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Benzos The Big Phenazepam Throw Together Pt. I

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Phenazepam is good enough IMO for an anti-anxiety drug when the traditional benzos aren't around (i.e. tem-, diaz-, lor-, clonazepam, alprazolam), especially with the advantage of single or even other-day dosing. One drawback for me is that the euphoria is pretty minimal, but that's not really what's important to me. A bigger one is the amnesia, but that's controllable, for me, if I stick to minimally effective doses (~2-3mg every 24-36 hours).

I was indeed able to fully dissolve it in isopropyl 91% from a chain drug store, just placing it in a jar, then placing the jar in near-boiling water (aka a double-boiler), stirring every couple minutes for 10 minutes. 100mg at a time to 100ml of ISO (a bit more than necessary, probably, but I only had an oral syring which measured in 1ml units). Then, to use, pouring the right quantity of liquid into water or coffee and microwaving until I can't smell the isopropyl anymore [EDIT: I.E. since ISO boils at away at a lower temperature, leaving water + phenaz].

Couple questions related to solubility (after UTFSE):

-For those, like me, who have been successful dissolving in ethanol or isopropyl, what is the greatest concentration of phenazepam you've gotten per ML (I only tried 1mg:1ML, but would prefer like 10mg:1ML)? (This time I'm gonna try to use a 1cc syring so I can 0.1ML units.)

-Where do you get your Propylene Glycol besides the internet (not an option given my living situation, though I do manage the key ingredient)? Doesn't seem to be a regular OTC pharmacy product?

Sorry if asked and answered elsewhere... I don't find it.
 
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I have dissolved 100mgs of phenazepam in 10ml of acetone before. 10mg per ml of acetone. Just make sure the acetones evaporates.

-PLUR
 
Candy_Raver said:
I have dissolved 100mgs of phenazepam in 10ml of acetone before. 10mg per ml of acetone. Just make sure the acetones evaporates.
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Great, thanks! I might even have some acetone still laying around...heard its not as easy to get anymo', but that's another discussion. That'll work!
 
Okay, I experimented a bit with a buddy's product and ended up making a 1mg/ml solution in propylene glycol for the hell of it. Before I did this though, I decided to see if I could figure out a good way to give a rough estimate of a dose for those that are going to try the drug without proper scales or solutions. First, I want to say that scales and/ or a solution are definitely the way to go, as you can't be too precise at all without them. What I did figure out is that taking a dry toothpick and poking the tip into the powder enough to just coat the tip worked sufficiently to give a threshold dose (taken under the tongue). Of course, the density, consistency, etc of the powder and the makeup of the toothpick itself make this far from fool-proof, but should help to at least give a starting point to those who would have otherwise eyeballed the dose despite the warnings to not do so. I did two toothpick tips (about 45 min. apart), and they gave me effects similar to 1.5mg of alprazolam (strangely, that's what I find it to be most like...).

Anyways, my point of saying this is to hopefully convince people to get scales and make solutions with their product; but also, to those that won't use these materials, then I hope I have convinced them to at least take this advice and coat the tip of a toothpick to equal a little less than 1mg, instead of trying to eyeball any amount. This is obviously very potent stuff that should be treated with caution... this is what I am trying to emphasize most of all.
 
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Why people do want to eyeball this substance is beyond my imagination. That is just asking for trouble.
 
A milligram scale is completely necessary when messing with the pure from of this substance.

You are playing with fire eyeballing doses
 
If you have money for phenazepam, you have money for a scale. Though this is certainly better than just eyeballing a few specks :).
 
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to get across. A mg scale is definitely necessary, but there are also definitely people out there that are going to not use them and dose, and that bit of info was just for them.
 
Ok, the PG solution I made earlier, I checked on not long ago, and it still had pieces floating around in it after mixing and running under hot water for a very long time. There are less pieces floating now then there originally were, but it still does not appear to be completely dissolved. Comments? Advice? I don't know what to make of this.
 
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Ok, the PG solution I made earlier, I checked on not long ago, and it still had pieces floating around in it after mixing and running under hot water for a very long time. There are less pieces floating now then there originally were, but it still does not appear to be completely dissolved. Comments? Advice? I don't know what to make of this.
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Give up now. This drug is practically worthless unless you like walking around in a stupor for four days.

If you enjoy four day stupors, then by all means continue but seriously pop a xanax. I've been down the phenazepam road (fake bars someone sold me) and it wasn't a pretty week.
 
This stuff is not fun even when you get the dosage right, and especially not fun if you accidentally take too much. I am not a huge fan of benzos in the first place, but this stuff is asking for trouble.
 
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Give up now. This drug is practically worthless unless you like walking around in a stupor for four days.

If you enjoy four day stupors, then by all means continue but seriously pop a xanax. I've been down the phenazepam road (fake bars someone sold me) and it wasn't a pretty week.
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It appears to be almost completely dissolved last I checked... Apparently, it needed more time. It was so close to being completely dissolved that I took a 1mg dose (1ml) and got exactly the effects I anticipated.
 
In addition to my above question, how would one go about making their propylene glycol solution safe for storage for, say, a month? Would adding a small amount of an alcohol suffice? Any and all methods that I could use to do this would be great!
 
All I can say is repeat myself and say that accurate scales are much better than a liquid solution. I have heard many reports of people using PG to suspend the substance, but even then I have seen people accidentally take to much.

If you want to try this out, find a sub-miligram scale that is accurate. I don't quite think that liquid suspension works accurately. Phenazepam is cheap and available, but for fucks sake, spare the rest of your cash of a good scale. Phenazepam can be a very useful substance if used correctly and in sane dosages. I am extremely skeptical of liquid suspension, and have witnessed many people taking far too much than intended despite following advice on mixing it with high proof alcohol and/or PG. And hell, you can use the scale for many other things later. From what I have seen, even trying PG or High proof booze suspension can cause a higher dose than expected, and I've had to look after too many folk for days using those methods. A useful substance, but please don't ever eyeball it. I've been guilty of using too much of certain substances without realising but with good intentions, but this site is about harm reduction. And far too much harm can come from Phenazepam.
 
^Any error in liquid dosing is either
1. The user takes too much outright (e.g.they were thinking 1mg would be enough when it was too much)
2. The drug didn't dissolve fully
3. The user made an error while obtaining a proper volume to dose with
4. The user added too much drug or too little solvent

^^Add something like Benzyl Alcohol; it's used in hospitals.
 
Is there any sort of buzz with phenazepam? I've taken one mg last night and just have a little antianxiety but that all.
 
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