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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy Storage Thread

Help With Storing Freebase Tryptamines Please!

Anyone have experience with storing freebase tryptamines for extended periods of time?!?!?

Haven't got any responses from people that have actually successfully stored a freebase tryptamine for an extended period of time with little to no loss in potency.

4-AcO-MiPT freebase in particular, but even anectodal reports of people successfully storing other common freebase tryptamines, such as DMT freebase, would be greatly appreciated!

How long till oxidization becomes an issue if it is stored in a few bags in a lock box in the freezer?

Any insight from those that have stored freebase tryptamines for more than a few months is desperately needed!
 
lsd liquid storage help

Hey, swim recently aquired a bottle of lsd (around 10 drops), swim placed these into this bottle, after washing it out with water, and then hair drying the cap and bottle and drying it with some cotton ear buds.


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do you think the lsd will be ok? is there any chance excess water which could of been left might destroy the lsd (swim did make sure it was fully dryed and no water was left)

swim has put it in a dark cupboard next to a packet of silicia moisture things, did swim go about this the right way? any advice as swim doesnt want the lsd to lose potency!

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help! , swim inspected the bottle, and it looks like there is tiny tiny little bits in it, obviously left over from the bottle of anbesol, what can swim do? will this destroy the lsd? will transferring the contents into another bottle help
 
From threads I read as long as It's held somewhere dark and at room temperature it should be fine, but I'd wait for some else who knows more about your situation to reply.

Also don't use "swim" I've read that this word is not very liked here.

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just read the 2nd part of your text, and I'm not really sure what to say about that! :S
 
Hi, and here goes my first post.

I'm looking to store some RC's of various types in glass vials. Could anyone with experience with this tell me what size vial would be good to store 1g of powders with the consistency of 2c-e?

Can anyone comment on how large (drams, mL, whatever) their vials are and approximately how much powder they fit?

Thanks
 
I have my 2c-e stored in a 2 dram amber vial. I normally store chemicals in either 1 or 2 dram vials depending on the density.


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Freaking love those 2 dram amber vials, especially ones with self-healing injection tops, I like to suck the air out of the vial, creating a vacum
 
Seeddrill said:
Mesc??? Several months ago I put 2 caps of mescaline in a baggi, in a desk drawr (noy climate controlled - hot). Looked yesterday, and could not find them after a thorough search. I did find a baggi with a lump of brown/black stuff aboutthe right quantity. Is this my stash? If so, is it safe to eat? Hate waste!
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Considering mescaline is a phenethylamine which should be very stable I don't know why your caps of mescaline would turn into a lump of brown/black stuff.

Did you obtain these mescaline caps by extracting mescaline from a cactus yourself? Maybe some of the other alkaloids present in the extracted mescaline caused it to oxidize considerably.

Considering they degraded so quickly I have my suspicions you may have purchased these caps from someone else and they were sold to you as mescaline. If this is the case it is almost guaranteed they are not mescaline and instead are some other common research chemical that degrade quickly in heat. Many tryptamines oxidize when stored improperly, and almost all "mescaline" caps sold on the street are anything but mescaline.

How full were your gelcaps when you purchased them? A normal dose of mescaline is at least 300 mg and will barely fit into a "OO" gel cap. Even then it would not be a huge dose. If your caps were not filled to the brim and if it did not take more than 1 to get considerably high then I'm betting on them being some other chemical.

Did you try any of them before you left the 2 in your drawer? I'd be interested to hear how long it lasted and what the effects were like and if you have experience with many psychedelics. Unless you extracted the mescaline yourself I'd say they aren't mescaline unfortunately. And personally I wouldn't eat something that went from a gel cap to a brown/black lump. If you did do tell =D
 
Which vials are the best for long term storage?

Threaded twist caps? Or snap off caps?

If I go with twist caps then would twist caps with rubber stoppers be best? Or would polyseal cone line phenolic caps be better? Seen here:

http://www.bottlesolutions.com/product/item-2a474b34-226c-46a6-89eb-4c3e29f38024.aspx

I'm looking to store some tryptamines for as many years as possible, so what vials are the best for long term storage? I am going to use small 1/4 dram vials that only hold 150-250 mg of powder at a time so only a single vial of a single chemical will be at use, opened and exposed to the elements during dosing at a time. The rest of my stash will be stored in vials to the brim and will remain unopened as I will go through each vial consecutively.
 
