The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 6th Dose (now you've gone and used it all up)

[Jesusgreen]

BebopCola, I've heard of people combining the two with no problems, but personally I wouldn't want to combine MXE with it's suspected high DRI (Dopamine Reuptake Inhibition) action with another DRI like Ritalin, it'd just be uncomfortable I suspect.

sml-la, how did you go through a gram yourself in 8 hours? 200mg should be enough to floor even the most experienced user for a good 6 hours if taken orally/sublingually, and even 100mg could do this for most people with low/average tolerance. With a good ROA and pure MXE after getting to 200mg you wouldn't have physically been able to measure out or dose any more in the first place.

So first things first, if you're using amounts that large, how big is your tolerance? Have you been using on a regular basis for a long time? If so, you need to stop completely for a while, or your tolerance will just increase, until you can no longer enjoy the effects at all - stop now rather than later because the higher your tolerance gets, the longer the break you'll need to get it back down. You yourself said you find it hard to control yourself, so cut it off completely for a couple of months, have a tolerance break, then consider using again - you're just going to ruin the experience for yourself otherwise

Secondly, what ROA are you using? Insufflation (snorting) is very ineffective with this compared to oral and sublingual, it's a huge waste of product and although it's of no concern to me whether you waste drugs or not, this is a harm reduction site, and I don't think anyone should be damaging their nasal lining potentially irreversibly without good reason - and given that every other ROA is stronger and longer lasting than insufflation, there's no good reason to do it.

Finally, once you've answered those questions, if your tolerance isn't that insanely high, and you aren't using an ineffective/wasteful ROA, I'd suspect that the MXE you were getting was very impure to require these kinds of dosages. If there's even the slightest chance it could be cut, I'd avoid using it for your own safety - send off a sample to a lab, get it tested, and then give it another chance afterwards.

Sorry if I came off as harsh or preachy, but 1g in 8 hours isn't just a "large" amount, it's insane, it's like someone consuming say 4g of pure Ketamine in an hour - if your body can genuinely handle that much real product then you have a serious problem and need to deal with it immediately.

Please be safe

 

[Jakeperson]

Went away how? Did you continue to take MXE, did you take steps to maintain your positive swing?

I decided to use it everyday to see if the positive afterglow and anti-depressant effects maintained and it didn't. After about a week I would feel pretty crap the next day, not that bad mind you though, better than a hangover. After about 7 days it lost any kind of afterglow and actually came quite nuetral during the high. There was no more euphoria any more and over the next week that I used I had a few emotional breakdowns over the week with a few repressed memories coming back up to haunt me.

I stopped using after 2 weeks and I haven't used since then except once after 4-HO-MET and it is a very different ball game mixing it with psychedelics so I can't really comment on the trip other than it was very, very delusional and manic. I will probably try it again in a month or so to see if it has regained any positive effects.

This was all about 2 months ago.

 

[fruitsmoothie]

yay@xavior, good post, i can relate as well.

also it makes me hella patient. like, waiting in supermarket queue or whatever, before i wanted to pummel everybodys stupid faces so they would hurry the fuck up etc. now i don't care at all, all smiling, cool and relaxed ;p

remember not to abuse this thing people coz it bites back. maximize the afterglow. and listen to jesusgreen, he speaketh the truth ;p

 

[Xavior]

Limitbreaker, Thus far, I've taken it sublingualy every time except for my first dose. It's highly effective and I find that nasal makes me more self-conscious - I feel like I'm doing something that I shouldn't. It reminds me too much of cocaine when I sniff any drug. I prefer larger doses to smaller ones (which seem to be a tease) and I find that I become highly motivated, I've worked on my apartment and done extensive research on future plans so far. Keep in mind it's only been a couple weeks since my first dose.

Sociability? Increases and decreases in some ways. Generally I'd say it increases, but I find it decreases my interaction with people that I don't have a good connection with in the first place. People that I used to just tolerate no longer hold any interest to me... A short while back I found myself hanging out with a new acquaintance and a guy that was handing out flyers on a street corner in the ghetto for over two hours... We just talked about shit and laughed our asses off for those hours. Totally random, but so much fun! Entirely uncharacteristic for my old personality type...

