The Big & Dandy N-Ethyl-Norketamine Thread

[THCified]

Nothing against china, just possible the nose bleeds are due to a bad batch.

OMG!

Seems like there's nothing new about Nek, he?

 

[knock]

11 pages of people saying "I took more and more and nothing happened, I got a nose bleed though" compared to, say for example, the MXE mega threads of delusional ranting by people who are trashed off their faces.

Haha. We're only a few weeks into this "period of interest" in NEK. Maybe some people are using it in "insane" ways, but others are just trying to establish it's properties (so far, "a bit like weak ketamine"). I think those people who took more and more and got blood for their efforts were mostly just not doing it properly

As already mentioned, I've had a slight nosebleed but it took a fuckload of drug. It wouldn't surprise me if snorting half a gram of ketamine blocked my nose and made it bleed a bit, it always makes me have sneezing fits anyway. I've never had to snort so much K to have an effect, though. So, I don't think this chemical is uniquely bad in this respect.

For me, aiming for strong effects, the problem with this is it's very low potency so it's difficult to get enough of it into the bloodstream. But I have a tolerance.

People who are aiming for a wonk rather than a hole, or those with no tolerance, might find this drug satisfactory, if they take it in such a way that avoids nasal damage - and this seems to be entirely possible. And it may be useful in combo.

I'm trying to be as objective as possible here; I don't find it much cop, but I don't think it's as bad as you're making out

 

[Mung Hunter]

I had a quick look in the entry for ketamine on wikipedia, and the efficiacy of different ROAs is as follows...
"93% intramuscularly, 25-50% intranasally, 30% sublingually, and 30% rectally"

so you are right that aside from IM, nasally looks the next best option. However as sublingual isnt far behind, at least where ketamine is concerned I at least expected to get something. Oh well....

As far as I understand from my research, intranasal is 3-4x more efficient than rectal or oral with Ketamine. Erowid doesn't say anything about sublingual and I've had a hard time finding much info on it anywhere as no one seems to want to try it.

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ketamine/ketamine_dose.shtml

Anyway, I did end up doing more NEK this last Friday and have some good news! I weighed out 500mg into a bag as I didn't plan to consume any more than that throughout the night. I crushed it up very fine just like I do with Ketamine and shared about 200mg of it through the night, and I ended up doing about 300mg of it throughout the night. I didn't get any nosebleeds whatsoever but my nose was definitely stuffed for a bit, but I also caught the cold that night so I'm not sure if the stuffed nose was primarily from the NEK or from being sick, or whether getting sick had anything to do with NEK.

Anyways, on to the interesting stuff; I definitely holed! Felt VERY much like Ketamine to me as I remember getting very wonky and warm, and then I basically don't remember 45 minutes of what I was doing but my friends tell me I was doing some pretty ridiculous shit; just like every time I've holed on racemic or s-isomer Ketamine. Apparently at one point I sat there holding a Subway sub just staring into it for a good 20 minutes, unable to speak, but obviously very hungry, probably unsure of how to go about chewing it. And that was after I had peaked from the hole already. I remember doing at least 4-5 lines throughout the night which equated to about 300mg in total, and that is pretty much just as much, if not less than I would need to hole on pure s-isomer Ketamine.

I think some of you have been too quick to write off this chemical. I really don't understand how so many of you have been getting ridiculous nosebleeds; have you ever done Ketamine? I think I do agree that this compound is slightly rougher on the 'ole shnaz than Ketamine, but not by very much at all. I will definitely try mixing some water with my rails next time I have the time to try this compound out as I could certainly see how that would help. Personally I've never IM'd anything and don't really plan on it but I could certainly see that being an extremely viable ROA for this compound and would love to see some more reports of it being IM'd.

Oh and also, the 200mg I shared with friends was split between 2 different people and they both said they got quite wonky from it and said they both enjoyed themselves quite a bit. Most of my friends and myself have dissociative tolerances as we've been doing Methoxetamine pretty much since it's been out; with moderation of course. We also do Ketamine every now and then, and have tried 3-MeO-PCP and 4-MeO-PCP on a few different occasions.

 

[knock]

Well I'll be damned. Congratulations! Shame you don't remember the hole though. Maybe it's my general disso tolerance and not the potency of NEK that's keeping the hole elusive for me, it's been a while since I've done ket too, maybe that wouldn't work for me either. MXE barely works, but I always felt that my MXE abuse hadn't really affected my ketamine tolerance. Must have fucked it up all round for me.

