The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 5th Dose (you took too much, seriously)

[PsychedelicPeptide]

any recommendations on how not to "ruin" a drug for oneself?

The absolute best habit I have found to prevent excess drug use is to commit yourself to personal health (high quality diet) and most specifically exercise, 4 to 5 times a week. I'm not talking a walk in the park either: get a gym membership or build one in your garage. Then commit to an hour-long or more bout with weights (especially free weights, anything difficult) and doing intense cardio (running, running and more running) work every week day.

The thing is, if you truly get yourself to care and improve your health, you won't be able to do it high on drugs or on a comedown. Exercising on something like MXE, or even drugs like benzos, ambien, opiates and extending really into strong stimulants like amphetamines as well just doesn't work well. Additionally exercise on the day or two after heavy use of a drug like MXE is going to be a lot harder. You can do it, but you will be slacking.

So you can use your commitment to exercise to help keep you off the drugs, or at least until Friday night comes around. Then go balls out and get the most out of the experience. And if you want, go balls out Saturday night too. Just remember rest Sunday and get back to your schedule on Monday.

The time exercising will help immensely at repairing your mind (due to increasing blood flow, speeding repair processes) and restrengthening your body in preparation for the next drug experience. If you think about it, you are doing them to help each other so that in the end you get the most from the drug experience and maintain your health simultaneously. In my opinion, this is how it has to be done, else you will end up excessively burnt out at some point, addicted, dysfunctional, etc. even from use every weekend for weeks on end. The brain just needs the blood flow stimulation...

And of course you can not do it, whatever that's fine, but expect to pay the price eventually. I do it just like I wrote it up though. It's not perfect and it is hard at times, but sitting on your ass doing drugs all the time is must worse.

Just an additional factoid, I've heard tribal people in the Amazon/wherever far South strongly believe in preparing their body physically for their intense spiritual drug experiences.

 

[thikal]

Whow I'm totally agree with you mate! Binging on strong stimulants without sport to strengthen the body is a totally nonsense for me. The first time I drove myself to abuse GBL was when I stopped running 4 days a week to zero. To speak about MXE, I don't find a great afterglow at all like salvia for example. Maybe I took too low doses (never more than 20 plugged), but I'm a beginner in the dissociative land so I want to start slowly. I've notice something strange too: MXE seems to bring my GBL euphoria back. I tried memantine and DXM to lower my tolerance to GBL (I was taking 2,8mL at the end, started at 1,5mL). With a memantine cure of 4/5 weeks I was again at 1,5mL, the physical tolerance was lowerded, but euphoria and aphrodisiacs effets weren't there. I've to think at this more and wait a bit more time to say a conclusion, but it's seems really interested!

 

[Timland]

Oh yes, the afterglow. Very lovely. Lasts a whole day after for me. Lingering dopamine modulation from metabolites perhaps?

And to think the psychiatric industry doesn't use this glorious substance to treat depression and anxiety just because it has so-called "abuse" potential. What does it matter if it makes a patient function and enjoy life rather than stay reclusive and wish for the end? I hope the day of enlightenment nears for the establishment and its supporters.

 

[ColtDan]

because it also has the potential to induce depression and possibly push somebody to suicide

anyone tried meditating on this? i full on reached some sort of enlightened inner peace when meditating on this. felt like some sort of a budda

 

[TestOfSanity]

The other day was interesting, trying to explain predictive text messaging to my dad, while everything appears to be lit up by a fast strobe light. Definitely a nighttime drug at higher doses.

Now that I've used mxe a fair bit, i'm starting to notice annoying stimulation that persists for a few hours after the main effects have worn off. Maybe this is a sign that i'm taking it too often.

 

[the toad]

Yup I had the same issues with the lingering stimulation with overuse... a few times a month seems ok for me and gets the fun awesomeness back...

 

[ColtDan]

i quite like the stimulation, feels smooth and clean. if it becomes a hindrance then benzos sort it out

 

[TestOfSanity]

i quite like the stimulation, feels smooth and clean. if it becomes a hindrance then benzos sort it out

Yeah it's not a terrible teeth grinding stimulation, but it gets old after awhile. I don't have any benzo's on hand, I'm thinking about getting some phenazepam to have on hand.

