The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine Thread - 2nd Dissociation

[scotty5591]

I IMed 70mg of this stuff last night and had to change my mind about what I thought about it. I still find it cold and clinical, less tactile, and less visual than ket, but my goodness, my poor ego... I had an amazing experience on it last night, but I don't remember much of anything...or how I came back to my body... I was fully cognizant at the time, but that retrograde amnesia is a bitch.

I'm still not sure I'll buy it again. I'm down to probably my last shot and I'd much rather have ketamine.

I seem to find it the opposite of cold and clinical, but id have to agree with you on the visual aspect, i have gotten pretty much zero CEV's off it unless your holing on it.

 

[nanoshot]

taken a week break from MXE as i had been using daily. hopefully my tolerance will have dropped. i have been taking 5 htp all week as i have been feeling mildly depressed due to family illness. but i want a good comfortable m hole tonight. nothing overwhelming. thinking 60 mg plugged (with hopefully reduced tolerance) but the reason i'm posting is because i'm preloading with 100 mg 5 htp 2 hours before hand to see the difference (if any) it makes. will be posting a proper trip report up after the experience ,you know when i can write

keeping a pint of cider 2.1 units of alcohol near by incase of any extreme mania. i know from experience not good with 5 htp or MXE. but its for emergency if the mania gets too much. (i am very experienced with mania and have Neuro Linguistic Programming training and can deal with any situation logically and sensibly but the mania pushes that logical side out my nostrils )

anyway i shall report back later after hopefully a visual, euphoric, sensual mind fuck

Can you explain on the alcohol to control the mania? I've never hear of that. If you didn't want the mania but wanted an effect from the MXE, how much would you drink beforehand to presvent it as I don't know what 2.1 units is.

 

[hamhurricane]

Last night 60mg was ingested in an attempt to reach the M-hole. It took longer than expected to come on and the psychedelic effects lagged at least 20 minutes behind the euphoriant dissociative effects. I lay in bed reading Raymond Carver stories and laughing because they all seem to be a caricature of his signature style. Everything started to take on a strong cinematic quality and I suddenly felt enveloped by a curtain of warm glittering insecticide a la The Incredible Shrinking Man. With this sensation came some of the strongest Brobdingnagian hallucinations I have every experienced, only paralleled by 750mg+ of DXM. My girlfriend looked enormous and seems to be flowing away from me as if her portion of the mattress were on a conveyer belt. In fact, everything was flowing, and because dissocatives seem to operate on these homonymic linguistic cues, everything seemed not only to be flowing but to be “flowing on floes”. There was a flowingness to each object in the room as if it were locked tightly into a precision machined drawer slide. I tried again to read, and was aggravated by the fact that I was seeing double and triple of most words on the page, in retrospect it seems ridiculous that I was attempting to read in the first place. Again I felt strong cinematic overtones as if I were the protagonist of the Time Enough at Last Twilight Zone episode and methoxetamine had broken my glasses...all this while still flowing across my mattress like a Maglev train.

In the closed eye visual landscape of ketamine I often find a preponderance of cool tones like greens and blues, with methoxetmine I find the mind screen to be painted with oranges browns and purples. In other words Ketamine is Fuji 35mm film and methoxetamine is Kodak.

I attempt to use the time constructively by listening to a hypnosis program and find that it is just as easy as with ketamine to leave my body. Also like ketamine, my trip is inextricably wound up with my professional and academic requirements and I find professors, editors, and writers I admire strung together in a web of creative supply and demand. All of the unfinished tasks that plague my conscious mind are represented as monstrous faces stacking upon one another in a giant totem pole of responsibility.

I find myself repeatedly asking my girlfriend if she knows what the Manhattan Project was, she keeps telling me “no” and I keep asking, appalled that she could be unaware of such an important piece of history, then asking follow-up questions like “but wait, you know who Richard Feynman is, right? But wait, you know who Enrico Fermi is, right?” When I try to explain who Richard Feynman is, all I can say is that he was a “fine man.” She seems stupefied by the drug and unable to speak whereas I’m more or less able to express my self in complete, albeit weird, sentences with some kind of confused dissociative syntax. We have a long “Ryan Trecartin moment” where I repeatedly caution her not to climb a ladder in my apartment. Although this is such a simple and obvious request, it still takes what feels like twenty minutes of conversation to establish my warning because I'm phrasing it in ways such as “please eschew ladder.” Anytime we are about to have sex I accuse her of being a “semen thief” or “sabotaging my testicles”. This chemical is more disorganized, hebephrenic, and physically-taxing then ketamine. Although it has felt almost completely different each of the three times I've tried it.