How do you cool your stash?

interested, as mine was kept in the cool winter air, but with summer coming and a fridge/freezer that is shared with apartment mates, was thinking of investing in something a bit more compact but just as efficient....
 
I recently checked out some of the tryptamines I have stored in the freezer.
Most of them have been stored for over 1 year, some close to 8-9 months.

Various 4ho/aco-tryptamines:

No changes in physical appearance or color. I have not checked for potency, except for 4-ho-mipt which I assayed about 3 months ago. Potency was not diminished as far as I could tell.

5-subs:

No changes here either. 5-meo-dmt was tested 3 months ago and potency was unchanged from when I got it over 1 year ago.

Simple tryptamines:

No visible signs of degradation. I used DPT 4-5 months ago and it appeared to be unchaged.

I also have many of the same tryptamines mentioned, that were not stored in the freezer, and they seem fine too.

Also I was wondering if anyone knows about the general stability of arylcyclohexylamines - More specifically: 4-meo-pcp and methoxetamine.
It seems ketamine must be pretty stable since it comes packaged in solution.
 
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if i were to put 100 mg of 2ce in 50 ml of high proof alcohol, (above 50%)
how long am i looking at for shelf life?
if stored in a cool, dark, airtight container.
 
^ thanks for that very nice stash update! guess i need to move my things in a proper freezer

apollo, you should be ok for quite a while (years). 2ce lasts for very long in those kind of conditions. some say it will outlast you but some report degradation when stored improperly after a few years
 
Long time storage without a freezer

I'll be having a problem from next fall on: I will only have a shared freezer and do not like the idea of storing my collection in it. I do understand that 10°C mean about twice as much reaction. However is it possible to store also Trypts without it ?

I was thinking about: Airtight vials, filled with Argon and added small silica packs.
Around them: a mason jar, also with Argon and silica packs.

How long should that last 4-HOs and 5-MeOs? Would I have to worry at all about PEAs?
Also, if someone knows that : how would it work out for JWHs, Methylone and Methoxetamine?
 
One thing it depends on is how quickly you plan on consuming the drugs, based on previous experience.

Phenethylamines generally do not have to be stored in the freezer, I don't anyway.

As for tryptamines, they are not created equal. I have no solid evidence but I think 4-HO tryps are the weakest, then 4-AcO's, then 5-MeO's and unsubstituted ones. And it is hard comparing one tryptamine salt with another freebase, freebase tryptamines are notoriously unstable but I think DMT freebase is more stable then some 4-HO tryptamine salts, though I am not sure.

You have access to argon? I find it curious you can get that but still ask these questions. :) But you're allowed of course!

I'd only store JWH's, M1 or methoxetamine in the freezer if you are planning on keeping them for many many years.

I guess some of the more stable tryptamines are okay out of the fridge or freezer but I wouldn't try it with 4-HO's and I wouldn't really appreciate it with 4-AcO's either tbh. If at all possible cool them all.
If you plan on doing it out of the freezer, silica packs and argon are a good bet because moisture and oxygen are probably your biggest enemies. I think light is somewhat secondary and temperature determines the rate, but also understand that there are reaction energy thresholds meaning that some reactions occur much more above a certain temperature. The 10 degrees doubling is meant for reactions where the critical temperature is not really near, if I am not mistaken.
 
Thanks a lot Solipsis.

And as far as Argon goes, I wanted to order one of the wine conservation sets from Amazon.
 
anyone have any idea how these new 6apb/ 5apb chems resist the test of time? i know it is pretty early days, but im asking hte more chemically inclined to give opinions...
 
are you guys putting desiccant packs in your vials/bags with the actual chemical material so they are touching physically?

I think that way it would be most effective but then I see the problem of having to scrape off the desiccant package from material that gets stuck to it.

can you have too many desiccant packs in one container? as in, if I put all my vials in a jar and fill most of the jar with desiccant packs is this efficient?

Does anyone put those 1-2 Dram amber vials directly in the freezer with no desiccant or outer container? Just take out of freezer, wait 30-60min to adjust to RT, grab dose, twist top back on and pop it back in the freezer as is?

been wondering these things, and couldn't find answers within the rest of the pages...
 
lets talk a little more about STORAGE - PEAs and Tryps

Hey guys,

I was wondering what is the most practical storage plan for these compounds? Is anyone familiar with dry boxes? you are able to physically pump out air from them. Seems alright.

I hear some people are storing them in argon gas and whatnot...how are you guys pulling this off? access to a lab or what?

who thinks they have the best storage methods? post em up!
 
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