The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 2nd Dissociation

[Shambles]

Ha! Glad to be of service, Knock

But that is just my opinion and experience and am certainly no doctor or owt. If you really are concerned about it in future then careful dose titration - even a sitter if you're really worried - would be wise, perhaps.

 

[knock]

Ha! Glad to be of service, Knock

But that is just my opinion and experience and am certainly no doctor or owt. If you really are concerned about it in future then careful dose titration - even a sitter if you're really worried - would be wise, perhaps.

I'm not overly worried. It's just something I've not experienced before, this is the largest quantity of MXE I've had and the most mind-twisting experience I've had on pretty much any drug. I have been considering IM'ing this and ketamine, because I love the dissociative experience so much and also the afterglow it gives me for days, and would like to take it as far as possible, but if it's going to suffocate me then I would have to be very committed. I think I will dabble around this level, sub-lingual, for a while and get to understand exactly what is happening before doing the suicide dose, though. Obviously I jest.

 

[Shambles]

Hehe. FWIW I regularly IM 300-400mg of ketamine with no problem (but some considerable tolerance ) and have taken Methox up to 200-300mg IM with similar lack of concern. Go slow and get a feel for what dose and which ROA suits you best would be the obvious advice. IM is definitely my favourite ROA for dissociatives in general though - so clean feeling. Especially compared with snorting. Sublingual lies somewhere inbetween with ManxKat, imo, ime, dmt, xtc, lsd, etc. And is obviously totally pointless with ket unless you dose at insane levels to feel anything.

The doses of ketamine used medicinally are way higher than even the most tolerant of us use recreationally so overdose really shouldn't be any concern whatsoever. MyXieKatosis is not used medicinally but feels pretty much as "safe" to me even at high dose subjectively.

 

[pino]

Cold? Really? I'd say quite the opposite. Ket is kold. MaxKum is pure cartoonland snuggletime stuff.

I was in such a mood already and then it made it worse. I have had some cool trips now.

One time I (almost) holed, while having sex with my girlfriend. This was awesome. It doesn't lock you down like ketamine in higher dosages. (120mg). Synesthesia was noticed. Every touch translated itself into a new color, sound, thought, distortion or object in a morphing alien landscape. When she came, I could feel it too. I lost my ego for a couple of seconds. I think I peaked. I didn't come myself. Which was intriguing, because I thought for a couple of seconds that I was her. This is cool stuff.

The biggest negative side is the long duration. It takes half a day to get really down. The stimulation is also a bit excessive for a dissociative. And that it is quite unknown, of course...

 

[abore]

Heres my weird story for the day.

Yesterday I had the company of a lovely lady cat (literal feline) who followed me to my apartment. I IM'd some MXE (multiple times throughout the night...) and we head-bumped, played with each other's tails/hands and rolled around on the bed in my front-room. We enjoyed each other's company.
I was contemplating on how I hope aborette (my gf who I live with, and who is asleep) is my final lover, but then somehow I came to the conclusion that she would not be.. Maurice would be. This was disheartening. I hadn't met Maurice yet and I googled WHO IS MAURICE to no avail.
The cat starts scratching on the door to go out so I let her out, but she waits for me. I follow and we walk all the way downstairs and she lets me watch her piss (what an honor) in the yard downstairs. We start going back upstairs and a guy on the 4th floor is jingling his keys saying "Morris... Morris, c'mere. You aren't gonna walk up all those stairs. Morris.." The cat looks at me and I just keep walking to my apartment; and she wanders off to eat the food of the man who calls her Morris.

What the fuck is going on?

 

[incognition]

Prolly means you will become crazy and live alone with 24 cats in your apartment.


Btw, is your girlfriend human?

 

[nopipesdfw]

btw, is your girlfriend human?

 

[abore]

In what sense would I be alone if I have 24 cats?

My girlfriend is a potato. Are you trying to define my love for me? Everyone is different. The love between a man and a root is every bit as real as the love between a man and any other plant so don't try and change my opinion on things. We may have to agree to disagree.

Reality dictates that I've heard this cat being called by its name before, and just not realized it. lol. The sex was good none-the-less.

 

[incognition]

In what sense would I be alone if I have 24 cats?

My girlfriend is a potato. Are you trying to define my love for me? Everyone is different. The love between a man and a root is every bit as real as the love between a man and any other plant so don't try and change my opinion on things. We may have to agree to disagree.

