I'd like to add it takes like 3 hours for it to peak 100%; be patient with your dosing. This stuff lasts two to three days, so remember that you're still intoxicated the next morning even if you don't feel it.

It does feel pretty similiar to xanax, yup. I miss phenazepam. But it's too dangerous for me to use.

 

[socio]

For the philosophers: If you have a euphoric buzz that lasts all day, but then you can't remember, did it really happen?

For the pragmatists: No, but the bad parts did (citations to appear before a judge, totalled car, angry romantic partners, friends who now treat you like a clown, herpes).

^ BTW, I agree: equivalent dosing to alprazolam, but less often. Risking repetitiveness, most subjective reports are of MORE amnesia at equivalent dosages than alprazolam or any other benzo, for that matter.

Also, everyone makes a big deal of the 60-hour half-life. (I'm not sure how strongly to believe that figure anyway, since this drug isn't all that well-researched.) And, yes, that's long...

But: (1) 1/2-life is not the same as onset/duration of action, which, AFAIK is much shorter as a rule; (2) many other commonly-used recreational benzos have long half-lives, in particular clonazepam, reportedly 18-50 hours, and diazepam with it's 20-100 hrs. (See wikipedia or just google "benzodiazepines half-life equivalent dosage" or some such.)

Besides poorly measured dosage, I think the main distinctive quality that people are recognizing as bad in phenazepam is the greater likelihood of amnesia. This side-effect is certainly variable across the benzo class, and AFAIK is unrelated to half-life (aside from duration of amnesia).

Even so, with some mis-steps here and there, and using great caution, I have found it useful as a "utility" drug (i.e. for its intended therapeutic purpose).

 

[daddysgone]

For the philosophers: If you have a euphoric buzz that lasts all day, but then you can't remember, did it really happen?

For the pragmatists: No, but the bad parts did (citations to appear before a judge, totalled car, angry romantic partners, friends who now treat you like a clown, herpes).

^ BTW, I agree: equivalent dosing to alprazolam, but less often. Risking repetitiveness, most subjective reports are of MORE amnesia at equivalent dosages than alprazolam or any other benzo, for that matter.

Also, everyone makes a big deal of the 60-hour half-life. (I'm not sure how strongly to believe that figure anyway, since this drug isn't all that well-researched.) And, yes, that's long...

But: (1) 1/2-life is not the same as onset/duration of action, which, AFAIK is much shorter as a rule; (2) many other commonly-used recreational benzos have long half-lives, in particular clonazepam, reportedly 18-50 hours, and diazepam with it's 20-100 hrs. (See wikipedia or just google "benzodiazepines half-life equivalent dosage" or some such.)

Besides poorly measured dosage, I think the main distinctive quality that people are recognizing as bad in phenazepam is the greater likelihood of amnesia. This side-effect is certainly variable across the benzo class, and AFAIK is unrelated to half-life (aside from duration of amnesia).

Even so, with some mis-steps here and there, and using great caution, I have found it useful as a "utility" drug (i.e. for its intended therapeutic purpose).

great post.
Im glad someone brought up the distinction between half-life vs. duration of action. -DG

 

[lazydullard]

^i agree. good post.

I've blacked out for an entire week without noticing on daily doses of 1.0 to 2.5mg of phenazepam. Dosing 1.5mg or above will prevent me from retaining any memories for 8-12 hours. I acted completely normal except I had no memories beyond the last 20 minutes. I only realized I was in a blackout when I read my own journal out of idleness.

The duration of action is at least 36 hours. I sincerely feel that it's as high as 48 hours.

Definitely a wonderful utility drug; it helped me quit alcohol. -Cures- social anxiety. Decently recreational but it doesn't mix well with opiates (imo). I'm not saying this is a bad drug; just emphasizing caution. It's simply too potent for me to use responsibly.

 

[socio]

I've blacked out for an entire week without noticing...Definitely a wonderful utility drug; it helped me quit alcohol. -Cures- social anxiety. Decently recreational ... I'm not saying this is a bad drug... simply too potent for me to use responsibly.

I'm in agreement with lazydullard on the above points. Also had quite long periods of blackout without realizing it. Looking back, I can see that I also experienced a severe rash of typos during that time, meaning I was probably less mentally-coordinated than I believed.

Persistent abuser of anxiolytics that I am, though, I kept practicing until I could manage (but not quite cure) anxiety without causing too much amnesia.

I've had about 2-3 months of experience with phenazepam, with a month-long- & a couple week-long-breaks in the middle (during which time I was fortunate enough to have access to either 4-6mgs of clonazepam or alprazolam, or 40-60mgs of diazepam or zolpidem instead, with markedly less amnesia and damage to my spelling, work performance, and life overall).

The line is just so thin, especially for daily dosing. I had to stick to a strict schedule of dosing an exact amount at exact times (finally I settled on 2mg every morning at precisely 6am; and, for a time, 3mg every 36 hrs, 6am or 6pm). This didn't solve the "self-control"/responsibility problem of wanting to re-dose throughout the day, so I would still have occasional "blips." (My made-up term for benzo blackouts less than 24 hours long AND less than 100% empty--in other words, short clips of life that I wish I could've kept.)

Certainly my least-favored of the "benzoids" (my made-up term for benzos plus the non-benzo-but-benzo-like z-drugs; kinda like "opiates" vs. "opioids"). I would choose Ambien/zolpidem for anxiety and utility before phenaze. To avoid blacking out on phenazepam I had/have to be willing to accept some degree of anxiety, which is tough when you can order pounds of pure powder practically for free.