Jesusgreen, I have to agree with you... so far I haven't gone past like 120mg and that was spaced out re-dosing over the course of a whole a night. if I did a gram of this in 8 hours who knows what would happen (and I don't intend to find out). I believe that sml-la has a unique tolerance (like the 1/10 MDMA user, which happens to be me!) or has a bunk batch of product.

Jakeperson, I've come to the personal realization that MXE only shows you the 'light' every now and then. It takes all that has happened to you up to that point and presents it on a platter. If you take it too often, there is nothing really to present and the drug just starts exploring elsewhere. That's why I feel occasional larger doses are far more valuable than smaller frequent ones.

fruitsmoothie, interesting - it makes me impatient to an extent. People that "think" and speak slowly are annoying and a waste of my time. I tend to finish their sentences or rush them to finish what they're saying. Oddly, when you speak of patience, I think of eye contact. I now look people directly in the eye, which clearly makes people uncomfortable but you can read a person so much more clearly by looking directly in to them.

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Lastly, I do feel that this drug causes mania in me when taken continuously (especially after that 4 day period I spoke of). Reading the definition of mania after a few days of taking the drug is like reading about myself and some of the more far-out possibilities don't really seem so far-fetched. However - I don't view this mania as a negative attribute. Given my pre-disposition to depression, mania is a wonderful relief! I'd much rather be manic than depressed, lol. It hasn't reached this point as of yet, but if it does: mania is this lesser of two evils.

 

[Deleted member 175441]

I did concerta after mxe and it kind of went fine, ended up going a little hard but that was after the mxe by far. The concerta definitely reset most "mxe afterglow" cause its notorious for come down shitties.

 

[Deleted member 175441]

LimitbreakerLastly, I do feel that this drug causes mania in me when taken continuously (especially after that 4 day period I spoke of). Reading the definition of mania after a few days of taking the drug is like reading about myself and some of the more far-out possibilities don't really seem so far-fetched. However - I don't view this mania as a negative attribute. Given my pre-disposition to depression, mania is a wonderful relief! I'd much rather be manic than depressed, lol. It hasn't reached this point as of yet, but if it does: mania is this lesser of two evils.

mania isn't a good thing to constantly induce, because theres this thing called kindling where bipolar and shit crosses over with right frontal lobe epilepsy and manias get way closer and rapid cycling etc.

 

[Xavior]

I'm curious how often it is 'safe' to experience the mania... While taking MXE, it was during self-diagnosed periods of mania that I felt I was experiencing the greatest benefit. Mania feels DAMN good, lol. Some of it's effects on me:
- 100% ego boost (some of this carried over as a lasting effect. My ego was almost non-existent before - a good thing in the view of many, but it also meant that I had no confidence in my self or my capabilities, thus the lasting confidence boost that I've experienced)
- Feeling like the world is mine so to speak - that I can do anything. I don't mean that literally, but feeling allows me to open my mind to possibilities that I've been closed to for various reasons.

After re-reading the mania article on Wikipedia (yes it's not an official source for information but I find the summaries to be exceptionally valuable in my day to day life), I've found that what MXE can induce, in me at least, is a state of "hypomania" - or, a lesser state of mania. This state lacks hallucinations, psychotic symptoms, and allows regular functioning in society. An excerpt from Wikipedia on hypomania:
"Possible benefits:

Some commentators believe that hypomania actually has an evolutionary advantage.[5] People with hypomania are generally perceived as being energetic, euphoric, visionary, overflowing with new ideas, and sometimes over-confident and very charismatic, yet—unlike those with full-blown mania—are sufficiently capable of coherent thought and action to participate in everyday activities. Like mania, there seems to be a significant correlation between hypomania and creativity. A person in the state of hypomania might be immune to fear and doubt and have little social and sexual inhibition. People experiencing hypomania are often the "life of the party." They may talk to strangers easily, offer solutions to problems, and find pleasure in small activities. Such advantages may render them unwilling to submit to treatment, especially when disadvantages are minimal."

