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☛ Official ☚ The Big & Dandy Methoxetamine / MXE Thread - Part 17 - South-Kansas is going bye-bye

Yesterday I tried MXE for first time. 39mg insufflated was quite inmersive, more than I was expecting. It rang a bell of my ketamine's experiences ages ago. I even reproduced my first experience to details I thought I had long forgotten.

I'm not a disociatives head. Only have wide experience with ketamine in low to moderate dosages. I never liked much ketamine as was quite nauseous most times. It's been ages since my last dose but I liked MXE more, a bit more deep, slower onset, longer duration and better general feeling. Though still quite confusing and blurry.
I'm not sure about the quality, in a few days I'll get the results. It might be that the not so good experience is due to that.

A few months ago I tried Mxp, it felt quite toxic but was kind of interesting, and most important dissipated my fears toward dissociatives ketamine induced.
One month ago I had some experiences with 3-meo-pcp (3, 5.5 and 8mg) and those were far better in my opinion. Just much more clearheaded and inspirating. So different from ketamine. So psychedelic kind of thinking. It really caught my interest and curiosity in dissos, so much I had to take a break. After reading so many stories of disso-adictions, huge tolerances, psy-wards and with my drugs abuse history...
I'm trying to start well and do it well since the beginning as I know once you get the wrong path you are left with the difficult decision of leaving the path completely or keep in the wrong one. I've got enough adictions and unrational uses already. Lost all benefits and magic from downers and uppers and feel impulsive towards them.

What I enjoyed in MXE was the relaxation post effect that allow you to drift into sleep. Its afterglow might be the best and most anti-depressant of the 3.
So all in all I was a bit dissapointed as I had very high expectations. My thoughts got too abstract to get anything I could take back to my sober life, at least in a concious way, though it crossed my mind that the therapeutic benefit could be very well unconcious.

Though didn't stop my curiosity and I'll continue my careful research into higher dosages. Probably this time I'll take sublingual as I heard is more effective. And insufflating is addictive by itself.

Is it known how long is the half life of that one?
How long should I wait between dosages to not create any kind of tolerance and be in the safe side? And with 3-meo-pcp (suppose much longer)?

Read a bit about the opiate affinity so I was wondering if this could trigger a WD from opioids. Sorry I cannot go through all the 17 threads.:D

And last but not least...How much should I take to get into a hole? and how scary could that be? I heard around here to some posters that high dissociatives dosages are somewhat easier to ride than midrange.

I feel like I'm playing away with dissociatives. It's a bit like travelling abroad as a child, to some distance country were nobody understands me and everything is weird. In psychedelic land I feel much more at home.
All the questions you have asked I address somewhere in my book, but in the meantime I can give you some rough answers. The opioid affinity is low if anything so don't worry about it creating WD symptoms. In my experience it had more of a potentiating/synergy effect than anything.
To get into a 'hole' is not an exact number due to individual response, tolerance, ROA, set/setting and the subjective definition of what a 'hole' is, but as a rough number, hole effects reveal at around 60ish mg when tolerance is still relatively low. It is easy to achieve when laying down or sitting in a peaceful state as the effects take hold with some really immersive textured music playing.

It is not unexpected that the first experience with MXE is underwhelming. The true potential tends to show after a few experiences for whatever reasons we can only guess, but the qualities of blurriness and confusion that you mention decrease as acquaintance with the experience increases. Also as you mentioned try a different ROA on the next experiments. Intranasal is the least dissociative of the ROAs but it is a good way to introduce the experience. Oral and sublingual are a good next step to increase immersion.

The time to wait between doses is also variable especially when other dissociatives like 3meo-pcp have been used, but there is a sweet spot in timing that is not too soon but also not too long in between doses. My best answer is to use your intuition. To build upon previous experience but not encounter too much tolerance I would answer as an average of about 3 or 4 days to get into an evolution of effects without burning it out. That average will ebb and flow as the relationship to the experience evolves, I.e. it may be more often during a honeymoon phase and then less often later to mitigate tolerance growth/maintain appreciation.
This was my experience.
 
Thanks for your effort and time, very informative and helpful. So is your book for selling? or where can it be obtained?. I read you at some point before talking about it but didn't pay attention. I imagine it like a summary of the 17 threads plus even more info and with all pointless and repetitive post like mine cut out from it.;) Sounds good.