Three hours later as the effects wound down, everything looked as if it were coated with glittery purple plastic and I kept thinking that the anesthetic's aesthetic was "very Mattel" or "very Malibu Stacy." We then ate tortillas in the darkness while my roommate recounted a long story about almost having sex with Paz de la Huerta.

 

[Mercc96]

which ROA did you use? Cool report by the way :D

 

[Aleph]

I tested another batch to 25mg, which considers a low dose and I am in the m-hole. I am very sensitive to the psychedelic but still amazing and powerful molecule.

 

[Farfath666]

Last night 60mg was ingested in an attempt to reach the M-hole. It took longer than expected to come on and the psychedelic effects lagged at least 20 minutes behind the euphoriant dissociative effects. I lay in bed reading Raymond Carver stories and laughing because they all seem to be a caricature of his signature style. Everything started to take on a strong cinematic quality and I suddenly felt enveloped by a curtain of warm glittering insecticide a la The Incredible Shrinking Man. With this sensation came some of the strongest Brobdingnagian hallucinations I have every experienced, only paralleled by 750mg+ of DXM. My girlfriend looked enormous and seems to be flowing away from me as if her portion of the mattress were on a conveyer belt. In fact, everything was flowing, and because dissocatives seem to operate on these homonymic linguistic cues, everything seemed not only to be flowing but to be “flowing on floes”. There was a flowingness to each object in the room as if it were locked tightly into a precision machined drawer slide. I tried again to read, and was aggravated by the fact that I was seeing double and triple of most words on the page, in retrospect it seems ridiculous that I was attempting to read in the first place. Again I felt strong cinematic overtones as if I were the protagonist of the Time Enough at Last Twilight Zone episode and methoxetamine had broken my glasses...all this while still flowing across my mattress like a Maglev train.

In the closed eye visual landscape of ketamine I often find a preponderance of cool tones like greens and blues, with methoxetmine I find the mind screen to be painted with oranges browns and purples. In other words Ketamine is Fuji 35mm film and methoxetamine is Kodak.

I attempt to use the time constructively by listening to a hypnosis program and find that it is just as easy as with ketamine to leave my body. Also like ketamine, my trip is inextricably wound up with my professional and academic requirements and I find professors, editors, and writers I admire strung together in a web of creative supply and demand. All of the unfinished tasks that plague my conscious mind are represented as monstrous faces stacking upon one another in a giant totem pole of responsibility.

I find myself repeatedly asking my girlfriend if she knows what the Manhattan Project was, she keeps telling me “no” and I keep asking, appalled that she could be unaware of such an important piece of history, then asking follow-up questions like “but wait, you know who Richard Feynman is, right? But wait, you know who Enrico Fermi is, right?” When I try to explain who Richard Feynman is, all I can say is that he was a “fine man.” She seems stupefied by the drug and unable to speak whereas I’m more or less able to express my self in complete, albeit weird, sentences with some kind of confused dissociative syntax. We have a long “Ryan Trecartin moment” where I repeatedly caution her not to climb a ladder in my apartment. Although this is such a simple and obvious request, it still takes what feels like twenty minutes of conversation to establish my warning because I'm phrasing it in ways such as “please eschew ladder.” Anytime we are about to have sex I accuse her of being a “semen thief” or “sabotaging my testicles”. This chemical is more disorganized, hebephrenic, and physically-taxing then ketamine. Although it has felt almost completely different each of the three times I've tried it.

Three hours later as the effects wound down, everything looked as if it were coated with glittery purple plastic and I kept thinking that the anesthetic's aesthetic was "very Mattel" or "very Malibu Stacy." We then ate tortillas in the darkness while my roommate recounted a long story about almost having sex with Paz de la Huerta.

Please tell me this is isn't real. If so, hands down best ironic trip report ever.

 

[sidthesloth]

Can you explain on the alcohol to control the mania? I've never hear of that. If you didn't want the mania but wanted an effect from the MXE, how much would you drink beforehand to presvent it as I don't know what 2.1 units is.