I don't know about you, but that sounds pretty damn good to me, hahaha. To me, the movie Limitless and MXE are similar. I feel like MXE could be a secret weapon to achieve in this world.

Thoughts?

 

[fly-]

Xavior, the way u are justifing the "beneficial" effects with indirect research about other things is a sure way to addiction.. I didnt noticed but this was affecting my personality and self discipline levels a lot for the 2 months of use, that I decided to quit all together. It lurks very under radar and then I see myself doing like 3 times per week MXE.... Watchout, the worst addictive drugs are the ones u dont see it coming... Just a word of caution.

 

[Limitbreaker]

Hell it is addictive.

Even more when you consider that you're getting virtually no negative effects.

 

[Jakeperson]

Jakeperson, I've come to the personal realization that MXE only shows you the 'light' every now and then. It takes all that has happened to you up to that point and presents it on a platter. If you take it too often, there is nothing really to present and the drug just starts exploring elsewhere. That's why I feel occasional larger doses are far more valuable than smaller frequent ones.

I was doing pretty decent doses every night 100 to 150mg. I too, like you enjoyed the hypo-mania that MXE gave me but that turned into straight mania pretty fast, no where near as pleasant or beneficial.
MXE is addictive as hell, I think that is one of the reasons I did it for 2 weeks straight like that, to see how addictive it can be and if the positive effects would continue throughout the 2 weeks and after.
(BTW, I had planned the 2 week binge beforehand and I really had to force myself through the second week of having horrible experiences every second day at best.

I don't think mania is the lesser of the two evils after having to watch myself put my girlfriend through hell in that second week. I'm glad I wasn't around family because that would have been even worse.

 

[Albion]

Jakeperson, I've come to the personal realization that MXE only shows you the 'light' every now and then. It takes all that has happened to you up to that point and presents it on a platter. If you take it too often, there is nothing really to present and the drug just starts exploring elsewhere. That's why I feel occasional larger doses are far more valuable than smaller frequent ones.

My god you're right! So right! This fits with my own experiences so well.

 

[ColtDan]

the hypomania afterglow for me is like being on some sort of natrual long lasting stimulant, feels clean and nice. love it. might go for a valium + m-hole combo this weekend and enjoy christmas with a nice glow

 

[Limitbreaker]

Hell yeah. Makes me wanna buy more MXE. And I don't have money for such purposes :D

That stimulant aspect is just too good, to be true.

 

[lolusername]

I first tried MXE a few nights ago, and ever since I have been feeling pretty positive, and motivated. It seems to have worked as a legitimate anti-depressant.
Too bad I won't have anymore until after christmas, when I will be getting 2 grams of it.

Would there be any problem with using it only on the weekends for an extended amount of time? How fast do you guys think tolerance would build this way?

I was also surprised at how remarkably similar it felt to DXM. By the end of the night I had done a total of 120mg up my nose holes, and it felt like I was on 700mg of dxm in terms of intensity. It really does seem like a cleaner, more positive version of dxm to me.

 

[ColtDan]

weekend use is fine, tolerance wont build that fast. been doing it most weekends now for many months, tolerance hasn't really gone up by much and haven't experienced any negatives, only nice afterglowing positives

 

[Albion]

weekend use is fine, tolerance wont build that fast. been doing it most weekends now for many months, tolerance hasn't really gone up by much and haven't experienced any negatives, only nice afterglowing positives

I've gotta say that keeping MXE to weekend use sounds like a very good idea. Most of my worst experiences on the stuff have come through consecutive days of use. What Xavior said about the drug running out of experiences to feed off really chimes with me. Do you find that your trips are more positive and enlightening when you space them a week apart?

 

[jazz hands]

The concept of the drug running out of experiences to work with from constant use is common to most psychedelic drugs IME. Cannabis is a totally different drug when used daily or once every few weeks. Psychedelics themselves lose nearly all depth if abused.

 

[psood0nym]

i can´t really describe what just happened.
it was the usual body morphin, tilting, stretching, moving thing
+ eye candy. full hd 3d whatever flying through......things ^^

and i had a guide. it was abed. from the sitcom "community".