When I was asking about tolerance I was interested in the time interval between doses to not cause ANY kind of tolerance. Of course I understand I'll never be a virgin again however long the wait.:D I'll always loose some of the magic with familiarity but probably will keep intensity steady. Though I don't really know how dissociatives tolerance works, and for what I heard it can get kind of permanent after going past some limits.

I was thinking about a month in the case of 3-meo-pcp and maybe 2 weeks for MXE, just to be on the safe side. It might be a bit overkill physically but probably is the right discipline to not trigger psychological addiction in impulsive personalities ...But I'm just an ignorant guesser. Knowing the half lifes of both would help but I don't think that's known for certain.
I'm basing all my guesses in the little scientific fact that after once a week 3-meo-pcp in small doses for 3 consecutive weeks. I started to feel some strong psychological desire for the experience, and had to turn to other drugs to get around it.
 
I always feel very hypomanic the day after a large dose of MXE (around 100mg spaced into 4 25mg bumps 30mins apart from eachother or so usually).
I find this aspect really fascinating about MXE. It's one of the very few entheogens that consistently DOES NOT make you feel like crap the next day.
I partook of MXE last night after almost a year and a half break from it ( I've had it about 10 times over the last 3 years or so mostly at highish doses of 50-125mg nasally).
After last night's experience it dawned on me that on every single large dose (around 50+mg) I consistently feel as though I'm breaking through the underlying reality that we normally experience and it's like I'm experiencing something closer to divine or At least reality from a higher dimension. Often I feel at the peak as if the gods ( or some sort of higher intelligence) is smiling down at me in a sort for simply peering through this reality.
I know this all sounds crazy and once the majority of the peak ends I no longer feel this way but this always leads to some sort of positive realization about myself.
I find this extrordinary about this chemical above all others.
I should also point out that only do MXE very very sporadically (like a few times a year). And I always spend a lot of time trying to make sense of my MXE experience and integrate into my my life before attempting another trip.
But yeah, WOW just extrordinary stuff!
 
I always feel very hypomanic the day after a large dose of MXE (around 100mg spaced into 4 25mg bumps 30mins apart from eachother or so usually).
I find this aspect really fascinating about MXE. It's one of the very few entheogens that consistently DOES NOT make you feel like crap the next day.
I partook of MXE last night after almost a year and a half break from it ( I've had it about 10 times over the last 3 years or so mostly at highish doses of 50-125mg nasally).
After last night's experience it dawned on me that on every single large dose (around 50+mg) I consistently feel as though I'm breaking through the underlying reality that we normally experience and it's like I'm experiencing something closer to divine or At least reality from a higher dimension. Often I feel at the peak as if the gods ( or some sort of higher intelligence) is smiling down at me in a sort for simply peering through this reality.
I know this all sounds crazy and once the majority of the peak ends I no longer feel this way but this always leads to some sort of positive realization about myself.
I find this extrordinary about this chemical above all others.
I should also point out that only do MXE very very sporadically (like a few times a year). And I always spend a lot of time trying to make sense of my MXE experience and integrate into my my life before attempting another trip.
But yeah, WOW just extrordinary stuff!

My friend and I were discussing this yesterday. He (and many others) get that hypomanic effect the day following dissociatives (especially MXE). I myself have never one time gotten it. I get hypomanic ON dissociatives sometimes, which I love, but never the day after. I feel fine the day after, just not elevated above normal. I wonder why that is?
 
My friend and I were discussing this yesterday. He (and many others) get that hypomanic effect the day following dissociatives (especially MXE). I myself have never one time gotten it. I get hypomanic ON dissociatives sometimes, which I love, but never the day after. I feel fine the day after, just not elevated above normal. I wonder why that is?

Tolerance? I would get those effects the first times, but I stopped getting those feelings after a month of daily use ;P
 
Congratulations, Vortech... I have just started reading your book and I am impressed, it is a great guide to this unique substance that I have discovered recently and I am cautiously exploring.
 