2.1 units is like a pint of lager. i just use it if i feel i'm loosing control, because alcohol is a sedative. i just find chugging a pint quicker than necking a few valiums to calm me down. i dont do it before hand cuz it does take away the visual side that i want. just calms me down when i'm going manic. but prety much destroys the experience (i just hate too much mania)

btw 5 htp 100 mg pre load. much more visual. much more opiate glow. eradicates insomnia.
buy some this is a great supplement not just for mdma comedowns/preload works well to make all mindfucks better.

i found myself communicating with a curled up midget who was swirling as a wall paper pattern in my mind. his name was derren. (i had just been watching derren brown) he was hilarious.

i watched the rest of the derren brown programme during the afterglow and it was like a child watching a magic show

 

[mirrorlake]

I've repeat-dosed basically since having gotten a batch, for the last few days straight, and noticed no buildup of mania of any sort.

Have "M-Holed" once (well, twice, once while I stayed awake through and can mostly remember) which was much like a K-Hole minus anything visionary or interesting, and with only faint visuals. The most memorable part of it was finding myself in one "room" where an old-tyme string band was playing a song along the lines of "Methoxetamine, it's the crap version of Ketamine. Don't you wish you had some Ketamine?" sort of in a childish way.

In the M-Hole I asked about God and all the other bits of consciousness there laughed, as if to say you took the wrong trip if that's what you're looking for. I tried playing various music but it was all too distracting to be dissociated along with, so I resumed silence. Operating my computer while fully dissociated was no problem, as I could easily snap in and out of it. This was on probably ~100mg MXE infufflated (spread out in 3 doses relatively close together). I also smoked some cannabis which just about doubled the effects and did get my heart racing but not too badly and with no anxiety, after the cannabis was consumed some psychological trippy effects began to manifest, which were almost completely devoid of with MXE alone even at this higher dose.

A very neutral and sterile state of being. Almost devoid of Euphoria or any depth or insight. DXM actually blows it away in that department, except that MXE has a remarkably light body load and can even be felt less on the body than Ketamine. Too bad that is a very nice feeling with Ketamine that MXE lacks.

MXE does not feel even in the slightest like an opioid to me. It feels just like a weaker and fuzzier version of the fluid and awesome Ketamine buzz.

A very sterile, generic type of experience. Leaves me with a weak afterglow.

Shall finish off my sample on ~10 - ~ 15mg bumps to see if it makes day-to-day activity any more interesting. As the higher degrees of dissociation are fairly boring and the M-Hole is a mockery of the beautiful K-Hole.

 

[lilbeatch]

is it normal to get loads of random pains from this? i kept getting pains in my back, sides and arms while i was taking it over the last 2 days, but not sure if it actually caused the pain. the last few weeks has been pretty much a giant 2-dpmp and vodka binge with very little sleep or food (always took vitamin tablets with my food though) so thought perhaps the pains were from the stupidity of that, but it seems to be not long after taking methoxetamine that it happens so just wondering if anyone else gets that too?
time for me to take a long break either way i think =P

 

[davez]

is it normal to get loads of random pains from this? i kept getting pains in my back, sides and arms while i was taking it over the last 2 days, but not sure if it actually caused the pain. the last few weeks has been pretty much a giant 2-dpmp and vodka binge with very little sleep or food (always took vitamin tablets with my food though) so thought perhaps the pains were from the stupidity of that, but it seems to be not long after taking methoxetamine that it happens so just wondering if anyone else gets that too?
time for me to take a long break either way i think =P

I got that but i put it down to the stupid fucking dancing I do when I'm on it.

 

[sidthesloth]

I've repeat-dosed basically since having gotten a batch, for the last few days straight, and noticed no buildup of mania of any sort.

Have "M-Holed" once (well, twice, once while I stayed awake through and can mostly remember) which was much like a K-Hole minus anything visionary or interesting, and with only faint visuals. The most memorable part of it was finding myself in one "room" where an old-tyme string band was playing a song along the lines of "Methoxetamine, it's the crap version of Ketamine. Don't you wish you had some Ketamine?" sort of in a childish way.

In the M-Hole I asked about God and all the other bits of consciousness there laughed, as if to say you took the wrong trip if that's what you're looking for. I tried playing various music but it was all too distracting to be dissociated along with, so I resumed silence. Operating my computer while fully dissociated was no problem, as I could easily snap in and out of it. This was on probably ~100mg MXE infufflated (spread out in 3 doses relatively close together). I also smoked some cannabis which just about doubled the effects and did get my heart racing but not too badly and with no anxiety, after the cannabis was consumed some psychological trippy effects began to manifest, which were almost completely devoid of with MXE alone even at this higher dose.

