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Benzos The Big Phenazepam Throw Together Pt. I

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I have been dozing phenaz the past week. Don't remember much and I t pissed my gf offf and I get so pissed when I can't find shit and have felt restless unless I'm real. Stoned. Have been eyeballing lick and dip paperclip everry every other day. I don't find it mellowing, i feel crazy. I just want.to tell my doc. How I've been feeling I'm hoping help get me on some val. Should I mention the phenaz use? He's my psycyatric..
 
HdoubleODeezy said:
with all this being said about either tolerance going up or quality of product going down.. i decided to test what i had left of phenazepam from the source that i believe the quality is going down... a little background first- I started off on 2-3mg but ended up 10-20mg thats when i got pissed off and told my dr what i had been taken and he put me on 30mg valium a day and that held me! so that means out of that 10-20mg i was taking it felt as i took 5mg. and i was really close as the diazepam dosage proved. So back to the experiment. Benzos (most of them) are not water soluble. so.. i took what i had of phenazepam about 200mg (i weighed it with my scale) that i was saving for whatever reason and took a small glass and filled it half way with water. Now if a distributor was going to cut phenazepam you would think they would be smart enough to use something thats NOT water soluble just like the phenazepam, not the case. This distributor used a cut that WAS water soluble. I stirred the water and phenazepam and everything that stayed on top and wouldn't combine with the water was phenazepam everything else that turned the water milkey was cut so i spooned off the phenazepam off the top and put it on a plate to let dry then scraped up the powder off the plate.. i was left with a little under 100mg! i might have lost some in the process, but that's about HALF that was cut.. believe me or not. but i suggest if you think your product is being cut, do what i did. maybe you'll find out if it's cut or not.

AND NO I WONT TELL ANYONE THE SOURCE SO DON'T ASK or PM ME.. thanks.. but this just concludes that SOME not all sources are stupid and cutting with water soluble cuts.
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I am not disputing that batches of phenazepam may be cut or impure, however your experiment was far from precise or reliable. You say you simply spooned off the stuff that was floating at the top. Its entirely possible (likely) that a good deal of the phenazepam was floating around at deeper levels of the glass of water, or had settled to the bottom. There is absolutely no way of knowing how much phenaz may have remained in the glass after you spooned off the top, and therefore we cannot know how much cut (if any) was present.
Again, Im not disputing that there may be cuts present in some batches, Im just saying your method really does not prove the existence of these cuts.-DG
 
Just to comment on my most recent batch, it is most definitely active at 1mg. Any cut wold have to be the same particle size and super well distributed to avoid a Brazil nut-effect from changing the concentration throughout the powder. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it is unlikely for most vendors to go through all this trouble for such a questionable gain.
 
Hmm this sounds like somthing interesting to try out. What happens if you take a shit load? Benzo's actually get me really wired. Probably because i've been taking them for so long. But that's only if I take alot.

I'm guessing this stuff cant be that great.
 
ya as i was saying above... does anyone get real hyper and restless after taking ~1.5mg
not very sedaating to me either, just helps alot with anxiety (cause im hyperfelling on it), cant remeember much

oh and i dont find any euphoria unless im smoking mass amounts of weed all day, helps with the restlessness.
 
wanted to know if instead of something like Everclear ( 95% ) I can use 80% hard liquor ( highest legal amount where I come from ). will the phenazepam dissolve properly in that solution?


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also, with propylene glycol solutions, some people are saying you need to add benzyl alcohol if intending to store it for 'a long time'. well how long is 'a long time' and how much benzyl alcohol is necessary?
 
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the phenazepam will most likely dissolve in 80% alcohol if you add a little bit of heat to it if it won't readily dissolve on it's own.. and for the benzyl alcohol, all you need is about 1% of your entire solution and it will last for about a month maybe longer.. so for example if you use 30ml of propylene glycol and sterile water you need .3ml benzyl alcohol added to it so not a whole lot.
 
Iodjini_dk said:
Will phenazepam in propylene glycol degrade rapidly?
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Not if it's anything like diazepam. I read a study once that I am now denied access to that said that in good storage conditions, the total amount of diazepam degraded in a solution of propylene glycol and some alcohol (don't remember which), the total that had degraded over 10 years later was fairly small. Keeping out of light is the biggest concern for the stability of both the PG and the diazepam.
 
Can someone please tell me more about obtaining a uniform mixture of ethyl alcohol in my propylene glycol solution? I plan to make a solution that I can keep for maybe a year or longer, and I would like to add ethyl alcohol to help keep the propylene glycol from degrading... I just would like to know about how much to use and how to obtain a uniform mixture. Thanks ahead of time.
 
Ok, I pulled this from the Hospira brand injectable diazepam data sheet:


Code: 
Component/ Approximate Percent by Weight

Diazepam/            0.5 
Benzyl Alcohol/      1.5 
Propylene Glycol/    40 
Ethyl Alcohol/       10

Non-hazardous ingredients include water (48%, w/w). Five percent sodium benzoate 
and/or benzoic acid added as buffers to adjust the pH.

