The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 5th Dose (you took too much, seriously)

[Delsyd]

^good post phatboy.
thanks

 

[Albion]

You've seen/felt more than any mortal should see/feel. That makes you pretty fucking magical and I know you wanna go back for more...[/I]

Love this statement. Pretty much sums up why substances like MXE are so amazing, but also equally horrifying. You just want to spend every hour of every day in their Nirvana. It's unsettling how such a good place has become the tomb of many decent people, psychologically and physically.

 

[Karcinogenious]

So no one has IVd MXE though? I dont understand why IM is preferred for MXE and Ketamine, does anyone have experience with both ROAs? Just curious, thanks...

 

[wayab]

there are reports for IV on this forum somewhere
i guess the rapid onset and the nature of the effects is what makes people who use needles to what to have a few mins extra to put down the needle and prepare for the trip
i think duration is shortened too ?
a friend who uses needles for everything tells me that for him its easier to achieve a hole on ketamine IMed rather than IV

 

[Karcinogenious]

Yeah I assumed it had something to do with dragging out the action, with IV I guess you wouldn't have time to get comfortable and ride it out

 

[limonov]

Rolodex Propaganda-

You say that you've taken a range of doses, but how have you been taking it? I have found that it is virtually impossible to hole by snorting. When I was first playing around with the substance I snorted over 200mg in a night and didn't come close to going into a hole, about 3-4 days later I plugged 80mg and it blew me the fuck away. I'm no stranger to navigating the k-hole, but seriously, I was blown away by the power of this substance. Methoxetamine seems to be highly variable depending on the ROA- proper 'm-holes' only seem to occur when there is a rapid come up (plugging/IM/IV).

Karcinogenious-

People tend to not IV dissociatives because the effects are just so strong, so abrupt that things have a tendency of going wrong- people sitting round with needles hanging out of their arms, people falling into weird positions (people have gotten nerve damage from passing out in weird positions) and so on. IM gives you a 'grace period' between injecting and effects fully taking hold, which lets you get sit, get comfortable etc. In addition its much harder to get the dosage correct- you'll either lowball it and you won't hole properly (you're just incredibly fucked up) or you'll dose too high, pass out and suffer amnesia- a complete waste of a trip, you black out almost instantly and all you really remember is prepping the shot and then coming down.

 

[Karcinogenious]

Thanks for the response, its what I was looking for...so, from experience, would you say plugging is similar to IMing, I dont want to risk getting an abscess or something..and the needles I have (the 3/10cc insulin kind) are probably too short from what I have read (the needle part cant be longer than around a 1/4in)...

 

[frandjtic]

why do you have to use needles anyway. It works perfectly ok snorting it. It does differ from vendor to vendor and what batch it is etc.

 

[limonov]

Thanks for the response, its what I was looking for...so, from experience, would you say plugging is similar to IMing, I dont want to risk getting an abscess or something..and the needles I have (the 3/10cc insulin kind) are probably too short from what I have read (the needle part cant be longer than around a 1/4in)...

Nah, you need proper IM needles, you need to get needles that are long enough to get through the fat into the muscle. IM is safer than IV (in my opinion), but it requires more skill and is harder to master. I learnt to IM from a fafa (a samoan tranny, she had to give herself hormone shots regularly), so if you don't have anyone to teach you I'd really reccomend that you plug it, about 1mg/kg will put you in a hole unless you've got some huge tolerance. Plugging is pretty similar to IM, it doesn't hit quite as fast or hard, but if you get the dosage right the experience is just as intense and valuable as IM. Besides, it's just a lot less effort.

If you do decide to try IM you MUST use a wheel filter- injecting particles of anything directly into a muscle is even worse than putting it into your veins. You'll also still be able to move around while in the m-hole (unlike K), so you'l want to plan accordingly and/or get yourself a trip sitter to watch over you, answer your questions and roll your cigarettes.

frandjtic-

Because as I said, you get different effects from different routes of administration- in general if I'm hanging out with other people, going to a gig or anything that involves being out and about I'll snort it or swallow it- if I'm at home by myself or if I want a particularly immersive/strong trip I'll plug/IM. All of the MXE I've taken has been from a single, highly reputable, source-it genuinely exerts different effects depending on the ROA,

 

[ColtDan]

FIRST THOUGHTS AND SECOND CHANCES

I got a load of this when it first come out and initially found it quite interesting, but there were things about it i weren't too sure about. As i said at the time theres something quite psychotic about it, far moreso than K. After a few mad sessions on it, i came to the decision i'd learnt all i could about it, i felt it lacked a lot of the depth of a good K-hole and the lingering after effects were just a little too long and annoying. One-trick-pony I think I called it and stashed it away somewhere lonely and ignored.