 

[justinsayno]

yeah...this suff works.
it has already been said that if ketamine = 10 then this = 7.
that pretty much sums it up.

i felt some anxiety and resisted it, not sure if that is because its an RC [ i usually get a bit edgy when trying a RC for the first time ] or if thats due to the drug having a slightly more stimulating edge to it

I suspect its a bit of both.

so, in a nut shell, shorter duration, less visual, possibly more stimulating.

in a blind test i could deffo tell the two apart.

but its not 'shit' or 'weak', still needs to be respected

ps - when i say 'stimulating' i'm not refering to heart rate...i mean i felt more comfortable moving and dancing than laying down...
although this may seem a positive post i think i'll add my name to the list of people that, having tried it probably wont get anymore. It didnt burn much more than ketamine but i can already feel the cold-like symptoms people have mentioned

ps - have experience, but no tolerance, hope this post is of some use
over and out

as for the 'hole' i dont really know, I never went looking for the hole on K, i just fell down it because re-dosing felt so nice....this wasnt the case with NEK...it didnt bring out the fiend in me

 

[6apbhmm]

in the end i found that by drilling a hole in the top of my head and pouring in the whole baggy and using a finger (or two, hell next time i will just fist my brain) i experienced a slight lift in mood with some minor visual disturbances.

Sentence of the week :D :D

 

[nanoshot]

A real report for people who IM it or want to IM it.

First off, this stuff will suspend just fine at 1gram in 10ml of bacteriostatic water filetered with a .20u watman filter. I had 3 grams of it and made 30ml of it just fine.

Second, with all the reports of people trying do use it up their nose and having problems, I can see why. You have to do too much of this stuff at first and to keep going if you use your nose. Theres no point in it. Just put it in a needle and go IM, the only way to go. I'm not even going to talk about plugging it cause I think it's stupid and again, IM is the best way to go.

Took 60mg IM first time to try it out. Haven't done real K in over a year, haven't done MXE in over 6 months. No tolerance to either. Layed doen on the couch listning to vlcaol trance music with headphones on with a towel over my eyes hoping for CEV's like K and MXE did to me. I felt that this first shot of only 60mg took a loooong time to come on and really didn't do much but made me feel a little drunk. No big deal.

Took 150mg IM about 15 mins later. For the person that said they felt it was like a rollercoaster that just never got there, they are right. I felt it come on, and I did get CEV's, but no textured rooms like K and no vibrant greens or reds. I got fractals of purple and black space with stars moving like the starfield simulator on Windows PC screensaver. It didn't last long though.

Took another 100mg after this and the CEV's were almost there. I liek to "build" cityscapes like in that move Inception when I was on K or MXE. I would build the city while flying over it and then zoom in on it like you can in Google Earth. Worked really well on MXE and K but all I could do was build a "dark" city on this 3rd shot and the light in the buildings were dim red. Thats it.

Every shot after this didn't do anything more for the CEV's and pretty soon I just saw black, as I felt I reached "saturation" dose, and any more dosing wouldn't do anything beneficial.

The one think I like about it is that it doesn't have that "mass confusion" part that MXE had. It also wears off very quick and it's easy to just go to bed, I was actually very tired in the end.

I have no URGE to want to do it again, so I will jsut save it for a one day on the weekend thing. There is no afterglow of good feelings the next day, which tells me it doesn't jack your dopamine up like MXE did, hench the antidepressant effect that MXE gave. I just feel normal.

It is what it is and nothing more. I can't see them wanting to ban this one as it just doesn't have the unpredicatlble effects that too much K or MXE has. In fact, it is very predicatable, and once you reach a "saturation" point, theres no point in doing it anymore.

Agian, IM is the only way to go.

 

[Dioxy]

After a month of abstinence from dissociatives, gave this a try. Doses at 125mg, then 180mg, then 250mg with a high NMDA tolerance.

I expected to enjoy the compound a great deal more than I do, and the potency is lower than anticipated. There's something up-front and pleasant about the euphoria, but the physical side effects that feel like sinus tension make it uncomfortable in my view. Very short-lived, which has its benefits of course, and I imagine that IM is a more practical ROA, but I don't use needles, for better or worse.