A very neutral and sterile state of being. Almost devoid of Euphoria or any depth or insight. DXM actually blows it away in that department, except that MXE has a remarkably light body load and can even be felt less on the body than Ketamine. Too bad that is a very nice feeling with Ketamine that MXE lacks.

MXE does not feel even in the slightest like an opioid to me. It feels just like a weaker and fuzzier version of the fluid and awesome Ketamine buzz.

A very sterile, generic type of experience. Leaves me with a weak afterglow.

Shall finish off my sample on ~10 - ~ 15mg bumps to see if it makes day-to-day activity any more interesting. As the higher degrees of dissociation are fairly boring and the M-Hole is a mockery of the beautiful K-Hole.

IM or plug. snorting is not as an effective ROA for this chemical. and also not eveyone experiences the same effects. some people like different things.

and dissociative freaks- mix this with ketamine. outstanding results.

 

[botfly]

What makes this stuff so appealing then? I've never liked the thought of ketamine, just numb monged out trippy wierdness is what I'm told? Can't get my head around it. Is it anything like amt? what do you do on it? just mong out and space out?

 

[Mercc96]

The appeal is the legality of it, plus you don't look like a wobbly mess, unless you dose too high. I use it mainly as an anti depressant or sometimes just something to pass the time at night. Have yet to use it in a social situation.

 

[mirrorlake]

About 1/4 as interesting as Ketamine.
About 1/3 as dissosciative as Ketamine.
About 1/10th as spiritual as Ketamine (or less).
Ketamine has a much better euphoria and body buzz... MXE is nearly transparent at lower doses and only starts to feel somewhat like K when combined with cannabis. (which causes the heart to race, but not anything worrysome)
Lasts twice as long as Ketamine.
Easier to appear sober than as if on Ketamine (because you are under the influence of less ineteresting effects)
Makes the heart beat faster than Ketamine, but not so much it's worrysome.

I'd say 100mg of MXE is equivilant to 200mg Ketamine if you are aiming for the "hole". Except the M-Hole will be probably relatively boring/generic and drawn out, compared to the awesome intergalactic K-Hole.

MXE is like Ketamine on training wheels. It should be drastically cheaper for it to be worthwhile. The plus is that it has very few bad side effects, and is tolerated very easily. It's just lacking in the magic altogether. DXM has more magic than this, with an unfortunately heavy body load.

Dissociative Tofu, right here.

 

[nanoshot]

About 1/4 as interesting as Ketamine.
About 1/3 as dissosciative as Ketamine.
About 1/10th as spiritual as Ketamine (or less).
Ketamine has a much better euphoria and body buzz... MXE is nearly transparent at lower doses and only starts to feel somewhat like K when combined with cannabis. (which causes the heart to race, but not anything worrysome)
Lasts twice as long as Ketamine.
Easier to appear sober than as if on Ketamine (because you are under the influence of less ineteresting effects)
Makes the heart beat faster than Ketamine, but not so much it's worrysome.

I'd say 100mg of MXE is equivilant to 200mg Ketamine if you are aiming for the "hole". Except the M-Hole will be probably relatively boring/generic and drawn out, compared to the awesome intergalactic K-Hole.

MXE is like Ketamine on training wheels. It should be drastically cheaper for it to be worthwhile. The plus is that it has very few bad side effects, and is tolerated very easily. It's just lacking in the magic altogether. DXM has more magic than this, with an unfortunately heavy body load.

Dissociative Tofu, right here.