Anyway a few months ago I thought I'd give it another chance, bit of a K drowt, that dodgy shit will do. I told myself not to go too crazy this time and whadya know, i found some new love in it (mixed it up with Butylone, good little combo, see my post in the appropriate thread). It seemed i was wrong to dismiss this interesting multi-faceted sneaky little fucker!

TAKE IT EASY, AND IT WILL BE GREAT

There are some drugs i have major respect for: Acid, because its a serious commitment, DMT because its so full-on, benzos in general cos of the dependency (I'm sure you have a few drugs you could nominate here for your own reasons). But most of the time i just go fuck it, sniff it, see what happens today, Coke, Drone, Ket are all good examples of this.

I've realised now that MXE (Mox as we call it round here) is one to be respected. Nice reasonable size lines are good, but rather than every ten minutes I try to give it an hour between em. Soon enough i'm gently/messily finding myself in a world of much peace and happiness, with a fair bit of the good old wobble-wierd for entertainment. In many ways it reminds me of when I used to do K almost 24/7. Some kinda make-believe world that feels so good where i can do anything and its all kinda great, somewhere i never want to leave.

The loved-up feeling i get from mox is unlike anything else, sorta like that first E but not, different in a slightly ketty-everythings-great kinda way. Both me and my Mrs have really taken a magical rediscovery of this. The psychotic edge seems to have subsided (but i know its there, its had a few minutes in the spotlight) but taking it all slower seems to help.

Of course it aint for everyone, i've heard of bad experiences, think i even heard the usual "blue knees" story resurface. But I think its important to respect this drug. Etizolam seems to be good for easing it all off a bit if you do find it too much.

ADDICTION?

I'm certain this is addictive in much the same way as Ketamine, everythings so great on it and seems so horrible when you come off it that all you wanna do is stay moxified. Like I said I've been there with K and went through "withdrawals" (might have worsened since i'd built up a minor Valium habit which i kicked the same time),so I really do know how hard it is to come off something like this. Emotions are sinking, wanting to scream, fight, cry or whatever it is you do when you're this low. You go outside but the real-world seems a million times worse in every way, its all so fast, people running at a thousand miles an hour...for what?! Everything is in your face, everyone is in your space, society is full of idiots and arseholes, and no-one else knows or gets it cos they haven't been where you've been and seen how it really is. They're all ignorant, but you know, you can't articulate it but you know it, so fuck them. Let them have their little life, never questioning, never wanting to know. You've seen/felt more than any mortal should see/feel. That makes you pretty fucking magical and I know you wanna go back for more but not today. Hopefully not tomorrow either.

Sadly the real world is shit but you'll get used it again.

I admit I've drawn more from my own K withdrawal experience (which followed several months of every day) and my own feelings following a few Mox benders. With a little bit of my own bad attitude thrown in. But for those hooked and trying to get off this I'm sure your experiences are not all that different. If it does seem at all similar I won't lie and say its easy but it sure aint impossible I can't tell you what to do next, theres different ways to deal with it, and its a personal thing, you have to find the right solution for you.

On a happy note remember with respect and reason, an occasional Mox/MXE sesh with someone you love or people your close to can be amazing, life-changing even, but not if its everyday.

excellent post. thankyou.

 

[sekio]

Using a wheel filter is not unnecessary, especially with injection drug usage. Microbes in the water will still be there if you're only using a cotton filter.

Doing a correct, painless IM is just as hard as IV dosing.

 

[IamMe90]

No no no. Not correct and you have that backwards. IV requires more skill and is harder to master than IV. Also you MUST NOT use a goddamn wheel filter as this is TOTALLY and completely unnescessary8)

This post should be deleted it's such awful HR. Like seriously, you're recommending against someone using a micron filter to inject research chemicals? Ugh..

 

[the toad]

Hey can't we discuss these things without name calling? Maybe your right maybe he's wrong but who will ever know if it turns into a pissing match....

 

[suckerbunnie]

Hey can't we discuss these things without name calling? Maybe your right maybe he's wrong but who will ever know if it turns into a pissing match....

Maybe so. I guess I just don't feel any need to pull punches when somebody calls me an idiot, especially when I know for a fact that they are talking out of their ass.

 

[Delsyd]

Suckerbunniethe fact is you are wrong. For harm reduction purposes a filter is necessary. Just because nothing bad has happened to you yet because your not using one doesn't mean it can't. It's safer to always use a filter. Also whether IVing or IMing is more difficult. Neither is rocket science and is easy to master after a few tries. IMO IVing is easier but I can see it being difficult for some people, especially those with thin veins. I personally do t like IMing anything because it leaves the spot sore like I got punched in my butt cheek or thigh or wherever the shot was administered.