Okay, so this gives an approximate ratio of 4:1 for propylene glycol to ethyl alcohol in its solution, but also gives a small amount of benzyl alcohol as well... Water is approximately half of the solution as well, which is prudent information for the injectors...

So I'm thinking of just going with the 4:1 ratio of PG to ethyl alcohol if I were to do this...? I'm assuming that the two just mix to a solution, can anyone confirm this for me?
 
socio said:
For the philosophers: If you have a euphoric buzz that lasts all day, but then you can't remember, did it really happen?

For the pragmatists: No, but the bad parts did (citations to appear before a judge, totalled car, angry romantic partners, friends who now treat you like a clown, herpes).
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^HA HA spot on.

Me & benzos...dunno quite how to describe our relationship...abusive, damaging, but I still always go back to the bitch? Yep thats about it.

Years ago, used to get em off mates who were obviously fellating their doctors or something considering the amounts they were getting prescribed lol. More recently, online pharmacies....easy but NOT cheap (at least the decent ones). I'd binge on em, mixing with opiates booze cannabis blah blah. At one point (about 4 years ago) I was SERIOUSLY addicted to the fuckers and didn't even realise what the problem was ffs! Could have kicked the bucket I suppose, hooked on the two substances where withdrawal can kill..booze & benzo's..

These days the more educated & informed me (& thats a lot to do with sites like this one thnx bluelite) does benzos in a very controlled manner as a rule. However a month or so ago me ordered meself a gram of phenazepam. Eyeballed a 'dose' when it arrived. Result? 2 weeks or so of my life have simply 'gone', apart from little snippetts of memory, a shitload of unpaid credit card statements, a lost wallet containing cash driving licence credit cards etc, and a lot of 'anecdotes' from worried friends & family.

On one occasion I was apparently just dabbing the phenaz on a wet finger, after taking pods & mephedrone!:\I sort of remember that bit quite well...
 
stuckinaloop said:
this is prob a stupid question but...phenazepam is a benzo obviously right? so it would show as a benzo on a UA?
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Yes its a benzo.

This is probably a stupid question, but your question is drug testing question, right? So it would not be allowed on BL?;)
 
I dissolved 40 mg of phenazepam in 16 ml of isopropanol making 2,5 mg/ml.
Then I took the glass vial it was in and dunked it for a bit in heated water to get it to dissolve, not a big problem.

Then I made a bunch of blotters from rolling paper and dropped 0,4 ml on each (4 x 0,1 then letting it dry for a while). These papers were folded into '00' size capsules each to make 1 mg caps.

I did this on friday and held 0,4 ml aside and dropped it onto a bigger piece of rolling paper then put it on the radiator. This, I ate by taking half first then a quarter later and then another quarter, all within a time frame of a few hours or perhaps only an hour.

I felt hazy and a bit sedated for 3 days. Not euphoric, not as good as alprazolam or diazepam at all, but I guess good to have on stand by for situations like a fucked up hang over from a big party when I have 3 days to recover around the house and don't really care about a bland state. It wasn't hazy like smoking cannabis, it was hazy and bland like nothingness, very pure apathy.
There was more motor impairment than with other benzo's, less enjoyable effects and what seemed like an indication of the amnesic effects it can have. I slept fine on it but not like a baby.

I would be pretty wary of dosing over 1 mg in 3 days although I have to admit I took GHB in the latter 2 days of the 3. It did not seem that different potency wise or other but I did not take more than half a dose on day 2... on day 3 I took what I normally take. I have a lot of experience with GHB. Like redosing multiple times a day, many days in the last month. And plenty of experience before this month.

just fyi.

Phenazepam seems indeed a motherfucker to toy with. But it can be of some value if you treat it right, I figure.
 
I have gotten quite good results from it.

The Half-life of Phenazepam


I notice that the half-life figure that is commonly quoted (60 hours) is one study from 1982 that doesn't even give a range, while it does give a range for cats and dogs (I believe). This leads me to believe that 60 hours is certainly not the average half-life of phenazepam... From personal experience, I'd say it seems much closer to lorazepam or clonazepam in duration... I would like to find a newer study that doesn't reference this old 1982 study that, for all we know, could have been done on a severely ill 80-year old man...
 
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Good point, but lets also keep in mind that "half life" and "duration" are related, but are by no means the same thing.

People love to quote the absurdly long half-life of phenazepam, but it is not the case that the duration of action of phenazepam is as long as its half life.

There is no doubt that phenazepam is a long acting benzo, but at reasonable doses, people should not be feeling the effects for 3 days. Im certain that the people who report these 3 day long effects have unknowingly taken a massive dosage by "dipping a toothpick in", or some other sloppy measurement. I have no doubt that if someone took several hundred mg of something like diazepam, they would also experience the effects for several days.-DG
 
^I think we need a better number for the half-life, is the bottom line. The number we are quoting isn't even a range, it is the result from one individual from a study in 1982...
 
I'm willing to bet the extreme durations people are reporting have something to do with redosing during a blackout. There's been a lot of reports of people going on benders with this and waking up with no phenazepam left.
 
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