I don't know man, maybe your MXE is cut with beach sand..haha.. 100mg of MXE in a needle into the muscle will light you up into total mass confusion. I couldn't handle 80mg in a needle and I start off my K sessions with about 180mg. While on MXE I dissassociated myself right back to living memorys and visions of when I was 4 yrs old growing up with my sister. Shit I never knew I had in my head. I think that when you take like 80mg of MXE (in a needled IM)without bezos, you skip over the beautiful CEV's and get right into total interplantery mass confusion. Once I learned how to calm the mass confusion down a bit with benzo's, the CEV's were identical to Ket's CEV's, only the music sounded better in my ears as if it was being spoon fed to me in my mouth and tasted every sweet piece of music playing. K kinda distorts music a bit, this stuff glosses it over and sweetens it up. I entered the M-Hole and had it all figured out about entering black holes and the beginnings of galaxays BEFORE I actually saw it on the science channel today. Thats crazy shit. Everything they were talking about on the TV about black holes and going in them, I had that exact vision in my trip 2 nights ago. MXE does increase your heart rate and blood pressure, I have the digital cuff and I kept checking my blood pressure throughout my trip and it was high, even with being on benzos. I actually got to sleep real fast by taking a .1mg Clonidine I have, to decrease blood pressure. I always wake up the next day after a lot of MXE with chapped lips. The next day after traveling on MXE is fantastic. Sex is 6 levels up and the afterglow/anti-depressant effetcs are magic. No, it's not K, but it's very interesting in it's own exploratory realm.

 

[PoppyLlama]

Anytime we are about to have sex I accuse her of being a “semen thief” or “sabotaging my testicles”.

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA



that made me laugh so fucking hard omg.

as for higher doses of MXE I find that it makes me think about super crazy things, I feel like the whole universe is just thousands of different realities melting together and converging directly on top of me. At the same time, my body feels like it's moving all over the rooms spinning and doing all sorts of crazy things. I really thought it was cool. There was way to much mental stimulation when I put a movie on though, music was exceptionally good but I ended up turning it off because during the peak I felt like it was controlling my body.

 

[Mercc96]

About 1/4 as interesting as Ketamine.
MXE is like Ketamine on training wheels. It should be drastically cheaper for it to be worthwhile. The plus is that it has very few bad side effects, and is tolerated very easily. It's just lacking in the magic altogether. DXM has more magic than this, with an unfortunately heavy body load.

I cannot disagree seeing as I have never taken ketamine, and wouldn't want to,seeing as i would be too worried about it being cut to shit. But I would say its horses for coarses. I personally prefer it over DXM, Dxm felt rather dirty. But yes, if it were cheaper I'd love it, i also have no ketamine hookups so yeah. I wouldn't right MXE right off.

 

[SpecialK_]

About 1/4 as interesting as Ketamine.
About 1/3 as dissosciative as Ketamine.
About 1/10th as spiritual as Ketamine (or less).
Ketamine has a much better euphoria and body buzz... MXE is nearly transparent at lower doses and only starts to feel somewhat like K when combined with cannabis. (which causes the heart to race, but not anything worrysome)
Lasts twice as long as Ketamine.
Easier to appear sober than as if on Ketamine (because you are under the influence of less ineteresting effects)
Makes the heart beat faster than Ketamine, but not so much it's worrysome.

I'd say 100mg of MXE is equivilant to 200mg Ketamine if you are aiming for the "hole". Except the M-Hole will be probably relatively boring/generic and drawn out, compared to the awesome intergalactic K-Hole.

MXE is like Ketamine on training wheels. It should be drastically cheaper for it to be worthwhile. The plus is that it has very few bad side effects, and is tolerated very easily. It's just lacking in the magic altogether. DXM has more magic than this, with an unfortunately heavy body load.

Dissociative Tofu, right here.

It's worth keeping in mind that it isn't ketamine. If you keep thinking of MXE this way you'll never enjoy it, although structurally similar, it's a different drug.

 

[ashxcore]

About 1/4 as interesting as Ketamine.
About 1/3 as dissosciative as Ketamine.
About 1/10th as spiritual as Ketamine (or less).

I agree, for the most part. I do not think I will be buying it again. It feels like dissociation by the numbers to me, but it did have some esoteric quality. It is just too expensive to justify. On top of that, I've been having random muscle spasms after three days of use, the last two being concurrent.

 

[Shambles]

Have missed a few pages so apologies for any repetition...

Recently researched a gramme to death and back. Conclusions: more potent than ket... but also weaker. Odd stuff.

IM'd up to around 250mg on top of fairly long and loose lines snorted and fairly large lomticks sublingualled. Overall effect = bit like ketamine only fluffier, more monged, less confused (in that schizoid ketasense, at least) and surprisingly stimulating. Have played with MXE before but not at such levels yet (1g over 24 hours or so). Described it elsewhere as being like pastel-coloured marshmallow ketamine and will be sticking with that for now. I it muchly. But is definitely more of a straight up and down party drug than ketamine itself is for me.