Edit:
Also wanted to add my experience with the insufflation of it:
It really isn't that hard on the hooter if it's properly crushed. And by crushed I mean absolutely decimated as any chemical should be for greater uptake efficiency. Prepare your snuzzle with some water and you'll avoid unnecessary bleeding

 

[wcote]

Got 250mg today, tried it out slowly wasnt very impressed.

Anyway my right Kidney has a dull ache to it, iv not got this off Ketamine before and iv drunkj a fair amount of water, but can't seem to piss. My left kidney dosnt hurt at all.

Little bit worried if im honest.

I have had this pain from very heavy drinking once or twice but not for a while. But not as bad as this.

 

[cegli]

Wow, I can't believe people keep ordering and trying this stuff. It seems very clear from this thread that what people are getting is NOT n-ethyl-norketamine. It's most likely a bad synthesis. Everyone should look up Adder's thread, when he made a bunch of different arylcyclohexylamine analogs and tested them. I have much more faith that he synthesized them correctly, than some shady vendor. He reported that it was more potent than Ketamine, which makes sense looking at the rest of the SAR.

Reports of bleeding noses for days!? Kidney ache and can't seem to pee? Something is definitely wrong here. I bet when the first GCMS comes in, it turns out it's a bad synth with a bunch of unreacted precursors or something. Buyer beware...

 

[Halif]

People who are aiming for a wonk rather than a hole, or those with no tolerance, might find this drug satisfactory, if they take it in such a way that avoids nasal damage - and this seems to be entirely possible. And it may be useful in combo.

Well put, Knockando.

I have a fair tolerance to K and MXE, but I still think this NEK stuff is alright. Bottom line for me: It's too expensive.

Having said that, what I tried was good. Clean feeling effect, short-acting, wears off smoothly, easy to handle (not overwhelming or mania-inducing), enjoyable.

 

[cannibalsnail]

I've waited long enough for him to reply. I asked a well known vendor for NEK if I could see his NMR and I go this response. I replied assuring him that my intentions were noble but he refused to reply:

Sorry for the late reply.. No excuse for this delay except I'm totally
swamped at the moment, combined with bemusement upon being advised by a
couple of customers that the integrity (and therefore my integrity?) of
the material I'm selling is being questioned in scientific circles.

Thus I'm sort of guessing this is the motivation of your enquiry, to try
to get to the bottom of this speculation?

Well it's maybe an understandable concern given the number of idiot
vendors about, but really I'm not a mug, I spend a few grand a month
just on independent testing and I'm *super* careful - this material is
as stated and of good purity.

Bottom line is I'm reluctant to risk putting into the public domain (i.e
issuing to random people asking) high-res unwatermarked analytical data
because typically the said idiot vendors will nick the docs to help
faciliate them defrauding researchers by pretending they have good
quality & genuine material that is represented by the nicked data.

Trust is built over years...e.g:

Was my 3-MeO-PCE ever not as described?
Was my ODT ever not as described?

Did any other chemical suppliers even manage to obtain these rare chemicals?

So you think I'd now drop the ball and sell N-EK not as described? No
chance.

I'm sure there is lots of "N-EK" being sold that isnt as described, but
not at ***.

 

[amanitadine]

Wow, I can't believe people keep ordering and trying this stuff. It seems very clear from this thread that what people are getting is NOT n-ethyl-norketamine. It's most likely a bad synthesis. Everyone should look up Adder's thread, when he made a bunch of different arylcyclohexylamine analogs and tested them. I have much more faith that he synthesized them correctly, than some shady vendor. He reported that it was more potent than Ketamine, which makes sense looking at the rest of the SAR.

Reports of bleeding noses for days!? Kidney ache and can't seem to pee? Something is definitely wrong here. I bet when the first GCMS comes in, it turns out it's a bad synth with a bunch of unreacted precursors or something. Buyer beware...

This is not the first substance to not match adders report in it's actual effects. That report was a bunch of SAR speculation, not reality. Sorry.

That being said, there is equally no reason to believe that this stuff is as it is being sold. This vendor does have a pretty good track record, but that's about it. Garbage from all angles if you ask me!

 

[ungelesene_bettlek]

It seems very clear from this thread that what people are getting is NOT n-ethyl-norketamine.

sorry, but I can not follow your argumentation. what makes it so "very clear"?

Everyone should look up Adder's thread, when he made a bunch of different arylcyclohexylamine analogs and tested them. I have much more faith that he synthesized them correctly, than some shady vendor.