Reality dictates that I've heard this cat being called by its name before, and just not realized it. lol. The sex was good none-the-less.

Haha. Your explanation sounds plausible.

I love to spend time with animals on dissociatives. Not strange, as i often feel reduced to something very primitive myself. My dog loves when i'm on the mox.

 

[f1ct]

IM Prep

When you folks prep this for IM, are you putting it through a .22 micron wheel filter, or any filtration at all? I have access to .45 micron sterile, which won't filter microbes, and I'm wondering if that'll suffice.

 

[Eye]

Also my balls are abit sore

Had to chortle at this one...

 

[abore]

When you folks prep this for IM, are you putting it through a .22 micron wheel filter, or any filtration at all? I have access to .45 micron sterile, which won't filter microbes, and I'm wondering if that'll suffice.

I personally use pieces of q-tip and faith in the Lord as our Father for filtration and am doing very well.

 

[f1ct]

Anyone else care to chime in about proper IM injection techniques? What kind of filtration is realistically sufficient?

 

[sidthesloth]

I did this today for the first time. aMT + MXE = hellafuntimes! Just be aware that you will not be able to focus or see anything. Everything will become a blurry, swirly mess.

doses pete? dont really won't a blur maybe do 25mg freebase and give the other half to my woman so generous of me. just some AMT flavour in the background while i get MXEed will probs do some k that night aswell. plus alot of cannabis. fuck i love raves :D

but yh doses please petey
sorry i'm rambling but ritalin some how crawled its powdery body into my nose

 

[Solipsis]

I never used IM for anything but common logic would tell you a couple of things:

for solid material of the actual compound itself:
it depends on how well your compound dissolves in water, some compounds may benefit from the assistance of a drop of vinegar for instance (only a tiny bit of course) to help it dissolve. If your compound is known to dissolve nice and well in water then cottonwool should be enough, otherwise if you have a compound that dissolves only with limit you'd better use a wheel filter to get all the microscopic shit out, you don't want that in your muscle.

considering bacteria and other germs:
You should use bacteriostatic water or otherwise dissolve your compound then put it in a vial and nuke the shit out of it. If not then use a 10 micron wheel filter IIRC. Personally I never went ahead with dissolving my ketamine crystal because I could not find wheel filters in my local area. It was only later that I found a domestic website that had them.
I know there are enough people who do without them but I'd want wheel filters. Regardless I won't be IMing anything and if I will at one point it will be the sterile liquid ketamine vial there is still waiting for me.

does anyone know what the likely metabolites of mxe are. its just that i have a dvla medical in march including blood and urine analysis to get my license back. is it possible that mxe could give a positive test for ketamine as their structually similar ??

I wouldn´t use MXE before that test, at least like two weeks I think. Someone said ketamine does not have the chlorine group (it doesn't have the methoxy group either on the phenyl) but I am not all convinced that it cannot show a false-positive considering norketamine and normet(h)oxetamine are so similar, assuming MXE will first have the N-ethyl group cleaved.

Ketamine is not in a normal 10-panel test but PCP is and that is also in the same category of arylcyclohexylamines as ketamine and metoxetamine. It is not unthinkable that you will test false positive. Let me check if anyone who used ketamine got a false-positive for PCP in a 10-panel.
edit: okay that doesn't seem to be the case, granted - but the question remains if you are willing to chance if they test for K or not.

 

[amanitadine]

In the interest of harm reduction a .22 micron filter is necessary for your safety.

In the interest of reality filtering through a wadded up q-tip after heating to just below boiling is more than adequate. I've been injecting dissociatives intramuscularly for 15 years with nary a problem with this approach. (as well as a good several years of injecting less savory, dirtier shit with no problems either ) Not really rec'd, but it seems to work ok for most if you are unable to acquire wheel filters.

And the drug testing question (not allowed! ).......If they do test for ketamine (and that is a real big if....very unlikely) they will be testing for the gluconurate. This will be an enzyme test, followed by a GC/MS. And it is a possibility the EMIT could show the MXE as K, but impossible for the GC/MS, and this last one is what is required for a positive. You should be fine.