 

[IamMe90]

Maybe so. I guess I just don't feel any need to pull punches when somebody calls me an idiot, especially when I know for a fact that they are talking out of their ass.

Talking out of their ass? Do you know what abscesses are and how they are formed, and what kind of infections can arise from them? Do you REALLY think that "just because something hasn't happened to me yet, nothing can happen" is good logic? Holy... 8)

I think you're not grasping some subtleties here, like the fact that "necessary," doesn't mean IF YOU DON'T USE A MICRON FILTER U WILL GET AN ABSCESS AND DIE, it means that if one wants to take basic precautions to reduce the risk of infection, they should use a fucking micron filter. Go look up the relevant data and you'll see that people have, and do die from infections resulting out of abscesses from improper sterilization techniques. That's not arguable.

But, if you want to see the disparity between the kind of arguments being made right now, just look at who pulled out cocksucker. A little insecure about being called an idiot? 8)

But no, I'm sure every piece of relevant medical literature and ever medical safety procedural standard when it comes to IM injection is simply a conspiracy to waste 30 minutes of suckerbunnie's time. Lol

 

[the toad]

I never used micron filters because they weren't readily available but they should be used whenever possible...

It only takes one time for some tiny chunk of shit to get in there and then your fucked...

Thereis a meggathread on here about micron filtering... anyone who says its unneccesary or pointless should go have a look at it...

 

[zirbeldude]

so i did mxe 3 times and i really like it.
but i´m having a little trouble with finding the right dosage.
roa was allways sublingual.

i wrote about my first time a few pages back.

second time i did 30mg initial which was at first unpleasent but then really enjoyable, i wanted to get more effects and took one hour after the initial dose 5 mg and then later another 5 which didnt do anything.

the third time i took 25mg initial and that was an almost perfect come up. it felt really good.
it really felt like chrystallized christmas like someone said. i looked outside the window and the look of the streetlights really added to this christmas thing.
i would have enjoyed it like it was but wanted more.
i wanted to be able to close my eyes and drift into other worlds whilst listening to music.
which was alway my favorite activity on dxm.

so i took 12 mg mg about an hour after the initial 25mg. and 5mg 40 minutes or so after the 12mg.
it intensified the feeling a bit..mostly the facenumbing...which feels awesome..little bit like nitrous.
and i became more stimulated...
it was fun to chat with people, practicing my hobby cardistry
( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdiuNLEO5aAwatching )
watching "24" and "meet the robinsons".

later i switched out the commode light, put on some ott and closed my eyes.
i layed there for a while and got little body distortions, but i had to focus on that.
when i focused on my vision (eyes closed) i got something. it took a while and was very very mild.
later on the comedown i took 2mg ativan like the last times, because i was restless and watched
"how i met your mother" till i fell asleep.


so. this may sound negative and that i´m moaning.
but i have to say that i really enjoy this drug. i loved dxm and this here is superior.

my problem is that i am afraid to dose higher. but want to get more effects. :D

i dont want to hole, i just want some cev´s/hypnagogic imagery, fly through music worlds and overall enjoy music more, like i would on dxm.

i thought about doing 20mg and then 20mg an hour later. or use rectal administration...but unsure about dosage. i just don´t know. maybe i should stick to 25mg and enjoy it as it is.

 

[sn23]

Ah, time for a question that seems appropriate now.

How secure do you feel, when you use a microfilter? Or asked another way: How high would you estimate the residual risk for infection if the solution is properly microfiltered?

Because i once injected a microfiltered Methoxetamine solution intramuscularly (sole time I injected myself) and got symptoms like swollen lymph nodes at the neck and fever a few days later, which turned out to be a Epstein-Barr-Virus infection. I understand that this illness has a longer time to manifest and I know it could have been totally coincidental but it gave me a whole lot to think about.

To add some ontopic information: the dose was at 20 milligrams without tolerance and was significantly stronger than the same amount insufflated/sublingual. A few minutes after the administration I found myself pacing forth and back in a sudden state of confusion until I realized the substance was already in full action and I somehow missed the takeoff
Then I resettled to the bed in darkness with headphones on and had an amazing flight. Deep insights into my processing and recognition of patterns (i.e. faces), how they are linked to memories (to what person that face belongs and connotations with that person) and an almost-connection to the bee hive, if that makes sense.

 

[sekio]

Viral particles can pass micron filters, so it's entirely possible you inoculated yourself with EBV. Microns are only good against bacteria and fungi. It could also have been contracted earlier, though.
At least your immune system won't have to deal with that variant again?

Also, what is a typical duration of primary and residual effects with a single dose? Is the half life really almost twice as long as K? (Erowid suggests so, and all the reports I can find are 20mg.. and then 10mg... and then anotther 20... etc)