The Big & Dandy Synthetic Cannabinoids Thread

[Shambles]

from what I gather... JWH-018 is very sativa like with properties of psychedelics but is very dose responsive and causes anxiety (not good because I have an anxiety disorder). While JWH-073 seems more relaxing and indica like without the complete stoning and near no anxiety but requires a higher dose.

I'd say the opposite is true for me. 018 I find very heavy going, not at all psychedelic and very good at producing mega-anxiety. Certainly gets you incredibly stoned though. 073 I find very light and upbeat, fairly euphoric and much closer to a "trippy weed" effect. I have no intention of buying 018 again even though it works out so cheaply cos it's just not very enjoyable for me and it's also blocked my favourite pipe solid with rock hard gunk. YMMV and all that

Not sampled 200 yet and don't know enough about it to know if it appeals so am waiting for some reports to come in from my fellow human guinea pigs. Suspect I'll acquire some at some point just because I can't resist a new drug :D

PS: Nice stickjob on the new B&D thread, Uniter :D

 

[Delsyd]

well ive gone through a bunch of the 073. To the point where i developed a huge tolerance and found the high to not be very interesting any more.

The 018 i only got to try ~1-2mg of because we only had 10mg to begin with and Love*lite smoked it all down in 1 hit, lol

So i think i may want to get some 018 and do a little bit of experimenting.

Cannabis doesnt normally cause anxiety in me. And ill stick to the low doses of 018 and work my way up to the perfect one.

Also i bet making a little mix may prove to be even better than anyone on its own.

im also going to wait for reports of 200 to roll in beofre i go wasting money on it in case its trash.

i hope we see some HU-xxx and WIN-xxx cannabinoids come out soon.

 

[Delsyd]

Also what are peoples impressions of the CP-xxx

ive always kind of gotten the impression that most werent impressed and prefered ther JWH's/

 

[Propyl Power]

^I've only had CP-55,940 once (and have no experience with JWH) but I was impressed... it was like basically like a very clear-headed, psychedelic, sativa hash. That lasted for 10 hours.

I would love to try it again...

I'd also like to see some more reports on CP-47,497

 

[Shambles]

well ive gone through a bunch of the 073. To the point where i developed a huge tolerance and found the high to not be very interesting any more.

I'm in a similar situation only reversed. Same thing happens very quickly with 018 although the tolerance is a good thing in this case cos the paranoia is less of an issue which makes the high more enjoyable. I don't generally get paranoid on weed or hash but I still do on 018 if I do just a tiny bit too much. I don't like the physical effects too much either but would struggle to describe them and with the paranoia added it can be a vicious circle.

Then again, it's dirt cheap, very effective and many love it - you may well be one of them so worth a go if you're sick of 073. I find the tolerance to both builds rapidly but also goes down rapidly if you give it a rest for a bit. They do mix quite well too if you get the balance right

 

[Delsyd]

wht kind of paranoia do you get with 018.

im having a hard time imagining this anxiety.

Is like it makes you think about a bunch of shit in your life in effect making you anxious?
Or you feel so high that you feel maybe you're too high and may need medical attention?
Or like psychedelic paranoia, like ur never coming down or about to die or something rediculous like that?

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

wht kind of paranoia do you get with 018.

im having a hard time imagining this anxiety.

Is like it makes you think about a bunch of shit in your life in effect making you anxious?
Or you feel so high that you feel maybe you're too high and may need medical attention?
Or like psychedelic paranoia, like ur never coming down or about to die or something rediculous like that?

You've never smoked TOO MUCH of some really good high quality Cannabis (usually a Sativa strain) and your mind races for a little bit during the come up? That's the kind of paranoia, it's no different than "freaking out" on weed just a little more pronounced but it passes quickly. Usually no longer than 15 mins.

 

[Shambles]

Or you feel so high that you feel maybe you're too high and may need medical attention?
Or like psychedelic paranoia, like ur never coming down or about to die or something rediculous like that?

Bit of both of these. It's hard to explain but it's very intense, deeply unpleasant and not quite like any other "getting the fear" experiences I've had. It's also mercifully brief as Stroonz mentions, although I find it can last up to an hour from a single hit if you really overdo it.

It sends my heart racing and I get pins and needles all over, chest pains and often a throbbing headache. Nothing too horrific generally but with the paranoia/anxiety/fear that tends to come with it it can easily be a hellish experience. Smoking too much 018 is a mistake you don't make often

That aside, I just prefer the high from 073 and the fact you can redose it to get you where you want to be in a more weedlike way. 018 is a one-hit wonder for me - and you need to get that hit right to enjoy it. You can certainly redose it once the first wears off a bit but it's all or nothing for me and I kinda like the in between stages that it lacks.

Then again, I know people who smoke pipe after pipe of 018 with no trouble so as always YMMV

 

[Delsyd]

hopefully 200 is the perfect middle ground between the two.

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

hopefully 200 is the perfect middle ground between the two.

too bad nobody knows the dosage, i'm not being the guinea pig lol... it's definitely available and ready to be experimented with though

 

[Zardokk]

I was a fairly heavy pot smoker (minimum of 2-3x a day on a normal day, VERY few days off) for about a year and a half, but I haven't had more than maybe an 8th a week for the past few months, so the tolerance is back pretty low. I got a small 50 mg sample of JWH-018 a few weeks ago and WOW! I think I like the stuff more than weed!

