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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy Storage Thread

Fagott said:
.....I see people in this thread saying that plastic zip-lock bags breath oxygen and water vapor over time. If this is true, what about regular plastic containers?, like tupperware.....
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Essentially you are using sub-par equipment in all honesty. None of container are exactly scientific/industry grade unfortunately :\

Fagott said:
.....Is it best to only use metal and glass then?....
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Glass most definitately (although the compound you're attempting to hold will actually dictate which medium it should be stored in. For most situations, glass is relatively inert to most chemicals!


Fagott said:
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Obviously I have my powders in glass vials, no problem there. I'm more worried about my lysergamides blotters .
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I would agree. If a substance is already in powdered form I would hazard a guess it would be - irrespective of the actually drug - in it's salt, and therefore in a very stable state (Hcl, AB-equilibrium, etc.). Should be quite safe enough to transfer the salt mixture to another vessel (Baggie?)



Edit: I must apologise for the coherence (or there lack of?) my postings here. Late nights and the use of smart phone to reply in all honesty aren't the best combinations! Lol
 
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HEy my question is this, i want to store my 4acoDMt i have about 230mg. Would one be able to dissolve and store this in contact solution?? i know contact solution is basicaly just saline , but here is list of what the solution i have contains:
Honestly im a total newb on this..theres two diff bottles..
bottle 1: sodium citrate sodium chloride sodium borate porp glyc hcl acid and or/ sodium hydroxide and theres also sum proprietary shit for reconditioning and disinfecting..


now the other one is the same in that it has sodium citrate sodium borate sodium chlorate but has sorbitol aminomethylpropanol polaxamine and the dissenfecting shit ...

So i have read that using contact solution in place of saline solution for IV works fine fore drug use..SO i wanna know can i store my 4acoDMt in thie solution and if yes which should i use i know the first bottle has prop glyco and the other does not, but overall the secondbottle has less shit in it..but which sould i use?
or should i not use it at all??
 
No, tryptamines should not be stored in water for long periods of time.

Saline is very cheap, just buy some. The first solution might be OK but the second would definitely not.
 
You could evaporate the ethanol when you want to use it?

4-AcO-DMT is unlikely to last in an aqueous solution so I do not think it is an option.

Pure propylene glycol would probably be the best for you if it is injectable.
 
Hello!

I've been talking to our mod Solipsis and he shared some of his knowledge about storing DMT and jungle spice properly. I would be grateful if anybody can add some useful advice as well.

Solipsis said:
Most storage advice applies in general, the factors are heat, oxygen, moisture (water, also as vapor in the air) and light.
Temperature is always a factor while light is only a factor in some cases.

Rice helps with the moisture because it absorbs it, so basically it is a household / makeshift desiccant but there are better drying agents available.

If you read the storage thread closely you will probably learn that putting stuff in a freezer and placing desiccant / drying agent with it are universal methods, but they are only effective if you are consistent: everything must be airtight, otherwise oxygen levels keep getting refreshed and moisture in the air seep through. Cooling or freezing is a risk because it attracts water: you see condensation in the fridge and you can see ice build-up in improperly ventilated freezers.

DMT, jungle spice and all that stuff oxidizes so you could benefit from adding packets of iron dust which can serve as a safrifice: the iron oxidizes (rusts) instead of the tryptamines. So, if you want to put tryptamines in long term storage there's a few things you need to do: get something like a mini mason jar that is sealed well. Get desiccant and if you are smart also oxygen absorbers, and seal them all together to create a micro-atmosphere. Then freeze it to slow degrading reactions.

Jungle spice is weird anyway, apparently it can be amorphous but when you freeze it, there is a possibility it crystallizes. Not sure what's up with that stuff. Oil contents also matter a lot by the way, if there's too much of that it will prevent you from getting nice Xtals.
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Ferrous oxygen absorbers will not work without there being some moisture present.

Oxygen is consumed in oxidation but water is a catalyst for degradation so I prefer to remove moisture because only so much oxygen oxidation can occur in a closed container.
 