 

[yepyepwoah]

I used to post on BL a lot back in the "day" (my alcholic pill head days). Quit drinkin about a year and a half ago, and haven't used any drug besides marijuana (besides .5mg xanax to sleep every few weeks or so) in about two years, Have been really wanting some type of psychedelic trip recently, feeling sorta "stuck". Everything is good, school is good, work good, me good. Just sorta missing any direction. Was looking at mushroom trip reports about a week ago and kept seeing MXE reports. Read a few and then spent the next five hours devouring every word I could find about the substance

Have looked at a few vendors and other web sites trying to determine shadyness of said vendors. Have put off ordering any because I'm scared of becomming one of the "YO IT'S A MIRACLE I'M AWESOME AGAIN" people. Even wrote a bit for my creative writing class about it, took out the chemical name before I posted it though as to not have my classmates call LEO on me. hahaha.

What to do, what to do?!

 

[aveoturbo]

Just recieved my first 1/2 gram of MXE and have began to play with it. I have no scale to measure with so I am just guessing quantities. I rubbed a small amount on my gums at 1600, then at 1630 I snorted some mixed with some ambien powder. Still not noticing too much other than feeling a bit light on my feet. will probably do another small bump in about 20 mins or so. I dont want to leave the planet tonight, just get to a nice cozy place.

 

[Na'vi]

Yeah it's not a terrible teeth grinding stimulation, but it gets old after awhile. I don't have any benzo's on hand, I'm thinking about getting some phenazepam to have on hand.

Be very careful with phenazepam, it's caused a lot of people big problems from it's strength and half life. Might be a safer option to go for some etizolam (unless you're already familiar and comfortable with phenazepam, in which case just ignore me ).

 

[Jakeperson]

This thread is nearly always at the top in PD.

And the comments are nearly always the same from different people. They are either:

a. I did too much
b. This is a magic/ miracle drug
c. i think im doing too much / addicted.

Sounds like when cocaine first appeared, no?

MXE reminds me of cocaine so much but Im not really sure why..

 

[Darksidesam]

Just recieved my first 1/2 gram of MXE and have began to play with it. I have no scale to measure with so I am just guessing quantities. I rubbed a small amount on my gums at 1600, then at 1630 I snorted some mixed with some ambien powder. Still not noticing too much other than feeling a bit light on my feet. will probably do another small bump in about 20 mins or so. I dont want to leave the planet tonight, just get to a nice cozy place.

Takes ages to come up on it really.
I found when the drip hits i can start to feel effects then

 

[missimoo]

Yes. i agree thats a perceived pattern

MXE reminds me of cocaine so much but Im not really sure why.


This thread is nearly always at the top in PD.

And the comments are nearly always the same from different people. They are either:

a. I did too much
b. This is a magic/ miracle drug
c. I think im doing too much / addicted.

As regards Cocaine. By far NO. I disagree. It is addictive, but it is by no means as Moorish as cocaine. i havnt read a single report of someone sat with a big bag of MXE (the got on credit because the spent all their giro on MXE) taking it until it runs out...which is what you do with coke. no matter how much coke you buy. you will take. compulsively. even though this is addictive (without a doubt....its nowhere near as bad as coke or even methadrone. was. certainly not for me. unlike my past coke habit, i am paying my bills, working, maintaining a social and love life. and all my bills, daily chores etc. it isn't a NEGATIVE impact on my life. (maybe the tinnitus ...which is almost gone after a 5 day break...the fact that i am the biggest user i know, and i regularly have weeks on end without using it. ...says..its not like cocaine)

I drink beer 4 days a week. im not an alcoholic. But I do look forward to it (just something to think about).

