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The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 2nd Dissociation

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PS: To whomever it was that found watching "British folk" being chased by sheep in Black Sheep to be both confusing and hilarious on MXE... it's somewhat less confusing if you can tell the difference between a British film and accent and a New Zealand one. Black Sheep is the latter rather than the former in both cases but a top film nonetheless. In true New Zealander Bad Taste tradition so thanks for the reminder - you may have missed the region by a good hemisphere or so but reminded me to watch it anyhow :D;)<3
 
mxe is a different thing, but I personally prefer it to k (which i do like); this is more toward the PCx end of things (it is ketone Methoxieticyclidine after all), but without the lingering bodyload. This feels more like a 'trip' to me with more 'heart' somehow (ymmv - as proven by above posters who felt the opposite to me). Always a bit futile trying to be objective about the subjective though (but we have to try or just become trappist or something...)

Before giving more praise i should say - this is a serious substance kids! - usual psychedelic precautions should be taken (set/setting etc) - as well as the usual RC precautions (do your research; get milligram scales (0.001); allergy test; start small etc.)

I haven't really 'holed' on this yet, but in my higher doses (~70mg insufflated) have got into some fairly delusional states which i suppose could be called 'manic' (grasping at concepts that would unlock secrets of the universe and such like) - i find this manic bit stays with me for the peak (2-3 hours), and then as i slide into the euphoric afterglow i can quickly giggle at my grandisoity (i feel the effects for about 4-6 more hours before i can sleep).

i don't like the word mania as it implies negativity, whereas this 'mania' can be really positive if harnessed (i suppose this 'mania' is just stimulated dissociation in itself); I find that preparing something to do/read/listen to/watch beforehand can be a good idea to harness this energy (though reading is problematic).

However (as with k), i generally prefer to do this after a night on something else serotonergic (releaser and/or agonist) - on it's own i find it a bit less inspiring (though still cool)

@nanoshot - i agree about the music - i like music on k, but i generally don't understand it (there always seems to be too much time between the beats); on this stuff i retain much more rhythmic awareness (due to dopamine i guess) - this has lead to some amazing trips into the music itself.
 
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mxe is a different thing, but I personally prefer it to k (which i do like); this is more toward the PCx end of things (it is ketone Methoxieticyclidine after all), but without the lingering bodyload. This feels more like a 'trip' to me with more 'heart' somehow (ymmv - as proven by above posters who felt the opposite to me). Always a bit futile trying to be objective about the subjective though (but we have to try or just become trappist or something...)

Before giving more praise i should say - this is a serious substance kids! - usual psychedelic precautions should be taken (set/setting etc) - as well as the usual RC precautions (do your research; get milligram scales (0.001); allergy test; start small etc.)

I haven't really 'holed' on this yet, but in my higher doses (~70mg insufflated) have got into some fairly delusional states which i suppose could be called 'manic' (grasping at concepts that would unlock secrets of the universe and such like) - i find this manic bit stays with me for the peak (2-3 hours), and then as i slide into the euphoric afterglow i can quickly giggle at my grandisoity (i feel the effects for about 4-6 more hours before i can sleep).

i don't like the word mania as it implies negativity, whereas this 'mania' can be really positive if harnessed (i suppose this 'mania' is just stimulated dissociation in itself); I find that preparing something to do/read/listen to/watch beforehand can be a good idea to harness this energy (though reading is problematic).

However (as with k), i generally prefer to do this after a night on something else serotonergic (releaser and/or agonist) - on it's own i find it a bit less inspiring (though still cool)

@nanoshot - i agree about the music - i like music on k, but i generally don't understand it (there always seems to be too much time between the beats); on this stuff i retain much more rhythmic awareness (due to dopamine i guess) - this has lead to some amazing trips into the music itself.


^^ This is pretty much everything I get from this chemical too. There is magic and true meaning in that 'mania', but then again it's hard to be sure.<3
 
does anyone know what the likely metabolites of mxe are. its just that i have a dvla medical in march including blood and urine analysis to get my license back. is it possible that mxe could give a positive test for ketamine as their structually similar ??
 
is it me or am I finding a common thread through these reports (and my experience as well):

MXE makes you do house work.

(I ended up cleaning my bathroom)

:insert suitable smiley in your minds eye wherever you feel is appropriate:
 
After waiting too long since New Year for a decent dose, I dived in at 80mg sub-lingual last night and it really knocked me for six. I used alcohol-based mouthwash before dosing (deliberately), I suspect this helped absorption a lot.

I went truly off my rocker. I lay down on my bed and become a free-floating consciousness before following a loop involving me at some point opening my eyes to look around my room.

Each time the room was a slightly different version of my actual room. By turns small then spacious, plastic and uncomfortable then grand and luxurious. The quality of my bed sheets changed.