And the "respiratory depression"....Ketamine can both depress and stimulate breathing. But at normal doses there is no considerable depression. But there can be an "apnea" style situation, that can feel and sound like respiratory depression, and can depress O2 levels, but not to a significant degree, unless combined with other depressants. I've experienced this with ketamine and MXE, and it feels or sounds more dramatic than it is. It really sounds like some labored breathing, but I have a feeling your O2 sat is only down a few points if at all.

The MOR activity question again....I dunno. It is all speculation still. It sure doesn't seem like MXE has any appreciable effect on the MOR, for the reasons I've stated earlier in the thread. But from a SAR perspective it sure could. Look at tramadol. and then look at methoxetamine, very similar in some ways, especially the supposed MOR pharmacophore for tramadol. that 3-MeO group. This is demethylated in tramadol, creating a stronger agonist. (and happens in codeine to morphine too) This could be happening with MXE, producing 3-HO-MXE. This could be a more potent agonist, or an antagonist, or neither. We don't know But me thinks it doesn't activate the mu to any noticeable degree.

Cheers

 

[sidestyle]

I have recently come across a quantity of 2c-e and have been wondering about possibly trying a combination with mxe. I read a report where someone was doing Valium, drinking alcohol, and was insufflating 2c-e and mxe but I would be interested in orally administering 2c-e and either orally or intranasally administering the mxe. I also would not want to be on benzos or under the influence of alcohol as this greatly diminishes the experience for me. Does anyone have suggestions on dose, cautions, or speculations on the experience? Also, what might be some good things to do while under the influence?

 

[Shambles]

^ I don't see why not. Haven't mixed it with 2C-E myself but went great with 2C-B and 2C-D. Could imagine it adding a nice softening effect to 2C-E as it can be a bit sombre on its own sometimes and MXE is definitely a partytime kinda drug for me. Doses would be down to you really but I used my normal doses of both - didn't seem necessary to adjust them really as it's more of a synergistic effect than a cumulative one. I would presume that that would apply to 2C-E too and would be how I approached it if I tried the combo. Which I might sometime come to think of it - only got a smidge of 2C-E left and never really combo'd it up with owt before...

In the interest of harm reduction a .22 micron filter is necessary for your safety.

In the interest of reality filtering through a wadded up q-tip after heating to just below boiling is more than adequate. I've been injecting dissociatives intramuscularly for 15 years with nary a problem with this approach. (as well as a good several years of injecting less savory, dirtier shit with no problems either ) Not really rec'd, but it seems to work ok for most if you are unable to acquire wheel filters.

Seconded.

 

[f1ct]

I never used IM for anything but common logic would tell you a couple of things:

for solid material of the actual compound itself:
it depends on how well your compound dissolves in water, some compounds may benefit from the assistance of a drop of vinegar for instance (only a tiny bit of course) to help it dissolve. If your compound is known to dissolve nice and well in water then cottonwool should be enough, otherwise if you have a compound that dissolves only with limit you'd better use a wheel filter to get all the microscopic shit out, you don't want that in your muscle.

considering bacteria and other germs:
You should use bacteriostatic water or otherwise dissolve your compound then put it in a vial and nuke the shit out of it. If not then use a 10 micron wheel filter IIRC. Personally I never went ahead with dissolving my ketamine crystal because I could not find wheel filters in my local area. It was only later that I found a domestic website that had them.
I know there are enough people who do without them but I'd want wheel filters. Regardless I won't be IMing anything and if I will at one point it will be the sterile liquid ketamine vial there is still waiting for me.

Just one nitpick
It is a .22 micron filter which will render your solution 'sterile.' It will filter out bacteria, microbes, and even some (but NOT all) viruses.

.10, pretty sure, does not exist.

10 micron filters are apparently something for cars.

Anyhoo. .22 filters are kind of a pain in the ass to use, feels like your filtering syringe is going to explode. I tried using one once with some powdered K and lost quite a bit of product in the process. It did not seem like a realistic approach to filtering drugs for injection.

 

[amanitadine]

^^^^ It is very realistic and doable, but the wheel filter is gonna hold up some of the solution so you wanna "flush" it with another .5 - 1 cc of saline to get all of your goods out. There are tricks to make it easier, especially if you have alot of insolubles (re: pills or cuts)....always hold it inverted so the solids sink, and use a smaller diameter plunger/syringe so you have less surface area. It is a bitch for one shot but I will prepare say, a gram of K or MXE at a time if I have the filters. There is a bit of pressure built up but it shouldn't feel like it is going to "explode"...just go slowly and flush.