I wouldn't put this in the same league as cocaine. At all. Maybe in-terms of debilitating effect on cognitive and physical functions. it's a strong drug. But in terms of craving, fiending etc. I cant see junkies in the street turning tricks for a line of MXE. whereas.…

as far as "i took too much" were using more and more. but i see pattern with my use and other long term users. use goes up with tolerance, yet doesn't go much higher then a certain dose. i max at a gram in a session, which was my highest level for a while, now increasingly much less, not out of "deliberately trying to give up" ..just a "meh". a natural lose of interest.. i havnt heard any more then that. and like my use, it went with an initial "honymoon" period where i was using all the time. then. slowly. with increasingly long periods of time between uses from what was daily at one stage. weeks go by without use now less and less. it becomes dull. the magic goes. its rutine. (i have never heard anyone say that about cocaine)....

in addiction. ive only read on anecdotal story of someone ending up in hospital on it (daily mail)..but they woke up with no problems. ...and the only reported death (which i have no reference for ..only chinese whispers via bluelight) came from someone who had injected it with a fatal dose of a drug that doesnt interact. both fatal doses. swedish women. allegedly. probably the same (one and only) swedish woman they reported died from methadrone but had actually taken fatal a drug cocktail including crystal meth etc. IV) when we start reading "my son died", "i lost my job"..."i lost my wife/husband"..."i got in 30k of debt" ...or people are ending up in psychiatric care (most likely of the list)...then i would say "we took too much"/ its like cocaine.

as far as "magical" YES! it is. trips always seem to have a mystical theme. im a scientist so id call it a "theme" , but psychedelic drugs have been used for religious purposes for thousands of years. its easy to see why. seeing god after a line of powder beats vomiting in the street after a few pints.

 

[Onandoff]

The absolute best habit I have found to prevent excess drug use is to commit yourself to personal health (high quality diet) and most specifically exercise, 4 to 5 times a week. I'm not talking a walk in the park either: get a gym membership or build one in your garage. Then commit to an hour-long or more bout with weights (especially free weights, anything difficult) and doing intense cardio (running, running and more running) work every week day.

The thing is, if you truly get yourself to care and improve your health, you won't be able to do it high on drugs or on a comedown. Exercising on something like MXE, or even drugs like benzos, ambien, opiates and extending really into strong stimulants like amphetamines as well just doesn't work well. Additionally exercise on the day or two after heavy use of a drug like MXE is going to be a lot harder. You can do it, but you will be slacking.

So you can use your commitment to exercise to help keep you off the drugs, or at least until Friday night comes around. Then go balls out and get the most out of the experience. And if you want, go balls out Saturday night too. Just remember rest Sunday and get back to your schedule on Monday.

The time exercising will help immensely at repairing your mind (due to increasing blood flow, speeding repair processes) and restrengthening your body in preparation for the next drug experience. If you think about it, you are doing them to help each other so that in the end you get the most from the drug experience and maintain your health simultaneously. In my opinion, this is how it has to be done, else you will end up excessively burnt out at some point, addicted, dysfunctional, etc. even from use every weekend for weeks on end. The brain just needs the blood flow stimulation...

And of course you can not do it, whatever that's fine, but expect to pay the price eventually. I do it just like I wrote it up though. It's not perfect and it is hard at times, but sitting on your ass doing drugs all the time is must worse.

Just an additional factoid, I've heard tribal people in the Amazon/wherever far South strongly believe in preparing their body physically for their intense spiritual drug experiences.

This.
Thanks for the good post.

 

[thikal]

Begginer in meditation, I felt that MXE increase my capacity to meditate to a ridiculuss lever. Just sit in the lotus position, and I'm already in a mental state peacer than all my sessions without drugs. It increase dissociatives effects also. But I force myself not meditate with chemical in my system. That's not the goal, but that can be interesting and funny anyways

 

[NotQuiteThere]

The absolute best habit I have found to prevent excess drug use is to commit yourself to personal health (high quality diet) and most specifically exercise, 4 to 5 times a week. I'm not talking a walk in the park either: get a gym membership or build one in your garage. Then commit to an hour-long or more bout with weights (especially free weights, anything difficult) and doing intense cardio (running, running and more running) work every week day.

The thing is, if you truly get yourself to care and improve your health, you won't be able to do it high on drugs or on a comedown. Exercising on something like MXE, or even drugs like benzos, ambien, opiates and extending really into strong stimulants like amphetamines as well just doesn't work well. Additionally exercise on the day or two after heavy use of a drug like MXE is going to be a lot harder. You can do it, but you will be slacking.