After deciding I was happy with my room I would try to sit up; this became a struggle against paralysis. My breathing seemed very difficult and I was scared I was falling into unconsciousness. I breathed deliberately, deeply and quickly to rouse myself, while trying to co-ordinate my body. I managed to get up each time. I have no real idea how often I went through this cycle, it seemed like dozens of times but may have been only two or three times.

Once up, I would make my way somewhere. Mostly I remember going to the toilet. Walking was bizarre, my feet felt like skin and bones and moving my body was like moving a scarecrow I inhabited. My flat was very strange and unfamiliar. My reflection appeared like a generic, ugly animal face. No recognisable form, just two eyes, a nose and a mouth on a face. I don't remember doing anything productive in the toilet. Mostly I was just very confused.

At times in this cycle, while back in bed, I became other people and took on their personalities. I lost any idea of who I was as a person, what a human was. I was quite upset to have to be a human, the body seemed a terribly ungainly, ugly and useless thing. I seem to remember being other things but can't quite recall what.

As I was becoming human again, I had that feeling of having "really done it this time". I was convinced I'd gone into permanent lunatic status and didn't know how I was going to live in the real world. I had just enough lucidity to tell that I was deranged and for it to be a bit worrying. This passed though, fortunately, and I am no longer deranged!

I probably remember only half of what happened, maybe less. It was definitely entertaining and next time I go to this level perhaps I'll feel a bit more prepared.

The stimulation - I dosed at about 6.30pm last night and was still awake at around 3am. Long lasting! I thought I would be OK dosing at that time. So I forgot to set my alarm and was late for work! Fool.

Today - I felt a bit out of it until this afternoon. Not in a very bad way, I've been fairly chipper really, but clumsy and a bit scatter brained. It's a shame but I think this is only any use if you are not doing anything the next day.

I am confused about the paralysis and laboured breathing. I've not noticed this before on MXE. I have very little experience with ketamine and haven't noticed it on that either. Is it dangerous? Am I right to have fought it or should I have let myself "slip into unconsciousness"?


Edit: Yes and I did housework, I ironed four shirts in record time at the start of the trip, and once back and capable I washed dishes, unfortunately this involved smashing a perfectly good cafetière, deliberately, for no good reason!
 
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ketamine definitely does not cause respiratory depression, that's why ambulances carry it as an anaesthetic for major accident treatments, adding respiratory depression into the mix could well be fatal.
 
does anyone know what the likely metabolites of mxe are. its just that i have a dvla medical in march including blood and urine analysis to get my license back. is it possible that mxe could give a positive test for ketamine as their structually similar ??

Shouldn't do, ketamine will hang onto the chlorine for dear life, mxe doesn't have it at all.
If they even test for ketamine that is.
 
does anyone know what the likely metabolites of mxe are. its just that i have a dvla medical in march including blood and urine analysis to get my license back. is it possible that mxe could give a positive test for ketamine as their structually similar ??

presumably you know the date of the medical, why not just abstain for a couple of weeks beforehand? to be on the safe side.

if you know you are having a drugs test at a particular date and still manage to fail it it is pretty dopey really.
 
The respiratory depression might been that mu receptor activty?

I thought that hypothesis had been shown to be mistaken and any mu activity was either non-existent or very minimal at most? Definitely doesn't feel like there is any opioid activity to me - subjectively at least - but thought the idea had been thoroughly debunked by folks that know about such things a while back? Perhaps memory fails though...

FWIW, I have certainly never noticed any respiratory depression even at high (200mg+ IM) doses.
 
50 mg oral amt wait to just before peaking then rail 50 mg then wait 3 hours then rail another 50 mgs MXE. good idea?

at a party situation just looking to trance the fuck out infront of the rig :D
 
50 mg oral amt wait to just before peaking then rail 50 mg then wait 3 hours then rail another 50 mgs MXE. good idea?

at a party situation just looking to trance the fuck out infront of the rig :D

I did this today for the first time. aMT + MXE = hellafuntimes! Just be aware that you will not be able to focus or see anything. Everything will become a blurry, swirly mess.
 
yeah, true, but i mean even if there is the slightest amount maybe someone prone to it might expreience it more?
 
yeah, true, but i mean even if there is the slightest amount maybe someone prone to it might expreience it more?

If it makes any difference I did have two pints of beer an hour or so before taking the MXE. But it seems unlikely.

I don't think I'm prone to significant respiratory problems but I am sometimes a bit wheezy, I smoked for 15 years (stopped for 5) and suspect I might be slightly asthmatic or maybe allergic to something. While I was experiencing this, rising up from my prone position in bed was like some leviathan arising from the murky depths of the sea, physically and mentally. If that makes any sense. I might as well have been moving through tar. Once I had arisen, breathing was normal, although other stuff was decidedly not, but that's to be expected.
 
I would suspect it was probably psychosomatic myself. Have experienced a similar "moving through tar" sensation myself many times on both MXE and ketamine. Never had any respiratory depression but could quite see how it could be interpreted that way.
 
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