I've experimented using many different dissociatives (K, DXM, MXE, 3-Me0-PCP, 4-MeO-PCP, nitrous) and combinations, and for the type of dissociative experience you describe the combo that gives me the highest "signal to noise ratio" is DXM/ondansetron (5HT3 antagonist)/MXE/buprenorphine (350mg/16mg/60mg rectal/0.4 intramuscular w/no opiate tolerance). By signal to noise I mean the most mental hallucinatory effects (audio/visual/lucidity/narrative sense of engagement) and euphoria relative to immobilizing and amnestic effects. I've done the combo twice with the same stunning results (but it's possible I'm just learning better to immerse myself in the effects the more I try, too). I've gotten similar effects using K/psilocin/3-MeO-PCP, MXE alone, and DXM/ondansetron/MXE. The weakest weakest signal to noise ratio (esp. regarding visualizations of the dissociative world variety, as described below, as opposed to the 5HT psychedelic) were from MXE alone.

It's so hard to believe I've shut my eyes sometimes that I habitually move my eyeballs behind my eyelids so I can verify by feeling that the lids are still closed. I'll often experience "dimmer switch" increases and decreases in ambient lighting with eyes closed, changing from oranges to purples to reds, etc. Little points of light appear covering mossy rock forms like phosphorescent fungi, which I glide over smoothly, like a slow first person shooter game "on rails" where I just appreciate the scenery. I think that the little points of light must be my laptop monitor piercing through eyelashes and the the barely open slits of my eyes, so I squish them together tighter, and it's all still there. There are corridors echoing with voices from memory, and as I float through them I become part of new little fantastic stories. It's as though sensation and thought and memory are all woven together and texture mapped on the walls, and as I glide past I rake their surface with a thousand little electric tendrils -- tasting, smelling, and reminiscing -- all tickled and in the thrall of revelation. I writhe around on the couch, fists balled, barely containing a euphoria whose intensity constantly threatens to spill over into madness. God I'm glad I'm so good at using drugs (is that a talent? experiencing drugs well? wish I could parlay that into my career. all my relatives and friends would marvel at my passion and tell me how brilliant I am at indulging myself, and I would say, "damn right, losers"). That said, this is about as addictive a mind state as I've ever encountered. Yeesh.

 

[Xavior]

It's now been about 4 nights since my proper, full dose...the smaller ones that I did recently just didn't do much of anything (20/25mg each night) - and I have to admit that I feel my positive swing waning. It's not gone, but it's no longer 100%, perhaps 60-70% of what it was.

The mind requires conditioning in order for such traits to become permanent and I'm very thankful for what MXE allowed me to feel. Think of antidepressants; they take time to come to effect and generally a patient will stay on them for at least 6 months to a year - long enough for the mind to become conditioned toward positivity and the diffusion of negativity. I intend to continue dosing within that time-frame. Possibly risky, I know - but I'll be watching for lasting negative effects and am actually considering speaking with a psychologist/iatrist as well, my concern is whether or not they would consider me a danger to myself and have me committed, lol.

I'm waiting on 3 separate orders to arrive, had hoped I'd have one by the end of this week, but if not I definitely have one coming on Monday or Tuesday - another 4 days from now! It will be interesting to see at what level my swing will be at by that time. I'll just continue to keep up my positive life-style changes and hope that will maintain it sufficiently. Craving is definitely setting in a bit... lol - not for the experience of being under MXE's influence (though I enjoy it) but for the swing and edge it provides afterwards!

 

[Transcendence]

^You're actually considering telling your psychiatrist that you're self-medicating by getting high everyday on a brand-new, experimental PCP-analog with no history of clinical testing? And you're wondering whether they'll think this is dangerous? I think I can save you some time with that one. Most doctors think that smoking weed on the weekends is a serious detriment to your health.

I took MXE near-daily for a month and I was a wreck by the end of that. When you're fucked up on dissociates constantly you don't "watch for negative effects" because you don't realize there's anything wrong until shit turns disastrous. "Possibly risky"...lol.

Sorry if that's harsh, but please don't do this. So you've found a drug that's fun and seems to have some benefits on the side. Cool. I recommend you treat it as a recreational drug and not a panacea.