The Big & Dandy Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

[polidelaiko]

What I experienced with JWH-073 was that a vaporized dose solidified again in my tongue, leaving something like a ball of wax. I put it in the tin foil again and revaporized it. That was weird.

 

[Zardokk]

I got a 50mg sample of some JWH-018 that is a very clean looking white powder. Some of it almost looks clear and kind of shines. I believe this is very pure JWH, and a very small eyeballed dose (estimated to be 2-3 mg) can get me damn stoned, and about double that amount will annihilate me, which is impressive to me as I've been smoking daily with only maybe 3 or 4 total breaks for about a year and a half.

I tried a dose that was about double what I normally use last night (probably in the neighborhood of 5-7 mg) and I was getting some definite visuals. They were mild, but psychedelic. I was trying to help my girlfriend with an English paper and I noticed it looked like it was covered in pink and yellow highlighter. She said she hadn't used any, and I was confused as to whether or not I was really *that* high. Then the highlighter marks started moving around and arranging themselves into shapes and I knew I was, in fact, *that* high.

Also, looking at myself in the mirror proved stranger than any psychedelics I've tried (and I've done my fair share of acid). My face didn't morph or melt or anything, but it just looked so damn strange and cartoony. JWH has a very surreal feel to it, IMO. If I smoke enough of it, it feels like something in between good sativa and a "true" psychedelic. It feels like walking into a cartoon...a cartoon in which you're ungodly stoned. I've had good hash that produced similar effects, but not often. 018 also seems to give me the vibe of being an "explorer," kind of like I'm on a mission...and kind of like I'm a little kid at the same time. Very interesting substance, and definitely worthy of more research.

 

[Delta-9-THC]

I agree. I actually find JWH-018 to be more psychedelic than the majority of cannabis strains.

073 on the other hand is actually pretty boring for me and is definitely inferior to good cannabis.

I suppose I like the 018 because I almost never get my hands on sativa strains.

 

[Zardokk]

Glad I'm not the only one who finds this stuff trippy. I just scored 10 hits of some supposedly high quality acid (same guy I've always bought from, and it's always been good). I'm really considering combing a high smoked dosage of some 018 with the cid. I think it would be INTENSE and awesome.

 

[Solipsis]

Got the JWH-018 as an off-white powder that is not clumpy at all, seems like a good product. Some of it was infused in rollingpaper and put in capsules in 2 mg portions, not tested extensively yet - orally that is - but I got some mild, all right, effects from it. 2 mg + a bit later another 2 mg. Infusing it into something like parsley for good smoking will be next...

 

[Shambles]

Stuff's absolutely ruined my pipe. Leaves very nasty gunk behind that sets like concrete - completely blocked it. Can kinda see where a certain fella was coming from with the "glue" thing but wouldn't quite go that far. Okay for occasional use but not something I'd want to be doing too often. Would choose just about any kinda weed/hash over it everytime but the real stuff is shockingly hard to come by where I am at the moment

 

[fastandbulbous]

You must be confused then, as there's no evidence that either is carcinogenic.

Yes there is - in rats (but rodents aren't primates)


As to the whilte/yellow powder, it's all to do with the size of the powder particles. Very fine powder is white, more coarse is yellow as the solid resin is a dark amber colour. Smaller particles scatter light more so appear more white. Te larger the particles, the more yellow it will look up until the particles are so large the amber colour of the resin becomes the predominant colour

was completely white and not at all dense

Low density = finer particles - see above explanation

It's amazing how willing people are to believe that they've got different compounds

 

[Solipsis]

Are you saying that if you would make a clump of white JWH-xxx powder it would become like dark in color? Or will the particles not stick without an oily impurity?
Does this also mean that color doesn't mean much about purity, or is it interrelated just like impurities in recrystallization prevent larger crystals to be formed which is why relatively large crystals (in one piece) are a sign of purity in many compounds....?

Despite my chem knowl i'm at a loss

 

[azzazza !?]

even the guy who invented this chemical, Dr. Huffman

nomen est omen

 

[dread]

nomen est omen

Examples (found from wikipedia)

Lord Brain, leading neurologist and peer of the realm.
Dr. Richard (Dick) Chopp - Famous urologist, specializing in vasectomies.
Cardinal Sin, former Archbishop of Manila.
Anna Smashnova the Israeli tennis player.
J.W. Splatt and D. Weedon, urologists who published several papers on incontinence together.
Stephen Rowbotham, Olympic rower for the GB team.
Black Rob, Rapper convicted of Grand Larceny.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Are you saying that if you would make a clump of white JWH-xxx powder it would become like dark in color? Or will the particles not stick without an oily impurity?
Does this also mean that color doesn't mean much about purity, or is it interrelated just like impurities in recrystallization prevent larger crystals to be formed which is why relatively large crystals (in one piece) are a sign of purity in many compounds....?

Despite my chem knowl i'm at a loss

The JWH's aren't crystalline, so it's wrong to apply that sort of thinking to them. There is no oily impurity, the compound is amorphous and has an oily like quality of its own

 

[Solipsis]

Ah very interesting, I searched a bit - so often amorphous compounds possess antireflective properties then, hmm it isn't actually darker in the traditional sense that it absorbs more light, but the light is trapped by the disorderly structure and is not emitted as much giving it the 'illusion' of being dark (well illusion, it actually appears dark)...

Sorry for trying to explain things I was pretty confused about earlier myself, I tend to do that.
Don't wanna be learning alone here lol

 

[junglist15]

yeah white crystal shards I have found to be the most potent, like blow your doors off strong.
the last batch I had was white, but more powdery. It was noticably a lot weaker too, I would say it had 073 mixed in to it. I hope I can get the supreme white glass shards again.

 

[fastandbulbous]

Did you weigh the dose or just measure by eye as the dose the amount in certain volume of a shard is going to be a lot more than the amount contained in the same volume of fine whit powder?

Just realized I could have saved a lot of verbage by using the word density

 

[Coolio]

The JWH's aren't crystalline, so it's wrong to apply that sort of thinking to them. There is no oily impurity, the compound is amorphous and has an oily like quality of its own

There's the confusion in my part.. didn't realize it was amorphous.

 

[shienar]

fastandbulbous - not try to rip but do you have a paper or reference?

I ordered some yesterday, im curious to see if it will come.

Ill report back

 

[fastandbulbous]

NO I thought it was obvious it's not crystalline - it's not ionic, has a low melting point and basically is gooey at body temp

 

[Coolio]

It doesn't have the same oily feel in white powder form that it does in a more dense form.

 

[Whatsamatau]

For several months now the product available has been very consistent. Slightly off white, and fluffy, at least at first glance. If you put some in your mouth it's totally non-soluable, and almost seems like nano particles of putty!

If you don't hit on it too hard, it a wonderful drug IMO. On the other hand you need to resist too much abuse cause it just sort of poops out on me. I just take vacations from it for a few weeks to get the good buzz back.

Party on!

 

[Whatsamatau]

It's Cannabinoid Smorgashborg out there!

Please don't lock this a as source thread. I was absolutely faberglasted yesterday when I went looking for new places for these substances.

-snip-

What I'm asking, is out of all of the JWH's and WINNs that are currently, easily acquired, is there still any reason cost benefit wise not to stick with reliable (to a point) old -018?

Any experiences with the other JWH numbers or the WINN would be greatly appreciated.

I truly appoligize for anyone who was offended! That was not my intent at all. I will make no futher comment, for I am truly remorseful!