A friend of mine, and I really, really wish I was SWIMing at this point, has a glass vial with 20 year old blotter acid in his freezer. No oxygen absorbers, no moisture absorbers, just individual blotters in glass vials. He insists that after 20 years they pack just as much of a punch as they did back then, and having tasted them I sure wish the average blotter nowadays was as good as his.
 
I am in possession of MET hcl, but don't feel I will be ready to utilize its potential for many months, at which point I fear it may degrade.

I'm aware of the standard storage methods, but I was thinking that I especially need to protect my base tryptamines from 1. UV light 2.Moisture- ie hydroscopic 3. Oxygen

I don't feel comfortable placing this substance in my freezer I share with my room mates, what are some creative ways to extend the shelf life? Possibly convert to a fumarate salt?
 
Hi guys,

Sorry if my sentences are not that great, hope you'll understand.

Anyone knows for how long could I store those following compounds please :
- AMT freebase pellets (pills)? I put the pills in amber glass vial -> closed cardbox -> dark place and "room" temperature (between 15 - 18°C at max).
- 5-MeO-DALT HCL pellets (pills) -> amber glass vial -> closed cardbox -> dark place and "room" temperature (between 15 - 18°C at max).
- Etizolam pellets -> amber glass vial -> closed cardbox -> dark place and "room" temperature (between 15 - 18°C at max).
- BK-2C-B pellets -> amber glass vial -> closed cardbox -> dark place and "room" temperature (between 15 - 18°C at max).
- Methoxetamine HCL powder -> amber glass vial -> closed cardbox -> dark place and "room" temperature (between 15 - 18°C at max).
- Methylone HCL powder -> amber glass vial -> closed cardbox -> dark place and "room" temperature (between 15 - 18°C at max).
- 5-APB succinate powder -> amber glass vial -> closed cardbox -> dark place and "room" temperature (between 15 - 18°C at max).
- 6-APB succinate powder -> amber glass vial -> closed cardbox -> dark place and "room" temperature (between 15 - 18°C at max).
- TMA-6 HCL powder -> amber glass vial -> closed cardbox -> dark place and "room" temperature (between 15 - 18°C at max).
- 4-ACO-DMT fumarate powder -> amber glass vial -> closed cardbox -> dark place and "room" temperature (between 15 - 18°C at max).
- 4-HO-MET fumarate powder -> amber glass vial -> closed cardbox -> dark place and "room" temperature (between 15 - 18°C at max).
- 5-MeO-MiPT HCL powder -> amber glass vial -> closed cardbox -> dark place and "room" temperature (between 15 - 18°C at max).
- AL-LAD blotters -> double baggie -> metallic container -> Freezer

and finally

2-FA powder -> amber glass vial -> closed cardbox -> dark place and "room" temperature (between 15 - 18°C at max).

Everything should be good for long term storage ?? (counting in years so..). I'm always paranoid about those shelf-life... and that make me very crazy sorry...

I will THANK YOU A LOT for your answers :)
 
entheo said:
Could anybody explain to me the best way to store base tryptamines?
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I've had some freebase psilocin in storage with no degradation for a couple of years now. Here's what I did:

The psilocin is inside a 2 dram amber glass vial. A *dry* silica gel bead packet is also inside the vial, and is replaced with a freshly-dried one every two or three times I open it. The whole vial is inside an airtight mason jar, which is also filled with silica gel desiccant. The mason jar is kept in the dark, in the back of my freezer. I always let the whole thing thaw for two or three hours before I open it. The same psilocin turns brown and gooey in a couple of weeks if it's left sitting out.

Some people will tell you "No don't put the silica gel in contact with the drug!", but it works for me :P

I thought initially about filling the vials with dry argon as well, but it doesn't seem necessary now.
 
Could someone possibly provide me with some links to a reasonably priced set of vials-preferably amber in order to prevent excess UV exposure- assuming its not considered sourcing?
I have a few silica desiccant packs left from my pharmacy but I'm not sure how well they will work over many months. Any help is appreciated.
 
I have 6 hits of lsd in a piece of tin fool and in a piece of paper and in a little metal container. This container was in my pocket and i sat in front of a space heater for about 5 min. Could this heat exposure have degraded my tabs? Please respond
 
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