So you can use your commitment to exercise to help keep you off the drugs, or at least until Friday night comes around. Then go balls out and get the most out of the experience. And if you want, go balls out Saturday night too. Just remember rest Sunday and get back to your schedule on Monday.

The time exercising will help immensely at repairing your mind (due to increasing blood flow, speeding repair processes) and restrengthening your body in preparation for the next drug experience. If you think about it, you are doing them to help each other so that in the end you get the most from the drug experience and maintain your health simultaneously. In my opinion, this is how it has to be done, else you will end up excessively burnt out at some point, addicted, dysfunctional, etc. even from use every weekend for weeks on end. The brain just needs the blood flow stimulation...

And of course you can not do it, whatever that's fine, but expect to pay the price eventually. I do it just like I wrote it up though. It's not perfect and it is hard at times, but sitting on your ass doing drugs all the time is must worse.

Just an additional factoid, I've heard tribal people in the Amazon/wherever far South strongly believe in preparing their body physically for their intense spiritual drug experiences.

Thanks for the great post - you sound like my doctor (in a good way) - he always refused to prescribe me adderall or klonopin when I complained of ADD/Anxiety until I was exercising regularly/eating well/getting enough sleep - otherwise I'd just be using an addictive substance to substitute for poor habits and not get anywhere. I see the same with this - although the benefit I got was so astounding that I'm not really interested in it recreationally (well I am, but I'll have to control myself) but rather therapeutically. I'm definitely going to stick by my workout regimen and continue with my vitamins/eating habits.

I find that small doses (I'm guessing about 10 ish mg - don't have scale yet) allow me to be functional yet bring me into a state I haven't felt in YEARS - one where I actually am able to believe in myself and do things. I recognize this is dangerous obviously due to addiction potential and lack of information about the substance.

What I'm going to do - as soon as my scale and gelcaps arrive, I'm going to divide this into pills at 5, 10, 15, and 20mg doses, give them to someone else to control, and then try taking it on a regular but controlled basis for a bit (maybe one in the morning or every other morning) and document everything in another thread daily. If shit gets out of whack then I'll contribute to the info on this substance I guess and if it doesn't maybe I'll figure out a way this can be used therapeutically. Because seriously, if this replaces adderall, klonopin (which I'm prescribed) as well as things like alcohol in my life I think that's harm reduction. Adderall/Benzos are not exactly health food either when taken regularly.

 

[NotQuiteThere]

Adding to that last post, I'll point out that I can see this shit is EXTREMELY addictive. I find myself able to control all of my cravings, except the craving to take more of it while I'm on it. That's why I'm putting it in pills and am only going to allow a trusted person to give me one a day (though I will decide the dosage) for a few weeks - then I will decide if I feel this is adequate or if I need to adjust the rules later on.

Hopefully my enjoyment of having a solid credit rating will prevent me from cheating and ordering a secret stash for myself.

 

[NotQuiteThere]

Begginer in meditation, I felt that MXE increase my capacity to meditate to a ridiculuss lever. Just sit in the lotus position, and I'm already in a mental state peacer than all my sessions without drugs. It increase dissociatives effects also. But I force myself not meditate with chemical in my system. That's not the goal, but that can be interesting and funny anyways

Be careful about meditating on dissociatives - I've spent several months at zen monasteries in the past on a few occasions - they can give you a very false sense of enlightenment. If you think of the nature of dissociative drugs in the brain - namely the partial separation of conscious and subconscious, and the goal of meditation, to use one to observe the other (at least mindfulness meditation) - you'll quickly figure out that these drugs can make you feel enlightened almost immediately, but you're actually not at all there. True 'enlightenment' persists without drugs and is a different state.

I've meditated on this too and it's certainly relaxing, but I feel that it is of limited benefit in that regard. You should as you said try to meditate without it as well.

Source: weeks spent trying to meditate on ketamine with zero results (in fact I went backwards because I thought I was farther along than I really was)

 

[ColtDan]

imagine trying to play Twister on MXE... lol that would be fucking twisted