I strongly disagree here. I have much more faith in one of the most reliable RC vendors of all times than in Adder's thread. Adder also claimed that 2-Meo-Ketamine was about the same potency as ketamine, which turned out to be wrong.

He reported that it was more potent than Ketamine, which makes sense looking at the rest of the SAR.

theoretical SAR extrapolation is not an exact science, it's more educated guessing, and the final proof is in the experiment. that's what is called the scientific method.

 

[Sepher]

CannibalSnail, the style of that reply looks vaguely familiar. Might even be able to make an educated guess who and where it came from, Just have to be super careful with the sourcing rule and even the subtlest of hints? What would you expect him to say? A reasonably articulate and knowledgeable scammer could say very nearly as much, except for the solid reputation built over time as a reliable, knowledgeable prime mover in the UK of a supplier who's goods have always been exactly as stated on the tin, why would he get this one chemical / name wrong all of a sudden, deliberately or otherwise? If it's who I think it is and he says the GC/MS / NMRs are good I'm inclined to believe him.

 

[cegli]

sorry, but I can not follow your argumentation. what makes it so "very clear"?

I strongly disagree here. I have much more faith in one of the most reliable RC vendors of all times than in Adder's thread. Adder also claimed that 2-Meo-Ketamine was about the same potency as ketamine, which turned out to be wrong.

theoretical SAR extrapolation is not an exact science, it's more educated guessing, and the final proof is in the experiment. that's what is called the scientific method.

I noticed while reading through the thread, that you seemed to have a more expected experience than most people on here. Possibly the stuff you're getting is better quality. When you read some of these posts, I maintain it does seem very clear that there is something wrong with some people's "N-Ethyl-Norketamine". I guess it's possible that lengthening one chain from a methyl to an ethyl could cause mega nose bleeds, problems peeing (to be fair, not exclusive to n-ethyl-norketamine), big drop in potency, but it just doesn't make sense. Why would it become super caustic to the nose when nothing else with a similar chemical structure is? It doesn't follow pcm -> pce, MXE, etc, either. Also, people (e.g. Nicklazz) mentioning 200mg doses without much disassociation, no tolerance at all?

You're right, the final proof is in the experiment, but a bunch of people using a chemical they randomly sourced with no data on it's purity other than a guy saying "it's good, trust me" isn't "the scientific method".

Don't get me wrong, I've mused on this exact chemical for years, hoping to try it some day. It just doesn't seem right to me.

 

[knock]

I noticed while reading through the thread, that you seemed to have a more expected experience than most people on here. Possibly the stuff you're getting is better quality. When you read some of these posts, I maintain it does seem very clear that there is something wrong with some people's "N-Ethyl-Norketamine". I guess it's possible that lengthening one chain from a methyl to an ethyl could cause mega nose bleeds, problems peeing (to be fair, not exclusive to n-ethyl-norketamine), big drop in potency, but it just doesn't make sense. Why would it become super caustic to the nose when nothing else with a similar chemical structure is? It doesn't follow pcm -> pce, MXE, etc, either. Also, people (e.g. Nicklazz) mentioning 200mg doses without much disassociation, no tolerance at all?

You're right, the final proof is in the experiment, but a bunch of people using a chemical they randomly sourced with no data on it's purity other than a guy saying "it's good, trust me" isn't "the scientific method".

Don't get me wrong, I've mused on this exact chemical for years, hoping to try it some day. It just doesn't seem right to me.

The nose bleeds are mechanical, not chemical, or perhaps they are occurring in particularly sensitive people, but the first explanation is simpler. As I said above, I got the tiniest nose bleed, a trace of blood in my snot, after I'd sniffed 500mg of the drug in one short sitting (2 hours), that's a lot of powder, and that was after several days of sniffing slightly smaller doses - 300mg, 200mg, after which I'd had absolutely no problems with my nose. Same could have happened with all manner of non-corrosive chemicals.

I avoided trouble by wetting my nasal cavity. Others seem to have avoided irritation by using very thorough crushing techniques.

 

[intelligentmind]

Is this the same as N-Ethyl-Ketamine AKA N-E-K ?

 

[Transform]

Technically no, but many places are (incorrectly) using that name to refer to N-Ethyl-norketamine (NENK)

 

[intelligentmind]

Ok. So I've read over a few posts. A lot of people say its no good. Lot of worrying side effects eg can't pee? Wtf? Doesn't last long, etc. Is it worth the price?