For me the high was incredible. It had kind of a "dark" feeling edge to it, but overall I found it very trippy, novel, and enjoyable. I ordered myself a slightly larger quantity and I'm going to try again. Hopefully my stuff will show up tomorrow! Anyway, I have no experience with other synthetic cannabinoids and I'm not at all prone to anxiety attacks or anything, but I have to say if you like weed or psychedelics (especially if you like both), TRY THIS COMPOUND! Granted, we don't know for sure how safe it is yet, and if you're really worried for your health, stay away, but this stuff rocks my socks off!

My girlfriend did notice a bit of anxiety, and we both noticed a headache the first time we smoked it, but other than that this chemical is godly. I introduced it to a friend of mine who can no longer smoke the ganj due to probation, and he went out and bought MULTIPLE GRAMS of the stuff a few days later (he says a year supply, I don't know how much exactly, but at least 10 Gs and maybe more). Everyone I've talked to likes this stuff and I think if you're getting anxiety, it's just YOU, not the chemical. If getting too high from weed makes you anxious or uncomfortable, this stuff will do the same thing, so avoid it if you're a pussy like that. (Sorry to all you pussies out there, but I used to freak out from weed, then I sucked it up and smoked quite a bit and got over it. You just have to adjust to the experience; it's intense no doubt about it.)

PS - Sorry, I don't usually drink, but I had a few shots of moonshine over the past hour or so. I apologize for any rambling, stupidity, or typos. Anything else I accept full responsibility for.

 

[Delsyd]

...My girlfriend did notice a bit of anxiety...

... If getting too high from weed makes you anxious or uncomfortable, this stuff will do the same thing, so avoid it if you're a pussy like that. (Sorry to all you pussies out there, but I used to freak out from weed, then I sucked it up and smoked quite a bit and got over it. You just have to adjust to the experience; it's intense no doubt about it.)

PS - Sorry, I don't usually drink, but I had a few shots of moonshine over the past hour or so. I apologize for any rambling, stupidity, or typos. Anything else I accept full responsibility for.

its alright man, drinking makes people assholes

 

[Shambles]

The head of the nail has been hit in the above two posts. Something with the light, sparkly and upbeat nature of 073 with the potency and cost-effectiveness of 018 would be great but as the dose varies so wildly between the JWHs I'm not prepared to toke and hope on it. I also know that plenty other peeps will be more than happy to fill that role so don't mind waiting till they do

EDIT: Dammit I'm slow (and missed a page). The above two posts now bear no relation to mine but they did at the time and you get the gist

Zardokk: I don't get anxiety on weed but I get it in spades on 018 as do many other people. On the other hand, some people who get anxious on weed don't on 018. This is why those magical letters YMMV are bandied about so much

PS: Yes I am a pussy and am also an arsehole when drunk sometimes - it's a fine combo

PPS: Moonshine ftw

 

[delta_9]

The CP **,***componds , at first glance, look safer than the JWH compounds, as they're(the CPs) much more structurally similar to compounds like THC etc. Although I admit I don't know much abouth their(CP*s) metabolites, and I'm very interested in the upcoming data.

The AAI(Aminoalkylindoles) are highely different in terms of chemical structure relative to THC etc., and to be honest they(JWH)resemble giant aromtic hydrocabnons. This could affect metabolism issues, toxicity, etc.

Endegenous cannabinoid structure is an entirely different discussion.

Please, someone correct me if I'm wrong anywhere here

 

[Roger&Me]

^JWHs definitely do look scary, and very possibly may be toxic (via metabolism to epoxides). Personally I'm staying away from them.

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

^JWHs definitely do look scary, and very possibly may be toxic (via metabolism to epoxides). Personally I'm staying away from them.

I just don't believe a compound that decreases tumor growth in cells as also being able to be toxic. It's like saying, although cigarettes can cause cancer and are definitely carcinogenic, "at least they decrease tumor growth," just my opinion, all chemistry aside.

 

[JackARoe]

I just don't believe a compound that decreases tumor growth in cells as also being able to be toxic.

Perhaps any substance that can cause insightful thought, hilarity, and hunger has an anti tumor side effect.

Yeah man, synthetic cannabinoids! The best thing to happen since pizza. I don't use much at all but i don't worry. With all the garbage in our drinking water and air, with all these new pharm commercials with meds that have no history of use, with all the crap in foods we eat, I simply do not worry about occasional use of these substances.

 

[fizzacyst]

I just don't believe a compound that decreases tumor growth in cells as also being able to be toxic. It's like saying, although cigarettes can cause cancer and are definitely carcinogenic, "at least they decrease tumor growth," just my opinion, all chemistry aside.

Chemotherapy drugs are used for the express purpose of getting rid of tumors, and they are absolutely terrible for you.

A drug can do something positive, but then, after being metabolized into a totally different chemical, do all sorts of damage. Acetaminophen is an example of a common drug that does this.

 

[BiG StroOnZ]

Chemotherapy drugs are used for the express purpose of getting rid of tumors, and they are absolutely terrible for you.

A drug can do something positive, but then, after being metabolized into a totally different chemical, do all sorts of damage. Acetaminophen is an example of a common drug that does this.

The thing is, tumors and cancerous growths are practically one in the same.

 

[LabRatNW]

Question: Do these synthetic CBs enhance a trip like herb does? Anyone have anything they want to share regarding?