But, limited options lead to tough choices...

 

[Bob Loblaw]

I'm so glad retail price has caught up to wholesale . I'm also excited to be trying this soon.

 

[socio]

Has anyone gotten the impression that some phenazepam research samples have gotten to be of lower quality over time? I'm not certain of this and I don't want to knock any sources with supposition or start any rumors -- so no one spread the rumor without corroboration (that could be dangerous in itself, leading to people upping their dose on spec) -- just an impression I had that it might've gotten progressivley diluted after my first order... Maybe it's just tolerance, that's what I thought at first, but I've just taken a week off of all benzos (2-4mgs of clonazepam was doing me good), and restarted it... I just want to know if anyone else had this impression, because I would likely quit taking such a powerful drug if actually concluded that the quality was variable.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

^ i noticed one source that went wayy down in quality..

 

[Iodjini_dk]

Do you guys know about the solubility of phenazepam in propylene glycol?

How much have you managed to dissolve in a relatively small volume?

 

[socio]

Do you guys know about the solubility of phenazepam in propylene glycol?

How much have you managed to dissolve in a relatively small volume?

100mg (supposedly) in 10ml of 70% rubbing alcohol. Meaning 0.1 cc shoulda been 1mg.

That's more highly soluble that one would expect (even taking into account repeated heating/agitation)--one more reason to think potency is dropping in my product.

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

with all this being said about either tolerance going up or quality of product going down.. i decided to test what i had left of phenazepam from the source that i believe the quality is going down... a little background first- I started off on 2-3mg but ended up 10-20mg thats when i got pissed off and told my dr what i had been taken and he put me on 30mg valium a day and that held me! so that means out of that 10-20mg i was taking it felt as i took 5mg. and i was really close as the diazepam dosage proved. So back to the experiment. Benzos (most of them) are not water soluble. so.. i took what i had of phenazepam about 200mg (i weighed it with my scale) that i was saving for whatever reason and took a small glass and filled it half way with water. Now if a distributor was going to cut phenazepam you would think they would be smart enough to use something thats NOT water soluble just like the phenazepam, not the case. This distributor used a cut that WAS water soluble. I stirred the water and phenazepam and everything that stayed on top and wouldn't combine with the water was phenazepam everything else that turned the water milkey was cut so i spooned off the phenazepam off the top and put it on a plate to let dry then scraped up the powder off the plate.. i was left with a little under 100mg! i might have lost some in the process, but that's about HALF that was cut.. believe me or not. but i suggest if you think your product is being cut, do what i did. maybe you'll find out if it's cut or not.

AND NO I WONT TELL ANYONE THE SOURCE SO DON'T ASK or PM ME.. thanks.. but this just concludes that SOME not all sources are stupid and cutting with water soluble cuts.

 

[socio]

Thanks H-dub for doing that experiment. Conclusion: It's cut AT LEAT 50%. Perhaps they also added non-water soluble cuts as well, because subjectively, I'd say it's cut even more than that [edit: from my source], but I could be wrong.
Again, thanks for posting that. I thought my phenaz dissolved too easily in 70% isopropyl/30% water.
Would suggest a water "wash" first, but that still might not get out non-water soluble cut...
Good post

 

[QuasiStoned]

Jesus I can't imagine why anyone would cut this stuff, I mean it's not like they can't make money off of it, it's already dirt cheap. I wonder if they are doing it to reduce the chances of blackouts or something?

And let me guess, the vendor that cut their product probably guarantees 99% purity 8)

 

[HdoubleODeezy]

Jesus I can't imagine why anyone would cut this stuff, I mean it's not like they can't make money off of it, it's already dirt cheap. I wonder if they are doing it to reduce the chances of blackouts or something?

And let me guess, the vendor that cut their product probably guarantees 99% purity 8)

yeah they do 8)

 

[Iodjini_dk]

Maybe their chemist is just a fucking amateur. That seems more likely to me.

 

[Volcano]

The duration of action is at least 36 hours. I sincerely feel that it's as high as 48 hours.

I got some of the fake GG249 bars with this drug in them and I took 2 them. Normally on 4mg alp I'd wake up the next morning kinda foggy but it would burn off in a couple of hours.

However much was in the "2 fake bars" had me in a FOG for four days. On the third day I felt "man I'm out of the woods, feel so much better now that it's over" but I THOUGHT that was baseline. On the fourth day I woke up like "WHAT THE FUCK JUST HAPPENED FOR 4 DAYS"

 

[Volcano]

And let me guess, the vendor that cut their product probably guarantees 99% purity 8)

Is that the so called "wholesale vendor"?

I was order 0001 (I can prove this with a screen shot of the order) as soon as they launched their website. I found them on some other site that a lot of people go to to buy and sell stuff and they listed their website name on that website so I ordered like LITERALLY the first day they were open.

It arrived in 2 or 3 days. I did NOT like the return address company name.

Anyhow, I had gotten the 10mg sample and I gave it to my friend who ate it all (I told him NOT to) and he had a similar result as I posted before. He works customer service and said he was a total ass to people for 3 days.

From you guys reports I would say that yes it's being diluted

 

[funkee]

Wow, this underground phen shit has gotten out of control. I remember finding phenazepam a few years ago with virtually no information to go on. Most of it was in Russian, because it is produced and sold in Russia. The pills were blank, no stamps and had dosages of either 0.5 or 1mg. It sucked and I didn't care much for it.