No, still getting real MXE made freshly in Europe. Thing is, one moment I am fine and the next, after another line of course, I can't even talk. I think I have the answers I need, I think I need to develop more patience and wait a bit longer for it to work before ploughing in, I think I expect too much too quickly. I think a gramme should last a fair while, hope I can actually put in to practice what I preach. But I have had some fantastic psychedelic experiences at times though, almost LSD like visuals with swimming walls and some other peculiar hallucinations.
 
I had my second experience with MXE. This time I took it sublingualy, though I don't know how much was absorbed, probably half of it was oral. I took 43mg and the experience was much better than with 39mg insufflated. I think I'm done with insufflating this.
The general feeling was much better, the experience less blurry and I found it quite inspiring and emotional. Was expecting it to be stronger but wasn't. Just more clear and comfortable at the same level of intensity or maybe a bit less. Effects lasted longer and it wasn't so easy to fall sleep like first time. Strangely enough it left me quite depressed for a day. I felt a strong desire to repeat the experience though I managed to resist the urge in the last moment.

I analysed it and results show it's MXE and nothing else. It was purchased short ago, so it can be found right now at reasonable prices.
All in all I really like it. Much better than ketamine if you ask me, though I'm curious to see how ketamine would feel after this. It's up there with 3-meo-pcp for me.
 
My favorite ROA with MXE is sublingual by a long shot, it's like an oral dose that kicks in faster. I also prefer that with 3-meo-pcp, but it feels too caustic to be worth it. So far I've only snorted my 3-meo-pcp but the couple times I used the sublingual ROA, I really preferred it but it burns my mouth quite a bit.

I find the effect sublingual of MXE and 3-meo-pcp opposed to snorting to be way rounder, fuller, and provide more powerful centralized/thought-provoking effects with more serene visual claritty. Whereas snorting them gives me more of a stimmy, peripheral, visual noisy type effects.

I'll have to try 3-meo-pcp orally, it might be better for me than snorting, but the onset time might sway me back to snorting it.
 
Variance in effects with ROA with some drugs is fascinating!
I've found the one time l tried oral and plugged MXE to be feel very "anaesthetic" (numb all over) but I haven't tried sublingual yet...
Last night's experiment was a total disappointment, 125mg and no hole whereas 50mg a few weeks earlier had such stunning mental images as I was curled up in bed listening to Herbst9 (which I usually do on MXE because it's such otherworldly dark ambient- but maybe I should actually try listening to something with more structure when attempting to hole??)
By the last bump I was unusually still clear headed so I decided to curl up in bed and things just got ultra confused for several hours with no interesting headspace or psychedelia?!?
MXE is perplexing to say the least!!!
 
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Yeah the variance in effects I get from MXE is pretty staggering. Even from the same ROA, same dose, separated by sufficient time. What's more, when I take it with other people, we always seem to experience the same trip. One night it was really weird and uncomfortable for all of us, we were listening to music and it sounded so tinny and emotionless, whereas usually we all find it to enhance music.
 
MXE's a strange beast. Even with exceptional tolerance to NDMA antagonists, and using it exclusively IM at nearly the same doses every time, I still can get wildly varying trips every time. It's part of the reason I love it. In that sense, it can be a lot less dull than other NDMA antagonists....
 
^But then it's a real bummer when it doesn't produce the trip you were looking for. I feel like about 20% of my MXE trips end up a bit disappointing, and I hate that, since I have so little material left :(
 
To me though variance is the key! I rarely use NDMA antagonists anymore so it's not that big of a deal to me. Basically every time I do MXE it's like a new trip, whereas ketamine is more like the same ol' same ol'. The best is combining MXE with lysergamides/phenethlyamimes, or other NDMA antagonists... Some of my most memorable MXE excursions where coupled with DMT, nitrous, mescaline, LSD, 2C-B/etc.
 
Hmm. I've only ever tried MXE and nitrous in the NMDA category. Ketamine has never been available and I simply haven't gotten around to trying the others, and I'm not really interested much in finding out all about 2-meo-diphenidine, diphenidine and ephenidine.

Therefore, I cannot draw a comparison to the consistency or lack thereof of the others. I do agree however, that it seems like a different experience every time. There's more consistency to LSD these days for me even. It seems like the less I use MXE, the more strange the experience becomes hahah.
 
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