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Bluelighter
All the questions you have asked I address somewhere in my book, but in the meantime I can give you some rough answers. The opioid affinity is low if anything so don't worry about it creating WD symptoms. In my experience it had more of a potentiating/synergy effect than anything.Yesterday I tried MXE for first time. 39mg insufflated was quite inmersive, more than I was expecting. It rang a bell of my ketamine's experiences ages ago. I even reproduced my first experience to details I thought I had long forgotten.
I'm not a disociatives head. Only have wide experience with ketamine in low to moderate dosages. I never liked much ketamine as was quite nauseous most times. It's been ages since my last dose but I liked MXE more, a bit more deep, slower onset, longer duration and better general feeling. Though still quite confusing and blurry.
I'm not sure about the quality, in a few days I'll get the results. It might be that the not so good experience is due to that.
A few months ago I tried Mxp, it felt quite toxic but was kind of interesting, and most important dissipated my fears toward dissociatives ketamine induced.
One month ago I had some experiences with 3-meo-pcp (3, 5.5 and 8mg) and those were far better in my opinion. Just much more clearheaded and inspirating. So different from ketamine. So psychedelic kind of thinking. It really caught my interest and curiosity in dissos, so much I had to take a break. After reading so many stories of disso-adictions, huge tolerances, psy-wards and with my drugs abuse history...
I'm trying to start well and do it well since the beginning as I know once you get the wrong path you are left with the difficult decision of leaving the path completely or keep in the wrong one. I've got enough adictions and unrational uses already. Lost all benefits and magic from downers and uppers and feel impulsive towards them.
What I enjoyed in MXE was the relaxation post effect that allow you to drift into sleep. Its afterglow might be the best and most anti-depressant of the 3.
So all in all I was a bit dissapointed as I had very high expectations. My thoughts got too abstract to get anything I could take back to my sober life, at least in a concious way, though it crossed my mind that the therapeutic benefit could be very well unconcious.
Though didn't stop my curiosity and I'll continue my careful research into higher dosages. Probably this time I'll take sublingual as I heard is more effective. And insufflating is addictive by itself.
Is it known how long is the half life of that one?
How long should I wait between dosages to not create any kind of tolerance and be in the safe side? And with 3-meo-pcp (suppose much longer)?
Read a bit about the opiate affinity so I was wondering if this could trigger a WD from opioids. Sorry I cannot go through all the 17 threads.:D
And last but not least...How much should I take to get into a hole? and how scary could that be? I heard around here to some posters that high dissociatives dosages are somewhat easier to ride than midrange.
I feel like I'm playing away with dissociatives. It's a bit like travelling abroad as a child, to some distance country were nobody understands me and everything is weird. In psychedelic land I feel much more at home.
To get into a 'hole' is not an exact number due to individual response, tolerance, ROA, set/setting and the subjective definition of what a 'hole' is, but as a rough number, hole effects reveal at around 60ish mg when tolerance is still relatively low. It is easy to achieve when laying down or sitting in a peaceful state as the effects take hold with some really immersive textured music playing.
It is not unexpected that the first experience with MXE is underwhelming. The true potential tends to show after a few experiences for whatever reasons we can only guess, but the qualities of blurriness and confusion that you mention decrease as acquaintance with the experience increases. Also as you mentioned try a different ROA on the next experiments. Intranasal is the least dissociative of the ROAs but it is a good way to introduce the experience. Oral and sublingual are a good next step to increase immersion.
The time to wait between doses is also variable especially when other dissociatives like 3meo-pcp have been used, but there is a sweet spot in timing that is not too soon but also not too long in between doses. My best answer is to use your intuition. To build upon previous experience but not encounter too much tolerance I would answer as an average of about 3 or 4 days to get into an evolution of effects without burning it out. That average will ebb and flow as the relationship to the experience evolves, I.e. it may be more often during a honeymoon phase and then less often later to mitigate tolerance growth/maintain appreciation.
This was my experience.